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  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
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    I am not sure why it popped into my head last night! I think Yaphet Koto plays him so well that we don't question it. But when you think about it, as the PM of Saint Monique and then to also be running a huge crime syndicate over the US (including both NYC and New Orleans) he'd have to put a lot of time and energy into such an endeavor. Since clearly he's Kananga and that is his primary role the crime boss would take quite a bit to pull off.

    Yes the Fleming novel does a nice job with that. Although outdated his system of having the black workers of the railways and others in the service industry working for him who in turn is working for SMERSH and Russia is an interesting story. Course by the time of filming it would have been way to political to be delivered to the screen...and of course racist in its tone.
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    Never thought of that with Kananga before.
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    Quick one:
    At the beginning of GE, is Bond on a training exercise in Monaco or is he there tailing Xenia Onatopp? Does the film explain which it is?
  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
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    He wasn't Onatopp of things! LOL! He was there getting a psychology test and make up by the therapist. He happens to stumble upon Xenia through the racing and then suspects her when her Ferrari has counterfeit plates.
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    thedove wrote: »
    He wasn't Onatopp of things! LOL! He was there getting a psychology test and make up by the therapist. He happens to stumble upon Xenia through the racing and then suspects her when her Ferrari has counterfeit plates.

    Seems a little odd that Bond is on a training excursion in Monaco and just so happens to run into Xenia. Surely he is tailing her......

    Isn't there a scene where Bond goes into the Aston and reports the status on Xenia? Saying he has made contact....
  • WalecsWalecs On Her Majesty's Secret Service
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    thedove wrote: »
    He wasn't Onatopp of things! LOL! He was there getting a psychology test and make up by the therapist. He happens to stumble upon Xenia through the racing and then suspects her when her Ferrari has counterfeit plates.

    Seems a little odd that Bond is on a training excursion in Monaco and just so happens to run into Xenia. Surely he is tailing her......

    Isn't there a scene where Bond goes into the Aston and reports the status on Xenia? Saying he has made contact....

    Yep, while the movie doesn't specify it I like to think that M charged Bond with finding out what Xenia is up to and sent the therapist with him, so to kill two birds with one stone.
  • 00Agent00Agent Any man who drinks Dom Perignon '52 can't be all bad.
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    Walecs wrote: »
    thedove wrote: »
    He wasn't Onatopp of things! LOL! He was there getting a psychology test and make up by the therapist. He happens to stumble upon Xenia through the racing and then suspects her when her Ferrari has counterfeit plates.

    Seems a little odd that Bond is on a training excursion in Monaco and just so happens to run into Xenia. Surely he is tailing her......

    Isn't there a scene where Bond goes into the Aston and reports the status on Xenia? Saying he has made contact....

    Yep, while the movie doesn't specify it I like to think that M charged Bond with finding out what Xenia is up to and sent the therapist with him, so to kill two birds with one stone.

    That's how i see it too.
    I also like to think that they deliberately left it open to interpretation as to make it look like Bond is hanging out in Monaco just for fun. He seems to be more than familiar with the place and knows everyone by name there. The first part of GE always felt to me like he's on vacation until work comes in between.

    The Bond that enjoys himself was missing from the franchise for years, and that's what they wanted to bring back with PB imho.
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    00Agent wrote: »
    Walecs wrote: »
    thedove wrote: »
    He wasn't Onatopp of things! LOL! He was there getting a psychology test and make up by the therapist. He happens to stumble upon Xenia through the racing and then suspects her when her Ferrari has counterfeit plates.

    Seems a little odd that Bond is on a training excursion in Monaco and just so happens to run into Xenia. Surely he is tailing her......

    Isn't there a scene where Bond goes into the Aston and reports the status on Xenia? Saying he has made contact....

    Yep, while the movie doesn't specify it I like to think that M charged Bond with finding out what Xenia is up to and sent the therapist with him, so to kill two birds with one stone.

    That's how i see it too.
    I also like to think that they deliberately left it open to interpretation as to make it look like Bond is hanging out in Monaco just for fun. He seems to be more than familiar with the place and knows everyone by name there. The first part of GE always felt to me like he's on vacation until work comes in between.

    The Bond that enjoys himself was missing from the franchise for years, and that's what they wanted to bring back with PB imho.

    The dialogue from Moneypenny over the computer says the following:

    Identification confirmed. Onatopp, Xenia. Ex-Soviet fighter pilot. Current suspected links to the Janus crime syndicate, St Petersburg. Yacht "Manticore" is leased to a known Janus corporate front. M authorises you to observe Miss Onatopp, but stipulates no contact without prior approval. End oftransmission. Moneypenny.

