SPECTRE Production Timeline

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  • Posts: 7,561
    I liked Red Sky at Night it had a certain je ne sais quoi about it.

    I do hope for an actual legit title rumor soon but lord knows I have to wait a while for that
  • Posts: 1,778
    I defiantly think its time we get a classic Bond film for Bond 24. With a stand alone mission, gadgets, M briefing, Moneypenny flirting, Q briefing, gun barrel in the beginning, and this time Bond gets the girl in the end and she is not killed
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    fjdinardo wrote:
    I defiantly think its time we get a classic Bond film for Bond 24. With a stand alone mission, gadgets, M briefing, Moneypenny flirting, Q briefing, gun barrel in the beginning, and this time Bond gets the girl in the end and she is not killed
    So skyfall good glad we got that out of the way.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    @Risico007, I could be misconstruing what you're saying, but that isn't SF at all: it's not a standalone mission, it's Bond trying to save M, the most we got for "gadgets" was a radio, M didn't really brief him, he came back knowing what he had to do, he was flirting with Eve, not the traditional MP flirting, the Q briefing was there, albeit not the traditional briefing, there was no gun barrel in the beginning, and Bond doesn't get the girl in the end. Did we watch the same film?
  • http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/video/hollywood-exceptions-ep-4-naomie-652398

    I think this is the first official confirmation from Naomie that she will be back
  • edited November 2013 Posts: 7,561
    http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/video/hollywood-exceptions-ep-4-naomie-652398

    I think this is the first official confirmation from Naomie that she will be back

    this was kind of expected though considering her charater's last name I believe Harris Fiennes and Craig have contracts through Bond 25

    http://skymovies.sky.com/blofeld-potentially-back-in-the-bond-series

    I think we should edit the title of this as now the big rumor is Blofeld will be the villain for Bond 24
  • edited November 2013 Posts: 5,745
    I've updated the opening timeline and title to include the recent news of the McClory rights finally being obtained by Eon.

    The title is now "Blofeld Isn't Coming Back.. Yet" for a few reasons:

    1. Eon has spent half a billion dollars setting up Quantum just between two films. Don't expect that to fade into nothing.
    2. Assuming Bond 26 is another 'Bond re-boot' with a new actor, Eon only has two films to logistically use Blofeld without confusing everyone down the road.
    3. The past is the past. SPECTRE and Blofeld made the early films classics. Eon secured the rights to protect those films from another Never Say Never Again incident. It's to protect the classics, not to try to stretch them out. Move on.


    I will say I would love to see Blofeld written into a timeline-sequel to Solo.
  • JWESTBROOK wrote:
    I've updated the opening timeline and title to include the recent news of the McClory rights finally being obtained by Eon.

    The title is now "Blofeld Isn't Coming Back.. Yet" for a few reasons:

    1. Eon has spent half a billion dollars setting up Quantum just between two films. Don't expect that to fade into nothing.
    2. John Logan started conceptualizing Bond 24 all the way back to post-production on Skyfall - long before Eon could have known the rights would definitively be acquired.
    3. Assuming Bond 26 is another 'Bond re-boot' with a new actor, Eon only has two films to logistically use Blofeld without confusing everyone down the road.
    4. The past is the past. SPECTRE and Blofeld made the early films classics. Eon secured the rights to protect those films from another Never Say Never Again incident. It's to protect the classics, not to try to stretch them out. Move on.


    I will say I would love to see Blofeld written into a timeline-sequel to Solo.

    Let me slightly correct your bullit points :-). Michael G. Wilson himself said already back in October 2012 -quoted from SFX Magazine- that they -EON- have acquired the rights of 'Blofeld' and 'SPECTRE':
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    If he says this already back in October 2012, then there was most likely quite a process during the entire year of 2012 to actually obtain those rights from the McGlory heirs.

    Then last week, November 15th, extra 'news' arrives that the actual 'Bond Battle' has been 'officially' ended. Two other official entities -owners of the Bond franchise- make it public that they acquired the rights to Kevin McGlory's characters, namely EON's mother company Danjaq. LLC and movie company MGM.

    My conclusion: If Barbara Broccoli and Michael G. Wilson still follow 'Cubby's' footsteps by saying that "Bond doesn't need Blofeld", then why trying for at least two years to actually win back the rights over 'Blofeld' and 'SPECTRE' back?? Because they most likely will use crime syndicate QUANTUM, its possible successor SPECTRE and the character Ernst Stavro Blofeld for at least a longer storyline written by John Logan or even an entire trilogy: Bond 24, Bond 25 and even Bond 26.

