Rank your continuation Bond authors.

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  • edited October 2013 Posts: 802
    1. Fleming (sorry OO7InVT but if you write fourteen, you are a continuation writer).
    2, Higson (Young Bond shows that he is the clear spiritual descendant of Fleming and if
    IFP had a brain between them they'd have made him the adult Bond continuation
    author before the Faukes debacle).
    3. Amis writing as Markham (yes, Colonel Son is the best adult continuation novel thus
    fare).
    4. Samantha Weinberg writing as Kate Westbrook (how could any self respecting Bond
    aficionado possibly overlook the fabulous Moneypenny Diaries?)
    5. John Gardner ( for his first five).
    6. John Pearson (The Authorised Biography is a worthy contribution).
    7. John Gardner ( for his last eleven).
    8. Christopher Wood (Fleming would have cringed).
    9. Raymond Benson (illiterate Americana nonsense).
    10.Faulkes (literate but complete and utter balderdash - IFP MD should have been fired).
    11.Deaver (from the idiots that got you Faulkes - unbelievable).
    12.Boyd (from the idiots who brought you Faulkes & Deaver - hopefully this is the final
    act of the "Celebrity Trilogy Disaster".

    With the exception of 1-5, the others are for the read and laugh file!
  • 007InVT007InVT Classified
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    I gotta get me some 'Colonel Son'.

    Who would be your choice for continuation authors after Boyd?
  • edited May 2013 Posts: 388
    Villiers53 wrote:
    1. Fleming (sorry OO7InVT but if you write fourteen, you are a continuation writer).
    2, Higson (Young Bond shows that he is the clear spiritual descendant of Fleming and if
    IFP had a brain between them they'd have made him the adult Bond continuation
    author before the Faukes debacle).
    3. Amis writing as Markham (yes, Colonel Son is the best adult continuation novel thus
    fare).
    4. Samantha Weinberg writing as Kate Westbrook (how could any self respecting Bond
    aficionado possibly overlook the fabulous Moneypenny Diaries?)
    5. John Gardner ( for his first five).
    6. John Pearson (The Authorised Biography is a worthy contribution).
    7. John Gardner ( for his last eleven).
    8. Christopher Wood (Fleming would have cringed).
    9. Raymond Benson (illiterate Americana nonsense).
    10.Faulkes (literate but complete and utter balderdash - IFP MD should have been fired).
    11.Deaver (from the idiots that got you Faulkes - unbelievable).

    Now my friends, we have everything resting on the shoulders of a certain Mr. William Boyd and after the Faulkes/Deaver fiasco, boy do we need a bullseye!
    I think it's odd to count Fleming as a "continuation" author as surely the term refers to the continuation of Fleming's series?

    I wouldn't place Christopher Wood nearly so low. His prose is the closest to Fleming's out of the lot. He's hamstrung by the plots as his books are adaptations of the film scripts (scripts he wrote - but for an entirely different medium.)

    I didn't enjoy Faulks one bit (and I haven't read Deaver) but I'm afraid I'd put Benson at the very bottom of the pile - he's a big Bond fan and seems like a lovely chap but he shouldn't be allowed anywhere near a word processor. I've read more evocative prose on the back of cereal boxes.
  • 007InVT007InVT Classified
    edited May 2013 Posts: 893

    I think it's odd to count Fleming as a "continuation" author as surely the term refers to the continuation of Fleming's series?



    Well yes, that's what I thought/meant.

  • Posts: 802
    007InVT wrote:

    I think it's odd to count Fleming as a "continuation" author as surely the term refers to the continuation of Fleming's series?



    Well yes, that's what I thought/meant.
    007InVT wrote:

    Aficionados, not to split hairs but as this is a literary thread, I would respectfully request that we look up the word "continuation" and I do believe the subject is one James Bond?


  • Posts: 802
    007InVT wrote:
    I gotta get me some 'Colonel Son'.

    Who would be your choice for continuation authors after Boyd?

    Oh yes you must!
    As for my choice for the next author, in my not so humble opinion, it should be one Charlie Higson. He has shown through his young Bond franchise that he completely understands James and has animated his youth in a way that undoubtably has Fleming smiling in his grave!
    He has produced great stories that uphold the tradition whilst working with the limitations of reduced violence (albeit sometimes you wouldn't think it) and no sex. His Bond interpretation is simply fantastic and let loose on the adult franchise, I think he would do for 007 what Andrew Horowitz did for Sherlock Holmes - bring both critical and commercial success!
    Failing the best solution, we could have either Daniel Silva or Charlie Cumming. Both of whom are great, but quite different, espionage writers.
    Non of this will, of course, happen because IFP are completely out to lunch when it comes to this subject. Put simply, Bond deserves a better manager!

  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    I'm wondering if the level of disdain for Faulks has softened over time or not.
    I'll be reading his one next.

