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  • UnivexUnivex
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    Not the money thing again...
  • GetafixGetafix
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    Univex wrote:
    Getafix wrote:
    That said, Rachel is 40+ now and is looking a little rough around the edges...
    Rough around the edges? Really? Where exactly?
    rachel-weisz-deep-blue-sea-premiere-01.jpg

    It's ungentlemanly of me to point this out. But the legs...?
  • UnivexUnivex
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    Bah...lighting :D
  • GermanladyGermanlady
    edited April 2012 Posts: 6,601
    Yeah, I would like to know that, too. Lots of tweets about her telling, how she looks so young and just overall beautiful in person.

    But OMG - now we are battling through the wifes,/gf's. Thats terrible...I stop here with that s***
  • BAIN123BAIN123
    edited April 2012 Posts: 11,189
    Getafix wrote:
    MajorDSmythe wrote:
    Getafix wrote:
    MajorDSmythe wrote:
    A has-been loser, that's a bit harsh, isn't it? :-?

    Provide your counter argument then. I think he knows that Bond was his biggest and best break and it didn't work out for him. He's seen by the general public as a forgettable Bond and frankly I am not aware of him doing any quality work since LTK. Hot Fuzz aside, in respect of Bain.

    But how does that possibly make him a has-been loser? You make him sound like some washed up junkie actor that can't let go of the past. Something that Dalton obviously isn't, even if he's not had the most glittering career.

    I'm not basing my view on hard, fist-hand research. Just the fact that he's done nothing of any note since LTK and has lost his looks and apparently any of the kudos that should go along with being a past Bond. If he'd done 4 or 5 he would have been established in the public imagination. Instead he's seen as peripheral and a bit of Lazer.

    I don't think he did anything that really set the world on fire DURING his time as Bond (i.e. between 1987 and 1994). I've looked at IMDB and he did Hawks, which, from what I've heard is good but, other than that nothing that was really special or caught the attention of the public.
  • GetafixGetafix
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    Poor dear. Someone's swapped her shoes...
  • GetafixGetafix
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    BAIN123 wrote:
    Getafix wrote:
    MajorDSmythe wrote:
    Getafix wrote:
    MajorDSmythe wrote:
    A has-been loser, that's a bit harsh, isn't it? :-?

    Provide your counter argument then. I think he knows that Bond was his biggest and best break and it didn't work out for him. He's seen by the general public as a forgettable Bond and frankly I am not aware of him doing any quality work since LTK. Hot Fuzz aside, in respect of Bain.

    But how does that possibly make him a has-been loser? You make him sound like some washed up junkie actor that can't let go of the past. Something that Dalton obviously isn't, even if he's not had the most glittering career.

    I'm not basing my view on hard, fist-hand research. Just the fact that he's done nothing of any note since LTK and has lost his looks and apparently any of the kudos that should go along with being a past Bond. If he'd done 4 or 5 he would have been established in the public imagination. Instead he's seen as peripheral and a bit of Lazer.

    I don't think he did anything that really set the world on fire DURING his time as Bond (i.e. between 1987 and 1994). He did Hawks, which, from what I've heard is good but other than that nothing that was really special or caught the attention of the public.

    I'm not disagreeing with you. Prior to Bond he had a solid career. During and after it fell apart. Brozza is a great example of a not so good actor using the role to boost his career.
  • UnivexUnivex
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    What women do if they like a pair of shoes...even if the store doesn´t have their size...
  • Samuel001Samuel001 Moderator
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    Getafix wrote:
    BAIN123 wrote:
    Getafix wrote:
    MajorDSmythe wrote:
    Getafix wrote:
    MajorDSmythe wrote:
    A has-been loser, that's a bit harsh, isn't it? :-?

    Provide your counter argument then. I think he knows that Bond was his biggest and best break and it didn't work out for him. He's seen by the general public as a forgettable Bond and frankly I am not aware of him doing any quality work since LTK. Hot Fuzz aside, in respect of Bain.

    But how does that possibly make him a has-been loser? You make him sound like some washed up junkie actor that can't let go of the past. Something that Dalton obviously isn't, even if he's not had the most glittering career.