    That's my logical conclusion really. I do agree with you however that the new title is perfectly suitable for the recent news ;-).
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 It was this or the priesthood.
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    Maybe EON want the rights so that nobody makes another film with Blofeld in it a la NSNA?
  • Maybe EON want the rights so that nobody makes another film with Blofeld in it a la NSNA?

    You really believe that? One of the reasons that a 2nd NSNA was never made, is quite easy to explain. Kevin McGlory himself needed more than just Blofeld and SPECTRE. He very well saw that a 2nd NSNA -or with any other title- could work only if legal rights of using Bond, the gunbarrel and the James Bond theme, would have been allowed to him for that occassion only. A remake of a remake is lame and has a chance of becoming a flop alltogether. McGlory knew that very well.

    Nah, I also think that as soon as McGlory died in 2006, EON knew they would have a chance of solving this issue alltogether.
  • MurdockMurdock Mr. 2000
    edited November 2013 Posts: 15,967
    Maybe EON want the rights so that nobody makes another film with Blofeld in it a la NSNA?

    You really believe that? One of the reasons that a 2nd NSNA was never made, is quite easy to explain. Kevin McGlory himself needed more than just Blofeld and SPECTRE. He very well saw that a 2nd NSNA -or with any other title- could work only if legal rights of using Bond, the gunbarrel and the James Bond theme, would have been allowed to him for that occassion only. A remake of a remake is lame and has a chance of becoming a flop alltogether. McGlory knew that very well.

    Nah, I also think that as soon as McGlory died in 2006, EON knew they would have a chance of solving this issue alltogether.

    It's a good chance that's part of the reason. Think about it. EoN not having those right would leave many people open to getting them. Like Quentin Tarantino. since he never got to Film Casino Royale like he desperately wanted, he could have tried getting the rights to Thunderball since Technically those are the rights EON just got back.
  • Posts: 1,778
    IMO I dont think Blofeld, Spectre, or Quantum will be in bond 24
  • Murdock wrote:
    Maybe EON want the rights so that nobody makes another film with Blofeld in it a la NSNA?

    You really believe that? One of the reasons that a 2nd NSNA was never made, is quite easy to explain. Kevin McGlory himself needed more than just Blofeld and SPECTRE. He very well saw that a 2nd NSNA -or with any other title- could work only if legal rights of using Bond, the gunbarrel and the James Bond theme, would have been allowed to him for that occassion only. A remake of a remake is lame and has a chance of becoming a flop alltogether. McGlory knew that very well.

    Nah, I also think that as soon as McGlory died in 2006, EON knew they would have a chance of solving this issue alltogether.

    It's a good chance that's part of the reason. Think about it. EoN not having those right would leave many people open to getting them. Like Quentin Tarantino. since he never got to Film Casino Royale like he desperately wanted, he could have tried getting the rights to Thunderball since Technically those are the rights EON just got back.

    You are right on that one. So it could have been, like I said, quite a process of actually acquiring these rights ever since McGlory died in 2006.

    If that's the case, then another logical thing is actually doing something with this iconic character no?
  • MurdockMurdock Mr. 2000
    Posts: 15,967
    Murdock wrote:
    Maybe EON want the rights so that nobody makes another film with Blofeld in it a la NSNA?

    You really believe that? One of the reasons that a 2nd NSNA was never made, is quite easy to explain. Kevin McGlory himself needed more than just Blofeld and SPECTRE. He very well saw that a 2nd NSNA -or with any other title- could work only if legal rights of using Bond, the gunbarrel and the James Bond theme, would have been allowed to him for that occassion only. A remake of a remake is lame and has a chance of becoming a flop alltogether. McGlory knew that very well.

    Nah, I also think that as soon as McGlory died in 2006, EON knew they would have a chance of solving this issue alltogether.

    It's a good chance that's part of the reason. Think about it. EoN not having those right would leave many people open to getting them. Like Quentin Tarantino. since he never got to Film Casino Royale like he desperately wanted, he could have tried getting the rights to Thunderball since Technically those are the rights EON just got back.

    You are right on that one. So it could have been, like I said, quite a process of actually acquiring these rights ever since McGlory died in 2006.

