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  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    It’s really is disappointing that the Superman solo films have not really found their groove the way Batman has. Two fairly solid Reeve films and all the rest have been seriously problematic due to WB never knowing what to do with the property. It shouldn’t be that hard. And some Bond fans think THEIR franchise has been mishandled in recent years.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited March 2021 Posts: 14,861
    It’s really is disappointing that the Superman solo films have not really found their groove the way Batman has. Two fairly solid Reeve films and all the rest have been seriously problematic due to WB never knowing what to do with the property. It shouldn’t be that hard. And some Bond fans think THEIR franchise has been mishandled in recent years.

    Yes it seems like a parade of slightly strange producers keep getting hold of it and getting it stuck in the mud. I'd be happy with just a fairly solid, Marvel-style movie made with him.

    On a whim I decided to pop Batman '89 on tonight: I haven't watched in years, and it really is terrific. I'd kind of forgotten how good it is, but it just belts off at a great pace and really sweeps you along.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    mtm wrote: »
    It’s really is disappointing that the Superman solo films have not really found their groove the way Batman has. Two fairly solid Reeve films and all the rest have been seriously problematic due to WB never knowing what to do with the property. It shouldn’t be that hard. And some Bond fans think THEIR franchise has been mishandled in recent years.

    Yes it seems like a parade of slightly strange producers keep getting hold of it and getting it stuck in the mud. I'd be happy with just a fairly solid, Marvel-style movie made with him.

    On a whim I decided to pop Batman '89 on tonight: I haven't watched in years, and it really is terrific. I'd kind of forgotten how good it is, but it just belts off at a great pace and really sweeps you along.

    Superman has never recovered from Richard Donner and HIS crew leaving. Zack Snyder I knew was always going to be polarizing. My fears escalated when I realized General Zod and Kryptonians were the only villains he had planned. He moved Superman back as much as Bryan Singer did. One of the reasons I feel is lack of the use of the villains from his rouges gallery. It’s either Lex Luthor, General Zod and Kryptonians, a combination of the two in BvS’ Doomsday, or made up villains. That’s one thing that scares me about JJ Abrams being involved: his non-faithful script that was almost made, and still could be and a lack of villains not used before continued not to be used. Hey Warner Bros and DC: want to make Superman relevant again? Give him a new threat, based on his rich 80+ years comic book history.

  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    https://www.cbr.com/zack-snyder-reveals-batgirl-plans-justice-league-2-3/

    I think Zack Snyder thought that bigger would be better. I think someone else should have handled the DCEU.
    mtm wrote: »
    It’s really is disappointing that the Superman solo films have not really found their groove the way Batman has. Two fairly solid Reeve films and all the rest have been seriously problematic due to WB never knowing what to do with the property. It shouldn’t be that hard. And some Bond fans think THEIR franchise has been mishandled in recent years.

    Yes it seems like a parade of slightly strange producers keep getting hold of it and getting it stuck in the mud. I'd be happy with just a fairly solid, Marvel-style movie made with him.

    On a whim I decided to pop Batman '89 on tonight: I haven't watched in years, and it really is terrific. I'd kind of forgotten how good it is, but it just belts off at a great pace and really sweeps you along.

    As for Batman 89, it’s a rare movie that I like to have a copy of all the time. It works great as a standalone movie. I can’t wait for the comic book continuation this summer.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    Not surprising, he doesn’t have a cult fanbase like Snyder.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
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    Previous gripes about the score acknowledged, I did really like this cue.

  • GadgetManGadgetMan Lagos, Nigeria
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    Previous gripes about the score acknowledged, I did really like this cue.


    That's the spirit! :-bd @CraigMooreOHMSS I had faith you would notice something cool in the score :)>-
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
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    MaxCasino wrote: »

    Interesting, perhaps Helen will channel her turn as Morgan Le Fay, Helen was a great villain in Excalibur.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    MaxCasino wrote: »

    Interesting, perhaps Helen will channel her turn as Morgan Le Fay, Helen was a great villain in Excalibur.

    Actually, she could be Morgan Le Fay in Dr Strange. :p
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
    edited March 2021 Posts: 23,104
    INSANE DETAILS In Zack Snyder's Justice League I Noticed After Binge-Watching The DCEU | Easter Eggs SPOILERS

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    DarthDimi wrote: »
    MaxCasino wrote: »

    Interesting, perhaps Helen will channel her turn as Morgan Le Fay, Helen was a great villain in Excalibur.

    Actually, she could be Morgan Le Fay in Dr Strange. :p

    I would watch that, I like the incorporation of Mythical/folklore characters in DC and Marvel.

    I recall Wonder Woman and some of the Justice League coming up against Morgan Le Fay.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    INSANE DETAILS In Zack Snyder's Justice League I Noticed After Binge-Watching The DCEU | Easter Eggs SPOILERS

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    DarthDimi wrote: »
    MaxCasino wrote: »

    Interesting, perhaps Helen will channel her turn as Morgan Le Fay, Helen was a great villain in Excalibur.

    Actually, she could be Morgan Le Fay in Dr Strange. :p

    I would watch that, I like the incorporation of Mythical/folklore characters in DC and Marvel.

    I recall Wonder Woman and some of the Justice League coming up against Morgan Le Fay.