    I'm not basing my view on hard, fist-hand research. Just the fact that he's done nothing of any note since LTK and has lost his looks and apparently any of the kudos that should go along with being a past Bond. If he'd done 4 or 5 he would have been established in the public imagination. Instead he's seen as peripheral and a bit of Lazer.

    I don't think he did anything that really set the world on fire DURING his time as Bond (i.e. between 1987 and 1994). He did Hawks, which, from what I've heard is good but other than that nothing that was really special or caught the attention of the public.

    I'm not disagreeing with you. Prior to Bond he had a solid career. During and after it fell apart. Brozza is a great example of a not so good actor using the role to boost his career.

    But now, Brosnan seems in the same place Dalton was. Not a very good one.
  • GermanladyGermanlady
    edited April 2012 Posts: 6,601
    Getafix wrote:
    Poor dear. Someone's swapped her shoes...
    They all have shoes, that are too big. Just have a closer look at the Red Carpets.

  • BAIN123BAIN123
    edited April 2012 Posts: 11,189
    Getafix wrote:
    BAIN123 wrote:
    Getafix wrote:
    MajorDSmythe wrote:
    Getafix wrote:
    MajorDSmythe wrote:
    A has-been loser, that's a bit harsh, isn't it? :-?

    Provide your counter argument then. I think he knows that Bond was his biggest and best break and it didn't work out for him. He's seen by the general public as a forgettable Bond and frankly I am not aware of him doing any quality work since LTK. Hot Fuzz aside, in respect of Bain.

    But how does that possibly make him a has-been loser? You make him sound like some washed up junkie actor that can't let go of the past. Something that Dalton obviously isn't, even if he's not had the most glittering career.

    I'm not basing my view on hard, fist-hand research. Just the fact that he's done nothing of any note since LTK and has lost his looks and apparently any of the kudos that should go along with being a past Bond. If he'd done 4 or 5 he would have been established in the public imagination. Instead he's seen as peripheral and a bit of Lazer.

    I don't think he did anything that really set the world on fire DURING his time as Bond (i.e. between 1987 and 1994). He did Hawks, which, from what I've heard is good but other than that nothing that was really special or caught the attention of the public.

    I'm not disagreeing with you. Prior to Bond he had a solid career. During and after it fell apart. Brozza is a great example of a not so good actor using the role to boost his career.

    Agreed. For the record I DO think Dalts is a better actor but he's not charming enough as a film star. His image isn't quite right for the screen. Superficial I know but thats the way it is.
  • UnivexUnivex
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    Exactly, same place really. Don´t they all end up in TV series? George Lazenby - The Pretender; Timothy Dalton - Chuck; Pierce Brosnan - Bag of Bones; ...
  • Samuel001Samuel001 Moderator
    edited April 2012 Posts: 13,350
    Univex wrote:
    Exactly, same place really. Don´t they all end up in TV series? George Lazenby - The Pretender; Timothy Dalton - Chuck; Pierce Brosnan - Bag of Bones; ...

    I'd love one day for a top film star, who is in their later years, to have a long running tv series, it would make for a nice change and also make them famous for another medium and another role.

    Post-Bond, should Craig or someone further down the line give it a go. Tom Cruise maybe? Or maybe I'm just mad and it would never work!
  • BAIN123BAIN123
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    Brosnan's had equal billing alongside Carey Mulligan, Susan Sarandon, Rene Russo, Jack Nicolson, Meryl Streep Ewan McGregor and (soon to be) Emma Thompson.

    Not half bad for a (I'm being honest) average actor. His looks were probably a big part though.
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
    edited April 2012 Posts: 13,894
    Oh you sneaky Craig fans, while calling into question Dalton's non-Bond career, you've managed to divert all attention from Craig oh so solid BO carrer. [-X

    Craig hasn't exactly set the world alight outside of Bond, now has he? No.
  • Samuel001Samuel001 Moderator
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    Is it impossible for a current Bond actor to do so, though? So far, it seems it is.
  • BAIN123BAIN123
    edited April 2012 Posts: 11,189
    MajorDSmythe wrote:
    Oh you sneaky Craig fans, while calling into question Dalton's non-Bond career, you've managed to divert all attention from Craig oh so solid BO carrer. [-X

    Craig hasn't exactly set the world alight outside of Bond, now has he? No.