    It's possible that Bond was on a training course and just so happened on Xenia's scheme. But there is also the possibility that he was there investigating some links to the Janus group.

    It's not entirely clear. It's probably a bit of both. it would have been helpful to have had one line of dialogue to explain that Bond was tailing Janus. maybe Bond saying "I've been tailing Janus for six months now..."

    I'm just being hyper-critical and I think @00Agent is right - The scenes are basically an excuse to see Bond rolling around Monte Carlo following a dangerous femme fatale. the pleasure is supposed to be in seeing him begin to put ht mystery together in a sexy and exotic location.
  • 00Agent00Agent Any man who drinks Dom Perignon '52 can't be all bad.
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    It's similar to how OHMSS is set up.
    Sure, Bond meets Tracy in the Casino for a second time, saves her and because of that their relationship deepens, but Bond is in the casino purely by accident just enjoying himself. Connery in Dr. No as well. That's who James Bond is.

    He greets the valet boy by name in GE. He is clearly a frequent visitor to the casino, and would hang out there with or without a mission.

    It might not serve the story that well, but to me that's purely a "character moment".
  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
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    I guess we are being nitpicky on this detail. But the whole thing comes across as Bond just stumbling on to Xenia. They are driving along and he's talking with the therapist. Suddenly Xenia appears and they begin some cat and mouse road race. He then notices the car at the casino and has his interaction with her. He gets curious when he sees counterfeit plates and does further investigation. It serves as a character development and harkens back to classic Bond.

    It also sets up the "Evil Queen of numbers" sequence as we see Bond doing old fashioned sleuthing by his gut and yet M is more into the numbers and facts. Too bad they abandoned this idea after just one film as in TND she is a staunch defender of Bond even though she clearly says she doesn't like Bond in this film.
  • 00Agent00Agent Any man who drinks Dom Perignon '52 can't be all bad.
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    thedove wrote: »
    I guess we are being nitpicky on this detail. But the whole thing comes across as Bond just stumbling on to Xenia. They are driving along and he's talking with the therapist. Suddenly Xenia appears and they begin some cat and mouse road race. He then notices the car at the casino and has his interaction with her. He gets curious when he sees counterfeit plates and does further investigation. It serves as a character development and harkens back to classic Bond.

    It also sets up the "Evil Queen of numbers" sequence as we see Bond doing old fashioned sleuthing by his gut and yet M is more into the numbers and facts. Too bad they abandoned this idea after just one film as in TND she is a staunch defender of Bond even though she clearly says she doesn't like Bond in this film.

    Agreed, throughout the film you can see in the dialogue that they are puzzling the whole plot together from his first meeting with Xenia.
    Bond sees that Xenia steals the helicopter in Monaco. Back in London he concludes that Severnaja was blown up by the people who stole the helicopter because of it's capacity to withstand emp blasts.

    Xenia is linked with Janus because Bond send a request to MI6 for investigation, and the MI6 computer tell's them that she is affiliated with Janus. So from there they start investigating Janus. (Same thing with Dimitrios and Le Chiffre)

    M asks him in the briefing "What else do we know about Janus?"

    They were't shadowing them at all. Pure accident.

    Same with Quantum until Bond stumbled on Mr. White with Vespers help.
  • ProfJoeButcherProfJoeButcher Bless your heart
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    thedove wrote: »
    I guess we are being nitpicky on this detail. But the whole thing comes across as Bond just stumbling on to Xenia. They are driving along and he's talking with the therapist. Suddenly Xenia appears and they begin some cat and mouse road race. He then notices the car at the casino and has his interaction with her. He gets curious when he sees counterfeit plates and does further investigation. It serves as a character development and harkens back to classic Bond.
    I don't think it's nitpicky... Goldeneye basically happens because Bond saw stolen plates on the car of a girl he was flirting with. I've always found that really strange and annoying.
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    You must not have liked TB, then. I mean, what were the odds of Bond going to the same clinic as count Lippe, a man with a strange tatoo ? And what were the odds of him stumbling upon thebody of a pilot who was supposed to fly a bomber with two nukes the same night ? Frankly, one can't find a more contrived coincidence.
  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
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    Just dawned on my that the last mention of SPECTRE on screen was in OHMSS. (outside of the last movie of course.) So in DAF is it safe to say that now Blofeld is alone and that's why he needed to take over Willard Whyte's empire? Actually when you look at the films they do somehow address the losses that SPECTRE experiences.

    YOLT a huge volcano that must have cost big bucks to make. Lots of men to help defend and keep the rocket program going.