    I love that video. Some of those details are pretty cool to look for next time I watch the film.
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
    edited March 2021 Posts: 23,104
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    INSANE DETAILS In Zack Snyder's Justice League I Noticed After Binge-Watching The DCEU | Easter Eggs SPOILERS

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    DarthDimi wrote: »
    MaxCasino wrote: »

    Interesting, perhaps Helen will channel her turn as Morgan Le Fay, Helen was a great villain in Excalibur.

    Actually, she could be Morgan Le Fay in Dr Strange. :p

    I would watch that, I like the incorporation of Mythical/folklore characters in DC and Marvel.

    I recall Wonder Woman and some of the Justice League coming up against Morgan Le Fay.

    I love that video. Some of those details are pretty cool to look for next time I watch the film.

    I spotted a couple of details on intitial watch, I often feel Snyder does not get enough credit IMO he has made some great DC Elseworld films and he does know the DC universe despite what some say.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    DarthDimi wrote: »
    INSANE DETAILS In Zack Snyder's Justice League I Noticed After Binge-Watching The DCEU | Easter Eggs SPOILERS

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    DarthDimi wrote: »
    MaxCasino wrote: »

    Interesting, perhaps Helen will channel her turn as Morgan Le Fay, Helen was a great villain in Excalibur.

    Actually, she could be Morgan Le Fay in Dr Strange. :p

    I would watch that, I like the incorporation of Mythical/folklore characters in DC and Marvel.

    I recall Wonder Woman and some of the Justice League coming up against Morgan Le Fay.

    I love that video. Some of those details are pretty cool to look for next time I watch the film.

    I spotted a couple of details on intitial watch, I often feel Snyder does not get enough credit IMO he has made some great DC Elseworld films and he does know the DC universe despite what some say.

    I would love for them to do more Elseworld material. The Vampire trilogy comes to mind. Snyder could do that.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited March 2021 Posts: 14,861
    I did like the thing about tiny Mutants, that's nice. Very interesting about the baby basket replacement too.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    https://comicbook.com/dc/news/justice-league-joe-manganiello-ben-affleck-batman-movie-batgirl-vs-deathstroke-fight/

    I hope we get a comic book adaptation of Ben Affleck’s movie script. DC is going down the nostalgia route. I wish we could have seen Batgirl vs Deathstroke.

    I REALLY think that WB and DC has been thinking about putting Batgirl in a movie for a while now, longer than we think.
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    I REALLY think that WB and DC has been thinking about putting Batgirl in a movie for a while now, longer than we think.

    Yes, but which one ? Betty Kane, Barbara Gordon, Cassandra Cain or Stephanie Brown ?
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    I would have happily watched another Affleck Batman, especially if made by someone else.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
    edited March 2021 Posts: 4,050
    https://www.cbr.com/pierce-brosnan-black-adam-doctor-fate/

    PB’s long awaited comic book appearance!
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    I hope they snatch Daniel Craig after his Bond stint as well.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    I hope they snatch Daniel Craig after his Bond stint as well.

    I hope so too. I was thinking of Mr. Freeze (in a Joker style movie) or Brainiac.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    I think the only time he was offered a comic book role was Thor which he turned down.

    I always thought he would have made a good Green Arrow.
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
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    Great casting for a great character.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    I had a small discussion with a student of mine about the Snyder Cut. He was almost as pleased as I am with the result, except he felt that the narrative content didn't sustain its 4-hour running time. He agrees with me that Snyder had thrown in quite a bit of "fan service", which probably explains why I had 4 hours of pure fun while he suffered a few lapses of attention.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
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    Just goes to cement my initial reaction to it:

    It would have been a fitting approach for the scenes set on Themyscira, but it was a poor choice for the Wonder Woman scenes (she has a great theme, use more than the percussive elements of it for goodness sake!) and especially hilarious during the slo-mo sequences.

    That last edit choice in the video had me cackling.
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    Here's a useful round-up of critical reactions to the Snyder cut.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Oh my goodness that was giving me a headache after a while! It's so incredibly 90s, awful.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited March 2021 Posts: 14,861
    Revelator wrote: »
    Here's a useful round-up of critical reactions to the Snyder cut.

    That's quite a good article, and ends on an important note too. Too many fans thinking there's some sort of crazy anti-Snyder movement in the critical world meaning they attack anyone who disagrees, and before they'd even seen it! Apparently quite a bit was misogynistic too. Maybe pandering to this sort of fan movement isn't healthy.

    I thought this quote they picked out was very good too:
    “every scene is directed the same way, as though it were taking place on Mount Olympus,” and while the mythical grandeur the Snyder Cut is drenched in is an improvement on Whedon’s take, it also deprives the film of any small moment, which in turn “means that there’s no such thing as a big one.”

    That was my feeling too: it actually felt very flat to me because there's never a variation in tone- it's all portentous and the most important thing ever. No peaks and troughs, just a flatline of Important.
    The Flash scene in the doggy day care is about the closest it gets to letting off the gas, but it just felt weird to me, that scene. Miller's performance wasn't as funny as they thought it was.

    All of those scenes with Steppenwolf... all the same, not furthering the plot. Just redundant stuff.
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