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  • peterpeter Toronto
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    MaxCasino wrote: »
    The Flash does have one of the best shots of all time in the genre, you know it when you see it. (Batman and Kara were in shot). Kara 'What did you do...'

    Batman and Supergirl were both the best things about The Flash. It’s a shame that neither Keaton or Calle aren’t going to reprise their roles (for now). In retrospect, it’s impossible for me to watch Ezra Miller in anything now. They need to be institutionalized. Not since Woody Allen or Charlie Sheen have I had this problem. That baby scene at the beginning of the movie should have been cut. It was also lazy to bring back Zod. It should have been a Flash villain. As for Andy Muschietti directing Batman Brave and the Bold, I could go either way. It is time for the Bat-family get some cinematic work done, as well as some new villains. Talia needs a more thought out storyline, and with Damian Wayne being in the movie, this should happen.

    💯 @MaxCasino . The only reason I saw The Flash was to see Keaton, and then I was pleasantly surprised by Supergirl. I thought she was intense, genuinely hurt/damaged (physically and emotionally), and she made one helluva superhero. I don’t think I have seen Calle in anything before, or since, but I was mightily impressed by her.

    And I did find the idea that Zod as the villain a strange choice…
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    The designs look pretty good. Clayface is back to his Golden Age look, Catwoman to the Silver Age. Two Face's design by contrast is very modern. "Natalia Knight" is the alter ego of Nocturna.
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    Just-got-Crowley-sgd-Sophia Starr-photo.....she-was-gonna-marry-Penguin-in-s1

    htf-graph

    (clever-twist-in-that-episode.....not-a-usual-caper)
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    I want this.



    Zack Snyder is just as much to blame for the DCEU failing as much as the WB executives. He held back on a lot of things, just to prove his style.
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    To be fair to Snyder it seemed like he was talking from a creative stand point. Less ‘Batman shouldn’t as a character have a rule against killing’ but more ‘what would happen if that rule was broken’…

    But then again Snyder’s not the smartest filmmaker, and for someone who seems to be quite that big a comic fan, I’ve never gotten the impression he understands Batman as a character. And yeah, despite Batman’s flaws, the no killing thing is pretty important (Even Burton’s Batman, cool as it is, feels a bit hollow/makes Batman less interesting when he simply swears to kill Joker and… well, does it).
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    The only reason i kind of like Burton/schumacher’s batman killing his enemies it meant we werent going to keep getting the Joker….

    Of course with reboots etc we are still getting the joker more then i want (i dont care if Crazy quilt is the main villain of the batman part 2 i dont want the Joker)


    In some ways in looking at the comic book movie world I am thankful for Mclory because honestly it forced the writers and directors to be creative and not constantly rely on Blofeld… as someone who was i believe a producer on Highlander the series (as to why after 5 episodes they killed Kalas one of the best and most complex villains in the highlander universe) “ the villain can only escape justice so many times before your hero starts to look like a real idiot”
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    Risico007 wrote: »
    The only reason i kind of like Burton/schumacher’s batman killing his enemies it meant we werent going to keep getting the Joker….

    Of course with reboots etc we are still getting the joker more then i want (i dont care if Crazy quilt is the main villain of the batman part 2 i dont want the Joker)


    In some ways in looking at the comic book movie world I am thankful for Mclory because honestly it forced the writers and directors to be creative and not constantly rely on Blofeld… as someone who was i believe a producer on Highlander the series (as to why after 5 episodes they killed Kalas one of the best and most complex villains in the highlander universe) “ the villain can only escape justice so many times before your hero starts to look like a real idiot”

    The "problem" with Joker is that, if done right, he's hard to beat. Example: Plenty of colorful villains in TAS, yet Joker takes the stage during the second half of MOTP. And he's absolutely perfect in that film. Hamill's performance is almost legendary. I love Mad Hatter, Mr. Freeze, Clay-Face, ... but Joker is just that step above for many people.

    It makes sense, too, that filmmakers eventually return to Joker. He's the big one, best known to wider audiences. Of course, if they never show other villains, it's hard for those audiences to catch up with other cool villains. But I can imagine that it's hard to commit to a new Batman project and not eventually feel the need to dig up Joker.
  • edited March 8 Posts: 2,904
    The no-killing rule exists because in 1940 DC's editors realized their clientele was primarily children, so Batman lightened up from being a dark pulp-derived character. And by the time he went back to his roots in the early 70s it was clear that if Batman treated his foes the way Dick Tracy did he'd have no recurring villains. Getting rid of the Joker by the end of the first film was the right decision--it cleared the way for other supervillains, Nicholson would have been too expensive to bring back, and the '89 Batman was at heart the story of two freaks who create each other, clash over control of the city, and fight to the death.
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    Personally, I don’t understand all the fiery debate regarding whether Batman should kill or not. In both comics and on screen, we’ve had different versions, and I see nothing wrong with keeping it that way. Burton’s Batman was emphasized to be nearly or just as crazy as the bad guys, and the killing never felt weird or out of place to me in those movies. Just as well, I like Nolan’s Batman having his own additional moral code. Both are interesting directions in their own ways.
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    FoxRox wrote: »
    Personally, I don’t understand all the fiery debate regarding whether Batman should kill or not. In both comics and on screen, we’ve had different versions, and I see nothing wrong with keeping it that way. Burton’s Batman was emphasized to be nearly or just as crazy as the bad guys, and the killing never felt weird or out of place to me in those movies. Just as well, I like Nolan’s Batman having his own additional moral code. Both are interesting directions in their own ways.