    OHMSS a small mountaintop base with a smaller army of men.

    DAF no evidence of SPECTRE. Blofeld is running his caper out of Whyte industries. The only allies seem to be Wint and Kidd and Bambi and Thumper with Saxby somehow turned to do Blofeld's bidding.
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    How would Blofeld take over Whyte industries without a group of men? Are the men on the oil rig former spectre men? or Men on Whyte payroll?
  • MinionMinion Don't Hassle the Bond
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    thedove wrote: »
    Just dawned on my that the last mention of SPECTRE on screen was in OHMSS. (outside of the last movie of course.) So in DAF is it safe to say that now Blofeld is alone and that's why he needed to take over Willard Whyte's empire? Actually when you look at the films they do somehow address the losses that SPECTRE experiences.

    YOLT a huge volcano that must have cost big bucks to make. Lots of men to help defend and keep the rocket program going.

    OHMSS a small mountaintop base with a smaller army of men.

    DAF no evidence of SPECTRE. Blofeld is running his caper out of Whyte industries. The only allies seem to be Wint and Kidd and Bambi and Thumper with Saxby somehow turned to do Blofeld's bidding.
    I recall seeing a post, possibly even early in this thread, which drew a link between the amount of money SPECTRE lost in TB and the amount Blofeld was seeking to recoup in YOLT.
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    thedove wrote: »
    So in DAF is it safe to say that now Blofeld is alone and that's why he needed to take over Willard Whyte's empire? DAF no evidence of SPECTRE.

    There is one small sign of Spectre: the Octopus logo appears on Blofeld's bathosub.

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  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
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    Additionally, Blofeld's henchmen (in black) in both the PTS and oil rig scenes can be spotted with that octopus logo on their belt buckles.
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    thedove wrote: »
    I guess we are being nitpicky on this detail. But the whole thing comes across as Bond just stumbling on to Xenia. They are driving along and he's talking with the therapist. Suddenly Xenia appears and they begin some cat and mouse road race. He then notices the car at the casino and has his interaction with her. He gets curious when he sees counterfeit plates and does further investigation. It serves as a character development and harkens back to classic Bond.
    I don't think it's nitpicky... Goldeneye basically happens because Bond saw stolen plates on the car of a girl he was flirting with. I've always found that really strange and annoying.

    I think you're missing the point.

    The opening of GE after the PTS is all about tone.

    It's about establishing a sense of mood and atmosphere. That feeling of exoticism, exclusivity, jet-set life. it's what Hitchcock did so well in films such as To Catch a Thief.

    I know the opening is a little strained in terms of plot. But it's classically Bondian - you have the vintage cars, the French riviera, mysterious and potentially deadly femme fatales, casinos, glamour, etc.

    It's all about tone. These days it's a tone that is really exclusive to the Bond films.

    (Also, I think it's Campbell's way of giving Brosnan a nice easy hand to play as he wants audiences to accept him as Bond - so laden him with casinos and DB5's)
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    thedove wrote: »
    I guess we are being nitpicky on this detail. But the whole thing comes across as Bond just stumbling on to Xenia. They are driving along and he's talking with the therapist. Suddenly Xenia appears and they begin some cat and mouse road race. He then notices the car at the casino and has his interaction with her. He gets curious when he sees counterfeit plates and does further investigation. It serves as a character development and harkens back to classic Bond.
    I don't think it's nitpicky... Goldeneye basically happens because Bond saw stolen plates on the car of a girl he was flirting with. I've always found that really strange and annoying.

    I think you're missing the point.

    The opening of GE after the PTS is all about tone.

    It's about establishing a sense of mood and atmosphere. That feeling of exoticism, exclusivity, jet-set life. it's what Hitchcock did so well in films such as To Catch a Thief.

    I know the opening is a little strained in terms of plot. But it's classically Bondian - you have the vintage cars, the French riviera, mysterious and potentially deadly femme fatales, casinos, glamour, etc.

    It's all about tone. These days it's a tone that is really exclusive to the Bond films.

    (Also, I think it's Campbell's way of giving Brosnan a nice easy hand to play as he wants audiences to accept him as Bond - so laden him with casinos and DB5's)

    +1
    Bringing the grinning,confident,fun element back to Bond.
  • 00Agent00Agent Any man who drinks Dom Perignon '52 can't be all bad.
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    thedove wrote: »
    I guess we are being nitpicky on this detail. But the whole thing comes across as Bond just stumbling on to Xenia. They are driving along and he's talking with the therapist. Suddenly Xenia appears and they begin some cat and mouse road race. He then notices the car at the casino and has his interaction with her. He gets curious when he sees counterfeit plates and does further investigation. It serves as a character development and harkens back to classic Bond.
    I don't think it's nitpicky... Goldeneye basically happens because Bond saw stolen plates on the car of a girl he was flirting with. I've always found that really strange and annoying.