    My ranking so far from what I HAVE completely read is:
    1. Amis (so freakin' serious!)
    2. Wood (got the voice absolutely right)

  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
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    chrisisall wrote:
    I'm wondering if the level of disdain for Faulks has softened over time or not.
    I'll be reading his one next.

    In a word - no it f*****g hasn't.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    In a word - no it f*****g hasn't.

    That's like 9 words or something...
  • Has anyone read Solo yet? I'm curious to see where Boyd sits in everyone's rankings
  • saunderssaunders Living in a world of avarice and deceit
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    Just finished the rather disappointing Solo, so here's my updated list.


    1. Christopher Woods
    2. Kingsley Amis
    3. Charlie Higson
    4. Sebastian Faulks
    5. John Gardner
    6. William Boyd
    7. Jeffrey Deaver
    8. Raymond Benson (spit!)



  • It's really that terrible? Good thing I haven't bought it yet..Well maybe there is hope yet for the new Young Bond book... But the way the last authors have come out idk if ill be expecting much

    1.Amis
    2.Woods
    3.Higson
    4. Pearson
  • saunderssaunders Living in a world of avarice and deceit
    edited October 2013 Posts: 987
    Solo isn't a complete disaster but having recently read and being bowled over by Boyd's 'Any Human Heart' I was expecting so much more. Like you @Donnyt93 I'm beginning to lose faith in Ian Fleming publications ability to select and approve the right authors and novels, there doesn't seem to be the quality control in regard to the new novels anymore, not like the days when poor Geoffrey Jenkins attempt was crushed before it even hit the printing press. Could the problem be that by picking the big name, media friendly, authors they are unable to then properly dictate what standard of work they will deem acceptable?
  • 1. Ian Fleming
    2. William Boyd (So Far 2/3rds in SOLO)
    3. Charlie Higson
    4. Jeffery Deaver
    5. Raymond Benson
    6. Sebastian Faulks "Writing as Ian Fleming" >:I
  • @saunders that is exactly what I think! Another big problem I think they've been creating for themselves is they keep jumping from author to author! Maybe give Boyd a chance to redeem himself, or give Deaver a chance, a modern Bond is a cool concept but it does take work.... Obviously..
  • edited October 2013 Posts: 2,598
    1. John Pearson (leaving out Fleming who is number 1 :) as this is about continuation authors)

    2. Charlie Higson

    3. John Gardner

    4. Christopher Wood

    5. Kingsley Amis (actually it's difficult to arrive at a decision as to who's best out of Amis and Wood)

    6. William Boyd (if Boyd had have served up a more solid plot then I would have ranked him higher)

    7. Raymond Benson

    8. Sebastian Faulks (it's also hard to define as to who's the best out of Faulks and Deaver. Deaver wrote a better story but at the same time his Bond is almost unrecognisable. With regards to Faulks, it's the other way around. Faulks is easily a far better writer than Benson but his book was just so damn lacklustre that I have to rank him below Benson)

    9. Jeffrey Deaver

    I haven't included Weinberg and her simply fantastic Penny Diaries as they aren't actually Bond novels. I think that she would do a wonderful job in writing an adult Bond book though.
  • My list:

    1. Jeffery Deaver (Carte Blanche)

    The writing in Carte Blanche was much better than Fleming's. The setting in the 21st century, the Afghanistan hardened Bond, the ODG (Overseas Development Group) and the recurring characters (M, Leiter, Moneypenny, Indian version of Q) as well as the locations (London, Dubai, South Africa) added to the sense that this is 21st century Bond. Get Michael Fassbender as the new Bond and bring this to the screen with Sam Mendes directing. Best Bond novel ever, and needs to spawn four or five sequels.

    2. Ian Fleming (Casino Royale (1953) - 007 in New York (1963)

    The man who created Bond. His writing outdoes the rest, as well as his genius sense of plot, which has been overshadowed by the successful film franchise. The original, yet not the best.

    3. William Boyd (SOLO)

    The latest Bond thriller released in 2013, although does not have the fast-paced, real-life sense that Carte Blanche has, is a brilliant finale to the Bond franchise created in 1953. 1969. Veteran agent. Licence to kill. Bond goes solo after a horrifying experience in Africa.
    A bit too bland, but another necessary entry with Bond in a dirty mission to end a civil war in Africa. No Bentley, no glamorous locations, just James Bond, agent 007, with his licence to kill, Walther PPK, Jensen FF Interceptor and Mustang Mach 1.