    If that's the case, then another logical thing is actually doing something with this iconic character no?

    Well that's for EON to decide. not me.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    fjdinardo wrote:
    IMO I dont think Blofeld, Spectre, or Quantum will be in bond 24

    Why is that?
  • Creasy47 wrote:
    fjdinardo wrote:
    IMO I dont think Blofeld, Spectre, or Quantum will be in bond 24

    Why is that?

    I'm not @fjdinardo, but I don't they'll bring Blofeld back (nor do I want them to) for all the reasons enumerated. SPECTRE goes along with Blofeld, and, while Quantum is more probable (and I'd support that way more), the negative reception of QoS could steer them away from bringing them back for more films.

  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    @Soundofthesinners, I totally agree, I was just curious as to what his reasoning was.
  • Posts: 1,778
    Creasy47 wrote:
    fjdinardo wrote:
    IMO I dont think Blofeld, Spectre, or Quantum will be in bond 24

    Why is that?
    I dont have a reason its just my speculation
  • Posts: 1,778
    Creasy47 wrote:
    fjdinardo wrote:
    IMO I dont think Blofeld, Spectre, or Quantum will be in bond 24

    Why is that?

    I'm not @fjdinardo, but I don't they'll bring Blofeld back (nor do I want them to) for all the reasons enumerated. SPECTRE goes along with Blofeld, and, while Quantum is more probable (and I'd support that way more), the negative reception of QoS could steer them away from bringing them back for more films.

    i agree
  • Posts: 5,745
    @Gustav_Graves My list has been amended.

    Still, I feel I argue 3 extremely valid points.
  • Posts: 7,561
    JWESTBROOK wrote:
    I've updated the opening timeline and title to include the recent news of the McClory rights finally being obtained by Eon.

    The title is now "Blofeld Isn't Coming Back.. Yet" for a few reasons:

    1. Eon has spent half a billion dollars setting up Quantum just between two films. Don't expect that to fade into nothing.
    2. John Logan started conceptualizing Bond 24 all the way back to post-production on Skyfall - long before Eon could have known the rights would definitively be acquired.
    3. Assuming Bond 26 is another 'Bond re-boot' with a new actor, Eon only has two films to logistically use Blofeld without confusing everyone down the road.
    4. The past is the past. SPECTRE and Blofeld made the early films classics. Eon secured the rights to protect those films from another Never Say Never Again incident. It's to protect the classics, not to try to stretch them out. Move on.


    I will say I would love to see Blofeld written into a timeline-sequel to Solo.

    Let me slightly correct your bullit points :-). Michael G. Wilson himself said already back in October 2012 -quoted from SFX Magazine- that they -EON- have acquired the rights of 'Blofeld' and 'SPECTRE':
    10935591973_abc03c49f3_b.jpg
    10935323675_b796d29a55_o.jpg

    If he says this already back in October 2012, then there was most likely quite a process during the entire year of 2012 to actually obtain those rights from the McGlory heirs.

    Then last week, November 15th, extra 'news' arrives that the actual 'Bond Battle' has been 'officially' ended. Two other official entities -owners of the Bond franchise- make it public that they acquired the rights to Kevin McGlory's characters, namely EON's mother company Danjaq. LLC and movie company MGM.

    My conclusion: If Barbara Broccoli and Michael G. Wilson still follow 'Cubby's' footsteps by saying that "Bond doesn't need Blofeld", then why trying for at least two years to actually win back the rights over 'Blofeld' and 'SPECTRE' back?? Because they most likely will use crime syndicate QUANTUM, its possible successor SPECTRE and the character Ernst Stavro Blofeld for at least a longer storyline written by John Logan or even an entire trilogy: Bond 24, Bond 25 and even Bond 26.

    That's my logical conclusion really. I do agree with you however that the new title is perfectly suitable for the recent news ;-).

