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  • ProfJoeButcherProfJoeButcher Bless your heart
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    NickTwentyTwo wrote: »
    fjdinardo wrote: »
    ProfJoeButcher wrote: »
    I have two questions, both of which have probably been discussed somewhere, and one of which probably has no good answer, but I'd appreciate some clarification....

    In Goldeneye, what the hell is going on in the pre-titles sequence? Is Alec already a bad guy and pretending to be captured/killed? If so, did he arrange for MI6 to send him and 007 to Ouromov? And why do a fake death for the benefit of 007, who is presumably going to be killed? And why does 006's face get messed up? If he wasn't a bad guy, did Ouromov somehow screw up shooting him at point blank range, and then 006 became Ouromov's boss in a new crime syndicate?

    It's pretty bewildering, even if it remains a good sequence (as long as I shut my brain off)

    Why do a fake death? Because Alec knows how 007 works. He knows Bond will escape the place. If Bond doesnt its just a added bonus he is killed.

    Alecs face was burned cause Bond set the timers for 3 mins. Alec was expecting it to remain at 6.

    Exactly. Interesting though that Alec knows Bond enough to know he'll escape, but not well enough to know he'd change the timers.

    Eh, it seems kinda weird. It's a pretty elaborate way to fake ones death. And for someone who expects Bond to be able to escape a facility full of Soviet soldiers, he might have come up with something better than that unsupervised helicopter death later! Or was Bond supposed to escape that too? :-D
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
    edited May 2020 Posts: 7,526
    ProfJoeButcher wrote: »
    NickTwentyTwo wrote: »
    fjdinardo wrote: »
    ProfJoeButcher wrote: »
    I have two questions, both of which have probably been discussed somewhere, and one of which probably has no good answer, but I'd appreciate some clarification....

    In Goldeneye, what the hell is going on in the pre-titles sequence? Is Alec already a bad guy and pretending to be captured/killed? If so, did he arrange for MI6 to send him and 007 to Ouromov? And why do a fake death for the benefit of 007, who is presumably going to be killed? And why does 006's face get messed up? If he wasn't a bad guy, did Ouromov somehow screw up shooting him at point blank range, and then 006 became Ouromov's boss in a new crime syndicate?

    It's pretty bewildering, even if it remains a good sequence (as long as I shut my brain off)

    Why do a fake death? Because Alec knows how 007 works. He knows Bond will escape the place. If Bond doesnt its just a added bonus he is killed.

    Alecs face was burned cause Bond set the timers for 3 mins. Alec was expecting it to remain at 6.

    Exactly. Interesting though that Alec knows Bond enough to know he'll escape, but not well enough to know he'd change the timers.

    Eh, it seems kinda weird. It's a pretty elaborate way to fake ones death. And for someone who expects Bond to be able to escape a facility full of Soviet soldiers, he might have come up with something better than that unsupervised helicopter death later! Or was Bond supposed to escape that too? :-D

    I don't think it's too elaborate.

    The attack on the chemical weapons facility was a standard MI6 operation. When 006 was assigned maybe he thought this was as good a time as any to turn on Britain. Contacted Ourumov ahead of time, sold him on his plan, and went ahead with the mission having already teamed up with Ourumov.

    My point is, I don't think he orchestrated the whole attack on the facility to fake his death. Just the gunshot.

    I agree about the helicopter. Just another example of megalomaniacal arrogance. :P
  • fjdinardofjdinardo
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    NickTwentyTwo wrote: »
    fjdinardo wrote: »
    ProfJoeButcher wrote: »
    I have two questions, both of which have probably been discussed somewhere, and one of which probably has no good answer, but I'd appreciate some clarification....

    In Goldeneye, what the hell is going on in the pre-titles sequence? Is Alec already a bad guy and pretending to be captured/killed? If so, did he arrange for MI6 to send him and 007 to Ouromov? And why do a fake death for the benefit of 007, who is presumably going to be killed? And why does 006's face get messed up? If he wasn't a bad guy, did Ouromov somehow screw up shooting him at point blank range, and then 006 became Ouromov's boss in a new crime syndicate?

    It's pretty bewildering, even if it remains a good sequence (as long as I shut my brain off)

    Why do a fake death? Because Alec knows how 007 works. He knows Bond will escape the place. If Bond doesnt its just a added bonus he is killed.