  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    saunders wrote:
    4. Sebastian Faulks

    I'll see if I like his work as much as you do- I just got DMC in the post.
  • Posts: 5
    saunders wrote:
    It's generally agreed that Fleming's novels are the best, but who do you prefer out of the continuation novelists? Do you think Kingsley Amis is brilliant? Is Christopher Wood the greatest? Is John Gardner the very best? Is Sebastian Faulks just outstanding? Is Charlie Higson really amazing? Is Raymond Benson (spit!) not completley sh*t? Well here is the discussion thread to list your rankings for all to see!

    <B>saunders rankings</B>

    1. Ian Fleming
    2. Sebastian Faulks
    3. Christopher Woods
    4. Kingsley Amis
    5. John Gardner
    6. Charlie Higson
    7. Raymond Benson (spit!)


    Well Fleming was first so he isn't a continuation author. Here is my list (of the ones I have read at any rate,)

    1. JOHN GARDNER
    2. SEBASTIAN FAULKS
    3. WILLIAM BOYD
    4. CHRISTOPHER WOOD
    5. JOHN PEARSON ( As I consider the AUTOBIOGRAPHY OF JAMES BOND a continuation novel in its own right.)
    6. Kingsley Amis (Robert Markham)
    7. Jeffrey Deaver.

    I have yet to read the Young Bond novels or The Moneypenny diaries.

    Randy
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
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    RWIG45 wrote:
    saunders wrote:
    It's generally agreed that Fleming's novels are the best, but who do you prefer out of the continuation novelists? Do you think Kingsley Amis is brilliant? Is Christopher Wood the greatest? Is John Gardner the very best? Is Sebastian Faulks just outstanding? Is Charlie Higson really amazing? Is Raymond Benson (spit!) not completley sh*t? Well here is the discussion thread to list your rankings for all to see!

    <B>saunders rankings</B>

    1. Ian Fleming
    2. Sebastian Faulks
    3. Christopher Woods
    4. Kingsley Amis
    5. John Gardner
    6. Charlie Higson
    7. Raymond Benson (spit!)


    Well Fleming was first so he isn't a continuation author. Here is my list (of the ones I have read at any rate,)

    1. JOHN GARDNER
    2. SEBASTIAN FAULKS
    3. WILLIAM BOYD
    4. CHRISTOPHER WOOD
    5. JOHN PEARSON ( As I consider the AUTOBIOGRAPHY OF JAMES BOND a continuation novel in its own right.)
    6. Kingsley Amis (Robert Markham)
    7. Jeffrey Deaver.

    I have yet to read the Young Bond novels or The Moneypenny diaries.

    Randy

    It's refreshing to see John Gardner first where he should be!
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
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    Dragonpol wrote:
    RWIG45 wrote:
    saunders wrote:
    It's generally agreed that Fleming's novels are the best, but who do you prefer out of the continuation novelists? Do you think Kingsley Amis is brilliant? Is Christopher Wood the greatest? Is John Gardner the very best? Is Sebastian Faulks just outstanding? Is Charlie Higson really amazing? Is Raymond Benson (spit!) not completley sh*t? Well here is the discussion thread to list your rankings for all to see!

    <B>saunders rankings</B>

    1. Ian Fleming
    2. Sebastian Faulks
    3. Christopher Woods
    4. Kingsley Amis
    5. John Gardner
    6. Charlie Higson
    7. Raymond Benson (spit!)


    Well Fleming was first so he isn't a continuation author. Here is my list (of the ones I have read at any rate,)

    1. JOHN GARDNER
    2. SEBASTIAN FAULKS
    3. WILLIAM BOYD
    4. CHRISTOPHER WOOD
    5. JOHN PEARSON ( As I consider the AUTOBIOGRAPHY OF JAMES BOND a continuation novel in its own right.)
    6. Kingsley Amis (Robert Markham)
    7. Jeffrey Deaver.

    I have yet to read the Young Bond novels or The Moneypenny diaries.

    Randy

    It's refreshing to see John Gardner first where he should be!

    Although Faulks 2nd so go easy with the praise there Draggers.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    Although Faulks 2nd so go easy with the praise there Draggers.
    I'm on chapter three of DMC, and so far, I'm liking it.
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
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    chrisisall wrote:
    Although Faulks 2nd so go easy with the praise there Draggers.
    I'm on chapter three of DMC, and so far, I'm liking it.

    Good for you. Some people like murdering prostitutes or hammering nails into their helmets - it doesn't make it right now does it?
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    chrisisall wrote:
    Although Faulks 2nd so go easy with the praise there Draggers.
    I'm on chapter three of DMC, and so far, I'm liking it.

    Good for you.
    Thanks. We'll see how I like it when I'm done.
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
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    Dragonpol wrote:
    RWIG45 wrote:
    saunders wrote:
    It's generally agreed that Fleming's novels are the best, but who do you prefer out of the continuation novelists? Do you think Kingsley Amis is brilliant? Is Christopher Wood the greatest? Is John Gardner the very best? Is Sebastian Faulks just outstanding? Is Charlie Higson really amazing? Is Raymond Benson (spit!) not completley sh*t? Well here is the discussion thread to list your rankings for all to see!