    Not killing IS what makes the Batman different. If you want a character that kills, 007 is a great alternative.
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    Different from who? None of DC's major superheroes kill, not in the comics anyway.
    And during his first year of existence Batman killed multiple times yet was still recognizably Batman--and arguably closer in tone and spirit to the modern Batman than the kid-friendly, no-killing character he became after 1940. One profound difference between Batman and 007 is that one spent three decades as kiddie fare while the other was meant from the start for adults.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    Risico007 wrote: »
    The only reason i kind of like Burton/schumacher’s batman killing his enemies it meant we werent going to keep getting the Joker….

    Of course with reboots etc we are still getting the joker more then i want (i dont care if Crazy quilt is the main villain of the batman part 2 i dont want the Joker)


    In some ways in looking at the comic book movie world I am thankful for Mclory because honestly it forced the writers and directors to be creative and not constantly rely on Blofeld… as someone who was i believe a producer on Highlander the series (as to why after 5 episodes they killed Kalas one of the best and most complex villains in the highlander universe) “ the villain can only escape justice so many times before your hero starts to look like a real idiot”

    I agree. Lex Luthor and General Zod are arguably why Superman is unpopular in cinema. Penguin is getting close to Joker in terms of overuse.
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
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    Oscars 2024: How Batman defeated both Arnold Schwarzenegger and Danny DeVito

    This was awesome.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    Oscars 2024: How Batman defeated both Arnold Schwarzenegger and Danny DeVito

    This was awesome.

    Yes it was.



    Keaton does deserve to comeback as Batman in something better than The Flash. Too bad Batgirl won’t be released.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    Delicious! DeVito is doing a Penguin thing here the way Frank Reynolds would. :-D
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    Oscars 2024: How Batman defeated both Arnold Schwarzenegger and Danny DeVito

    This was awesome.

    I just hope George Clooney doesn’t say anything. He’s too predictable.
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
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    I have watched this 20 times, in hysterics at Keaton's reaction pure gold.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    I have watched this 20 times, in hysterics at Keaton's reaction pure gold.

    I was worried he'd walk on stage, punch Arnold in the face and scream something about not talking about his acting.

    What? Too soon?
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    DarthDimi wrote: »
    I have watched this 20 times, in hysterics at Keaton's reaction pure gold.

    I was worried he'd walk on stage, punch Arnold in the face and scream something about not talking about his acting.

    What? Too soon?

    I’d see George Clooney doing that before Keaton. George never shuts up about being Batman. You’d think The Flash would bring closure him.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    I honestly think that Clooney could still be a good "old" Batman in a live-action adaptation of The Dark Knight Returns.
  • SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ Lekki, Lagos, Nigeria
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    DarthDimi wrote: »
    I honestly think that Clooney could still be a good "old" Batman in a live-action adaptation of The Dark Knight Returns.

    I do too. He really does look and sound the part. Fine, Batman & Robin was too outlandish and too playful, but Clooney's performance was cool.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    DarthDimi wrote: »
    I honestly think that Clooney could still be a good "old" Batman in a live-action adaptation of The Dark Knight Returns.

    I do too. He really does look and sound the part. Fine, Batman & Robin was too outlandish and too playful, but Clooney's performance was cool.

    He does deserve a third chance at playing Batman. If TDKR does get made, I would still take Keaton over Clooney. Clooney is a bit one note as an actor for me. Also, seems like he’d still joke about B & R more than he should.
  • SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ Lekki, Lagos, Nigeria
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    MaxCasino wrote: »
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    I honestly think that Clooney could still be a good "old" Batman in a live-action adaptation of The Dark Knight Returns.

    I do too. He really does look and sound the part. Fine, Batman & Robin was too outlandish and too playful, but Clooney's performance was cool.

    He does deserve a third chance at playing Batman. If TDKR does get made, I would still take Keaton over Clooney. Clooney is a bit one note as an actor for me. Also, seems like he’d still joke about B & R more than he should.

    Yeah, Clooney has joked about B & R too many times.
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    MaxCasino wrote: »
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    I honestly think that Clooney could still be a good "old" Batman in a live-action adaptation of The Dark Knight Returns.

    I do too. He really does look and sound the part. Fine, Batman & Robin was too outlandish and too playful, but Clooney's performance was cool.

    He does deserve a third chance at playing Batman. If TDKR does get made, I would still take Keaton over Clooney. Clooney is a bit one note as an actor for me. Also, seems like he’d still joke about B & R more than he should.

    Agreed.

    I've sincerely enjoyed Clooney only once: OUT OF SIGHT.

    Otherwise I find him one note, and his head always shakes like he has Parkinson's (I'm not being facetious or purposefully disrespectful, but in most films I want to grab his head and hold it still (same with the grin that often rises for no reason).

    I'd give both my my pinkie fingers to see Keaton given an old-man Batman standalone....
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
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    I loved Clooney in THE AMERICAN.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Out of Sight is wonderful and he's terrific in it. Michael Clayton is excellent too. I think he's very good. He did used to wobble his head a lot though- I used to be pleased the bat mask was so solid it stopped him from doing it :)
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    I kind of sympathise with Clooney constantly joking about Batman and Robin. It’s one of those bizarre disasters of a film that you only get every so often. And it kinda temporarily killed the Batman film franchise.

    Not my favourite actor, but I can see why he’s had the career he’s had. He’s just one of those actors who personifies a ‘movie star’, I guess in a similar way that someone like Cary Grant did back in his day.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    Clooney was not the problem with Batman and Robin; in the right film he would have been a very effective caped crusader.

    It’s been a while since I’ve seen it but I remember his scenes with an ailing Alfred being very touching.
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