    Alecs face was burned cause Bond set the timers for 3 mins. Alec was expecting it to remain at 6.

    Exactly. Interesting though that Alec knows Bond enough to know he'll escape, but not well enough to know he'd change the timers.

    Maybe its something Bond has never done before? Thats why Alec wasn't expecting it?
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
    Posts: 7,526
    fjdinardo wrote: »
    NickTwentyTwo wrote: »
    fjdinardo wrote: »
    ProfJoeButcher wrote: »
    I have two questions, both of which have probably been discussed somewhere, and one of which probably has no good answer, but I'd appreciate some clarification....

    In Goldeneye, what the hell is going on in the pre-titles sequence? Is Alec already a bad guy and pretending to be captured/killed? If so, did he arrange for MI6 to send him and 007 to Ouromov? And why do a fake death for the benefit of 007, who is presumably going to be killed? And why does 006's face get messed up? If he wasn't a bad guy, did Ouromov somehow screw up shooting him at point blank range, and then 006 became Ouromov's boss in a new crime syndicate?

    It's pretty bewildering, even if it remains a good sequence (as long as I shut my brain off)

    Why do a fake death? Because Alec knows how 007 works. He knows Bond will escape the place. If Bond doesnt its just a added bonus he is killed.

    Alecs face was burned cause Bond set the timers for 3 mins. Alec was expecting it to remain at 6.

    Exactly. Interesting though that Alec knows Bond enough to know he'll escape, but not well enough to know he'd change the timers.

    Maybe its something Bond has never done before? Thats why Alec wasn't expecting it?

    Could very well be.
  • fjdinardofjdinardo
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    Did Desmond Llewelyn have the best exit from the Bond series of any actor including the Bonds? I think so
  • goldenswissroyalegoldenswissroyale Switzerland
    edited May 2020 Posts: 4,398
    fjdinardo wrote: »
    Did Desmond Llewelyn have the best exit from the Bond series of any actor including the Bonds? I think so

    Yes! The Q moments in TWINE aren't a highlight apart of his final moment. His last minute on screen is well written and touches me every time because of Desmond's sad fate. The moment when Q disappears in the ground feels a bit like the quartermaster's funeral.
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
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    goldenswissroyale wrote: »
    fjdinardo wrote: »
    Did Desmond Llewelyn have the best exit from the Bond series of any actor including the Bonds? I think so

    Yes! The Q moments in TWINE aren't a highlight apart of his final moment. His last minute on screen is well written and touches me every time because of Desmond's sad fate. The moment when Q disappears in the ground feels a bit like the quartermaster's funeral.

    Very poignant scene.
  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
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    I often think it's sad that no tribute was given to Bernard Lee. I haven't watched the credits of FYEO but I don't think there was any mention of his passing. :(
  • ResurrectionResurrection Kolkata, India
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    Recently rewatched Casino Royale after a long time, one thing that comes to mind is why does bond goes to meet le chriffe to his room and why does he take vesper with him?
  • GerardGerard
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    He intended to put a microphone and a tracker inside his inhaler, if memory serves. Vesper was there as a lookout.
  • ResurrectionResurrection Kolkata, India
    edited May 2020 Posts: 2,541
    Gerard wrote: »
    He intended to put a microphone and a tracker inside his inhaler, if memory serves. Vesper was there as a lookout.

    As i remember he put that tracker in the casino, I was talking about this scene, why bond came here and why vesper was with him considering it was dangerous.

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  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
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    He's using her, as cover.

    He's slow to realize the dangerous situation he placed her in, it blindsides him when he finds her in the shower later.
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
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    Yeah, and his intention there was to confront him I suppose?
  • bigladiesmanbigladiesman
    edited May 2020 Posts: 1,009
    OK, I know this question is pure pie in the sky, but, on TMWTGG, anyone knows by chance what that poor Thai cabbie on the old Playmouth is saying to Sheriff Pepper before he's sent flying to the infinity and beyond?
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
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    The YouTube account used to publish the covert NATO operatives in Skyfall is called "vials"; I wonder if this is in reference to anything?
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
    edited May 2020 Posts: 13,957
    NickTwentyTwo wrote: »
    The YouTube account used to publish the covert NATO operatives in Skyfall is called "vials"; I wonder if this is in reference to anything?
    I don't think it's anything beyond an anagram of 'Silva'.
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
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    QBranch wrote: »
    NickTwentyTwo wrote: »
    The YouTube account used to publish the covert NATO operatives in Skyfall is called "vials"; I wonder if this is in reference to anything?
    I don't think it's anything beyond an anagram of 'Silva'.