    You just posted why I think quantum will be back re read that quote he says he thinks "quantum is still out there" and that they "might come back for bond 24"
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    Bah, Blofeld doesn't have to lead Spectre. He could end up leading quantum. It's all about making palatable updates. Blofeld is essentially Bond's arch nemesis and I think Bond could do with having one, especially given the shadowy and mysterious quantum that are still active. I'm no fan of the idea of re-introducing villains in the series but much like Bond, Q, MP, Felix and even M; Blofeld is the only villain that could acceptably get away with it, especially now as, the series isn't dicking around and taking a far more sophisticated approach in trying to tell their stories but again, it all depends on how the character is conceptualised, written and executed on screen. If it works, I see no reason not to bring him back. Craig redefined the expectations of the Bond "look" we don't need to stick with old tropes and stereotypes for Blofeld either. Let's just get on with the show.
  • edited November 2013 Posts: 11,119
    I think it's solely a matter of taste to be honest. Taking into account realism, I still think SPECTRE operated way more effectively than QUANTUM. I don't know what it was, but to see operatives of this QUANTUM-thingie having a meeting during an opera is IMO quite insane. Prone for security breaks. I think QUANTUM wouldn't be a worthy dossier in the WikiLeaks archive. Or what about those China produced earpieces, which the QUANTUM members used to communicate with, designed into the letter 'Q'? For me QUANTUM also lacked any kind of fear. It wasn't that sinister for me. Perhaps because it was easily unmasked by 007? Perhaps Dominic Green was a boring villain? If you are a filantropist, then go all the way please! I.....I can't exactly put my finger on it.

    I can live with the name QUANTUM, but QUANTUM itself needs to be changed. They need to go completely underground. Perhaps they tantalisingly need to let MI6 know that QUANTUM is finished, dead, period! Then they can re-organize themselves. Change the organisation into a more structured syndicate with clear hierarchy. Something SPECTRE always did quite well.

    Also, realism is important. But don't try to make everything forcefully 'realistic'. QUANTUM or SPECTRE: Both syndicates are quite ludicrous, even for Fleming's standards. I just think SPECTRE was worked out way better than QUANTUM. SPECTRE basically streamlined and canalized FOUR important elements of criminal activities:

    -> Counter-intelligence
    -> Terrorism
    -> Revenge
    -> Extortion

    If Michael G. Wilson says that these elements are slightly outdated, then I disagree. Silva's actions in 'Skyfall' were clearly an action of revenge (an element of SPECTRE). Terrorism, well, we saw that in both 'Casino Royale' and 'Skyfall'. The attack on the jumbojet in Miami was clearly a terrorist attack to get more financial stability for QUANTUM. The terrorist attack on MI6 in 'Skyfall' had its roots in revenge (Silva). And then Extortion, well clearly Dominic Greene did that with General Medrano.

    You see, the elements of SPECTRE are still alive and kicking. I just hope the future crime syndicate Bond will be dealing with, will be:

    A) more secretive (meeting during an opera? Really...)
    B) better organized (it helps clarity among cinema visitors)
    C) having a better hierarchy (paves the way for a Blofeld-like villain)
    D) more threathening and sinister (do like Silva. Kill off a Bond-girl one or two)

    If then the name will be either SPECTRE or QUANTUM, I don't care that much (I can remember in the German dubbed Bond films, SPECTRE was renamed FANTOM (=Phantom). Idea?). I still think 'SPECTRE' sounds a bit more sinister though :-).

    Concerning Ernst Stavro Blofeld. Well, besides being a Bond fan, I'm also a proud fan of Ian Fleming. When we talk about making a Bond film more 'Fleming-esque', it doesn't always mean that the Bond films should become realistic in an almost exaggerated way.

    I think, if I read carefully between the lines of what posters in here are saying, that Bond 24 could have the more light-hearted influence of Ian Fleming, then why ignoring well-crafted characters....like Blofeld?? That's like saying "Goodbye Ian. You are dead now. We do it our own way". Ignoring Blofeld IMO is ignoring an entire universe full of well-crafted recurring characters like Bond, Leiter, Moneypenny, Q, Tanner, M and indeed...Blofeld! And trust me, Michael and Barbara have shown us how to update old Fleming plots ('Casino Royale') into today's modern-day society. I wanna bet they are eager to do this with Blofeld too. Also, be a bit more proud of Fleming's legacy and that Polish/Greek psychtic he created :-).
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    @Gustav_Graves, I believe you're mistaken: the 'Q' was merely a little pin, I believe (unless I'm totally mistaken). The ear pieces were just ear pieces. As for the opera meeting, I don't see the problem with that: meet at a very public place, easy to blend in, instead of some huge board room meeting where you're all in one very specific location that could be busted.
  • Creasy47 wrote:
    @Gustav_Graves, I believe you're mistaken: the 'Q' was merely a little pin, I believe (unless I'm totally mistaken). The ear pieces were just ear pieces. As for the opera meeting, I don't see the problem with that: meet at a very public place, easy to blend in, instead of some huge board room meeting where you're all in one very specific location that could be busted.