    Well he has at least had equal billing alongside stars like Harrison Ford and Nicole Kidman, not to mention worked with high profile contemporary directors like David Fincher.
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
    edited April 2012 Posts: 13,894
    BAIN123 wrote:
    MajorDSmythe wrote:
    Oh you sneaky Craig fans, while calling into question Dalton's non-Bond career, you've managed to divert all attention from Craig oh so solid BO carrer. [-X

    Craig hasn't exactly set the world alight outside of Bond, now has he? No.

    Well he has at least had equal billing alongside stars like Harrison Ford and Nicole Kidman, not to mention worked with directors like David Fincher.

    Hasn't helped the films much though. Outside of Bond, anyone could be forgiven for thinking that Craig is, dare I say it... *whispers* Box Office poison.
  • BAIN123BAIN123
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    I thought Dragon Tatoo did fairly well?
  • Samuel001Samuel001 Moderator
    edited April 2012 Posts: 13,350
    BAIN123 wrote:
    I thought Dragon Tatoo did fairly well?

    Not well enough to make a profit.

    $100m budget for $232 takings.
  • BAIN123BAIN123
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    Samuel001 wrote:
    BAIN123 wrote:
    I thought Dragon Tatoo did fairly well?

    Not well enough to make a profit.

    $100m budget for $232 takings.

    Eh...I was wrong. It still seemed to do reasonably well though and got a solid critical write up.
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
    edited April 2012 Posts: 13,894
    Dragon Tattoo isn't really Craigs film though, he's playing second fiddle to Mara. If any of his films make it into cinemas, and they manage to make back thier money, then they struggle to do. That's not including making a decent profit on top of having to get out of the red.
  • BAIN123BAIN123
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    MajorDSmythe wrote:
    Dragon Tattoo isn't really Craigs film though, he's playing second fiddle to Mara. If any of his films make it into cinemas, and they manage to make back thier money, then they struggle to do. That's not including making a decent profit on top of having to get out of the red.

    In fairness I haven't seen Dragon Tattoo so can't comment on the film itself but judging by the DVD cover Craig pretty much has top billing.

    I still get the feeling though that Craig is a more bankable star than Dalton. I don't mean to wind people up but thats just the impression I get.
  • UnivexUnivex
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    As much as I like Dalton, I´d say you´re right BAIN123
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
    edited April 2012 Posts: 13,894
    BAIN123 wrote:
    MajorDSmythe wrote:
    Dragon Tattoo isn't really Craigs film though, he's playing second fiddle to Mara. If any of his films make it into cinemas, and they manage to make back thier money, then they struggle to do. That's not including making a decent profit on top of having to get out of the red.

    In fairness I haven't seen Dragon Tattoo so can't comment on the film itself but judging by the DVD cover Craig pretty much has top billing.

    I still get the feeling though that Craig is a more bankable star than Dalton. I don't mean to wind people up but thats just the impression I get.

    That's a cheap and often used tactic, and one i've recently fallen victim too. As for Craig being (more) bankable, only as Bond, otherwise... :-q
  • Samuel001Samuel001 Moderator
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    I agree with some of the above posters. Craig to me, seems the more bankable star at the box office when compared with Dalton. And I too prefer Dalton as Bond.
  • UnivexUnivex
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    Although Pierce was more bankable at the time, wasn´t he? Thomas Crown did well didn´t it?
  • Samuel001Samuel001 Moderator
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    Much better. $48m budget for $124m at the box office.
  • SkyFall2012SkyFall2012
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    Definitely Craig. Dalton is boring, and not only looses the style, sophistication and glamour of the Bond films, he also dragged the reviews down. Casino Royale and Quantum of Solace have everything you expect from a Bond film; action, style, Aston Martin DBS & DB5, car chases, foot chases, hot women etc. Dalton makes Bond look like an assassin, which is what Bond is of course (an assassin for HMSS), but without the expensive suits or the cars. Craig is an assassin, but with the expensive suits, the cars and a body that every girl dreams about.

    I rest my case!
  • UnivexUnivex
    edited April 2012 Posts: 6,677
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