    Can’t believe I missed that.
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
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    I think I was the first to upload the 'MI6 Agents' video on youtube for real:

  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
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    How could you put those agents’ life in danger like that??

    lol that’s cool though!
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
    edited May 2020 Posts: 7,526
    I need an LTK expert:
    What of LTK specifically happens in Nassau Bahamas, vs. Key West, Florida? I thought originally the wedding, and also Felix' home were in Nassau and everything else was in Key West (aside from the Isthmus stuff of course), but now I'm thinking only the wedding is in Nassau and everything else is in Key West?
  • marcmarc Universal Exports
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    I'm not an LTK expert :--) but the following link supports Felix' home being in Florida:

    Jamesbond/fandom.com/wiki/Licence_to_Kill_(film)
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
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    Yeah that's sort of what I came to as well. But then apparently the Bimini Barrelhead Club is meant to be in Nassau? I'm trying to avoid having to just watch the entire film again. :P
  • marcmarc Universal Exports
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    understandable...
    The following link agrees with you that it's meant to be Nassau:

    huntingbond.com/barrelhead-bar-key-west-james-bond-licence-to-kill/
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
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    marc wrote: »
    understandable...
    The following link agrees with you that it's meant to be Nassau:

    huntingbond.com/barrelhead-bar-key-west-james-bond-licence-to-kill/

    Totally. Just seems weird that the wedding in the PTS would be in Nassau, and then everything else would be in Key West... just to have everything jump back to Nassau for the sake of this bar... which isn't even in Nassau in the first place, lol.

    Anyway, thanks for the links and the help!
  • moneyofpropre2moneyofpropre2 France
    edited May 2020 Posts: 850
    In fact there is reason to that, have the Barellhead in Bimini. Bond go there to meet Pam. But for understand, it's the specter of earlier drafts of the movie. Cause in earlier script, Pam said to Bond that she earlier smugler people to US for Sanchez (who she think was mexican illegals, but was in reality hitmen or drug smullger) ; and now she can go can't go back to the US cause the charge against her (it's why she help Leiter ; her legal problem would be resolved if she help him to bring down Sanchez - and for revenge). That's why the barellhead scene is not located in US territory (cause in earlier scripts she couldn't go there).

    But the Wedding (and Felix house), is located at Key West.



  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
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    moneyofpropre2 wrote: »
    In fact there is reason to that, have the Barellhead in Bimini. Bond go there to meet Pam. But for understand, it's the specter of earlier drafts of the movie. Cause in earlier script, Pam said to Bond that she earlier smugler people to US for Sanchez (who she think was mexican illegals, but was in reality hitmen or drug smullger) ; and now she can go can't go back to the US cause the charge against her (it's why she help Leiter ; her legal problem would be resolved if she help him to bring down Sanchez - and for revenge). That's why the barellhead scene is not located in US territory (cause in earlier scripts she couldn't go there).

    But the Wedding (and Felix house), is located at Key West.



    Makes sense about the Bimini, thanks! Everything I've read so far indicates that the wedding was in Nassau, but yeah, his house is in Key West.
  • moneyofpropre2moneyofpropre2 France
    edited May 2020 Posts: 850
    Well, in the « final draft » script ( https://www.commander007.net/2019/permis-de-tuer-analyse-du-script-final/ ) : the church is in Key West, the marriage festivity take place in Leiter house (location no definite, but in an earlier draft the writters said the house of Leiter was in Key West) and the airport (in which Bond is after the wedding) is Key West too.

    I don't remember where all this is locoted in John Gardner novelization however.
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
    edited May 2020 Posts: 7,526
    Very interesting... I'll have to watch the beginning again.

    There's a place just north of Key West called Fleming Key. Neat.
  • fjdinardofjdinardo
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    You think will ever get a new Bond movie released every 2-3 years? or is 3-5 years the new normal for new Bond movie releases?
  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
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    I think 3-5 years is going to be the new norm unless they start shooting them back to back like MI was attempting to do with their next 2.
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