    The Q-pin is indeed an earpiece as well. Rewatch 'Quantum Of Solace'. The Q-earpieces even make this peculiar sound when they are activated in their ears.

    As for QUANTUM, I hope you agree with this though. It should be:
    A) more secretive (meeting during an opera? Really...)
    B) better organized (it helps clarity among cinema visitors)
    C) having a better hierarchy (paves the way for a Blofeld-like villain)
    D) more threathening and sinister (do like Silva. Kill off a Bond-girl one or two)

    For me QUANTUM would have already been more sinister, if a certain QUANTUM operative would have eliminated another QUANTUM operative. In a nasty kind of way. Perhaps during the opera scene.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
    edited November 2013 Posts: 32,869
    @Gustav_Graves, I was speaking of this lapel pin (shown halfway down the page, worn by Greene), I thought the earpiece was just a normal one:

    http://jamesbond.wikia.com/wiki/Quantum

    As for your input:

    A.) Sometimes the most obvious meeting place is the best. Who would suspect a massive terrorist organization would meet at a place such as an opera? It most certainly goes away from the traditional board room meeting locale.

    B.) I do agree. They threw a lot of members at us in QoS and it was tough trying to decipher who was who, who is higher up, etc.

    C.) I think that goes with B, mainly, so I agree.

    D.) While the plot in QoS isn't the most "threatening," it's obvious that QUANTUM doesn't prefer loose ends (White blows away Le Chiffre, albeit for the money, and they also kill Greene.)

    Greene's bodyguard (or whoever he is seen is) does kill the man who falls on the car, though I suppose they don't really know who is who and that they're technically working together.

    Their main goal seems to be merely financial gain. Even the terrorist acts they commit are for money, but then again, nearly every Bond villain's main scheme is for money in some way.
  • Posts: 1,778
    I said this in another fourm
    The only way I will be fine with Blofeld coming back is if they make a faithfull adaptation of the novel You Only Live Twice. Obvs dont call it YOLT give it a different name but use the plot of the book for the movie with a few name changes to characters
  • edited November 2013 Posts: 2,482
    Since they have established QUANTUM, I do think that they should be back for Bond 24 or/and Bond 25. They should appear in at least one more film. The other question is, should Quantum be destroyed by Daniel Craig's Bond and end with his error or could they continue QUANTUM with another actor playing Bond? I wouldn't mind the latter if they improve this organisation. Give them more menace. Inject them with more evil. I'd prefer it if they had headquarters inside a big rock or under water or something. Or if they want to go with more realism then just in a hidden section of a building as we see in Thunderball or on a boat like in FRWL. I do want that Fleming influence.

    I wouldn't be surprised if they made the leader of Quantum a lady (call the film 'Property of a Lady' :) ). Gardner's 'For Special Services' actually had Blofeld's daughter as the head of Spectre. She fooled Bond, pretending to be his ally. Bond didn't discover this until the end of the book. There should be someone who is clearly in charge. It doesn't have to be revealed into the end of the film though.

    In terms of SPECTRE, I have no problem with Eon bringing them back. As for Blofeld himself, unless they change his appearance (this can be done seeing we now have a complete reboot of the series) and get rid of the cat, I don't think that it would be a good idea to bring him back. The Austin Powers flicks have overplayed the image of this character and have turned him into just too much of a parody. This is presuming we even get to see the identity of the leader.
  • Uhm, we do forget one perfect incarnation of Blofeld if you ask me. An incarnation that was both realistic and timeless. And I almost didn't see any cliché Blofeld items, like the white cat.

    I am talking about Telly Savalas as Blofeld.
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    Uhm, we do forget one perfect incarnation of Blofeld if you ask me. An incarnation that was both realistic and timeless. And I almost didn't see any cliché Blofeld items, like the white cat.

    I am talking about Telly Savalas as Blofeld.

    Savalas was maybe the best flesh and blood incarnation of Blofeld (the best Blofeld IMO was Erich Pohlmann, but he had the luxury of just being a voice), that said he was not perfect. Not quite anyway. The definitive Blofeld has yet to be seen on the screen. And he will be one hell of a challenge to cast. Ten years ago I would have said Ciaran Hinds, now he is getting too old.
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