    <B>saunders rankings</B>

    1. Ian Fleming
    2. Sebastian Faulks
    3. Christopher Woods
    4. Kingsley Amis
    5. John Gardner
    6. Charlie Higson
    7. Raymond Benson (spit!)


    Well Fleming was first so he isn't a continuation author. Here is my list (of the ones I have read at any rate,)

    1. JOHN GARDNER
    2. SEBASTIAN FAULKS
    3. WILLIAM BOYD
    4. CHRISTOPHER WOOD
    5. JOHN PEARSON ( As I consider the AUTOBIOGRAPHY OF JAMES BOND a continuation novel in its own right.)
    6. Kingsley Amis (Robert Markham)
    7. Jeffrey Deaver.

    I have yet to read the Young Bond novels or The Moneypenny diaries.

    Randy

    It's refreshing to see John Gardner first where he should be!

    Although Faulks 2nd so go easy with the praise there Draggers.

    Yes, you are of course right. I have come to bury Faulks not to praise him.
  • I just finished reading TB. I really liked it actually, my favourite book in the series. Now I've just started reading DMC. Opens with a bang and keeps getting better. It's very Fleming and very 007.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    Of those I have read.
    1 Fleming
    2 Wood (James Bond and The Spy Who Loved Me)
    3 Lawrence (not books, but still)
    4 Gardner (the first three, then I gave up)

    I have been wanting to read CS for a long time, will buy it if I find it.
  • Posts: 1,407
    I'm very surprised to see the dislike for the Benson novels. I'm biased as I've met him several times (we live in the same town) and have talked Bond with him and have gained a much greater respect for his take on Bond. Yes it's more mainstream but I can't deny they are entertaining reads. They were perfect books for the times. High Time to Kill and Never Dream of Dying are fantastic in my opinion. What he did with old characters was bold and interesting. I urge people to give him another try if you're looking for a fast easy entertaining read from somebody who clearly loves Bond.

    Fleming
    Amis
    Benson
    Gardner (can't deny he wrote some great ones along with a lot of crap)
    Wood
    Deaver
    Boyd
    Faulks
  • Posts: 267
    1.Higson for his brilliantly imagined YB franchise.
    2.Kingsley Amis - CS is up there with Fleming's best.
    3.John Gardner - first five are good - avoid the rest.
    4.Samantha Weinberg - for the brilliant MP diaries.
    5.John Pearson - interesting idea from Fleming's biographer.
    Avoid the rest, they are all complete balderdash and represent the labotomised decisions of Gildrose/IFP. Monies derived from these tragedies should be refunded to loyal Bond fans!
  • KronsteenKronsteen Stockholm
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    1. John Gardner
    I've always been a fan. I like that he's not trying to be Fleming and really makes Bond his own, but strangely enough still familiar (unlike Deaver lower on the list). His adventures are often a strange mix of down-to-earth and over-the-top, and sometimes I don't know why, but I love it. For me he's mainly on top of this list because of Licence Renewed, Icebreaker, Scorpius, Win Lose or Die, Seafire and (my favourite!)) Death is Forever.

    2. Charlie Higson
    A bleak first entry and a rather dull exit, but the middle three is explosive stuff! Why this man hasn't written an "adult" 007-entry is staggering.

    3. Kingsley Amis
    Colonel Suns ending is a let-down, but Amis really manage to captured the essance of Flemings writing, and is still to this day the only author to have nailed it in that aspect.

    4. Raymond Benson
    His writing were never his strong suit; what he should have done is to write scripts for the EON films. But the plots and characters are often engaging, while the stories never really worked out satisfyingly enough. Doubleshot is a hell of a good ride; The Facts of Death pretty unbearable; and the rest good, enjoyable reads.

    5. William Boyd
    Here's a good author, with a nice sense of phrase and choice of words. Sadly enough, his sense of plotting is... absent. Altough the book isn't well though out (which is an understatement, it isn't thought out at all) it's still a smooth, enjoyable read with a great setting in Zanzarim.

    6. Jeffrey Deaver
    A nice, driven plot with engaging characters and interesting locations. Sadly enough it doesn't contain the usual characters. I don't recognize them at all. M doesn't feel like M Moneypenny doesn't act like Moneypenny, Leiter is strange and how the devil did Mathis end up in this story? And above all, who is this strange fellow calling himself James Bond?

    7. Sebastian Faulks
    Finally someone who can write as Fleming! Oh wait... he can't. This is truly the worst of the lot, and probably the only Bond novel to receive the rating 1/5 from me. It is unbearable in every sense of the word. If it wasn't about 2 nice chapters, this would probably end up on a 0/5. Avoid.
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