    I think you're missing the point.

    The opening of GE after the PTS is all about tone.

    It's about establishing a sense of mood and atmosphere. That feeling of exoticism, exclusivity, jet-set life. it's what Hitchcock did so well in films such as To Catch a Thief.


    I know the opening is a little strained in terms of plot. But it's classically Bondian - you have the vintage cars, the French riviera, mysterious and potentially deadly femme fatales, casinos, glamour, etc.

    It's all about tone. These days it's a tone that is really exclusive to the Bond films.

    (Also, I think it's Campbell's way of giving Brosnan a nice easy hand to play as he wants audiences to accept him as Bond - so laden him with casinos and DB5's)

    Exactly. And that's as Fleming as it gets. He put tone before plot. I don't want to say always, but often. (you call it tone, to me it's as much the characterization of Bond, but we mean the same thing. Characters are not only about emotions. It's their lifestyle choices and interests.)

    If you took some of his plots apart, you would get a headache from the implausibility, and Fleming knew that very well. Just as an example, in OHMSS Bond is chilling at a casino and randomly discovers a suicidal girl that happens to be the daughter of the biggest crime boss of Europe, who happens to know Blofelds whereabouts? That's as implausible as it gets. Still one of his best novels. The whole of CR is a headscratcher, but we don't care because the setup is awesome. In Moonraker he just wanted to put Bond in Blades and talk about food for a whole chapter (Thanks Ian!) and from there Bond discovers that Drax cheats at cards and decides to investigate him lol.

    Setting up Bond in the Jetset life was the priority, the rest Fleming took from there.
    It's all about tone. These days it's a tone that is really exclusive to the Bond films.
    Always has been. As far as franchises go. And if there is another, they stole it from Bond (John Wick comes to my mind first)

    By the way is there a thread for this?
  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
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    To answer your question @00Agent I am not aware of one. However this has come before in a variety of other threads. This tone that you are referring to has gone away from Craig's Bond. Sure we had some casino scenes in CR but overall Bond has lost many of his personality traits. Has Craig's Bond ever corrected someone for their wine choice? Has he been known to make a cup of coffee from an espresso machine? Sadly all that has been lost. I will grant you that Craig's Bond has upped the danger and the violence. We have lost the character moments, or the tone that you refer to in your post.
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    My question : in GF, when the gangsters are gassed, the lights go on and off, giving a stroboscopic effect. Is there a plor-related reason (other than it looks cool) for that ?
  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
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    QBranch wrote: »
    Additionally, Blofeld's henchmen (in black) in both the PTS and oil rig scenes can be spotted with that octopus logo on their belt buckles.

    I have never noticed that before I am going to have to give it a look when I see it again?
    Gerard wrote: »
    My question : in GF, when the gangsters are gassed, the lights go on and off, giving a stroboscopic effect. Is there a plor-related reason (other than it looks cool) for that ?

    I have never poisoned a room full of gangsters (LOL) but I can't think of a reason for the lights to flash on and off. Besides maybe to disorient them and cause some additional panic...but that might be a reach as the gas was going to kill them anyway.
  • 00Agent00Agent Any man who drinks Dom Perignon '52 can't be all bad.
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    thedove wrote: »
    To answer your question @00Agent I am not aware of one. However this has come before in a variety of other threads. This tone that you are referring to has gone away from Craig's Bond. Sure we had some casino scenes in CR but overall Bond has lost many of his personality traits. Has Craig's Bond ever corrected someone for their wine choice? Has he been known to make a cup of coffee from an espresso machine? Sadly all that has been lost. I will grant you that Craig's Bond has upped the danger and the violence. We have lost the character moments, or the tone that you refer to in your post.

    My question was if there is another thread for this discussion. ;)
    Also i don't agree that all that stuff has disappeared in the Craig era.
    It's all, how do you say, a matter of perspective.
    I would love to discuss this further in another thread i just don't know which one would fit.
  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
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    Why does Stromberg keep the crews of the British and Russian subs alive? Think of the cost for feeding them and then the guards keeping an eye on them. Wouldn't it be better for him to release the gas into the subs after taking them? It serves the purpose of providing an army and for Bond. While we are on that subject why does Blofeld keep the astronauts alive in YOLT? Wouldn't it be better to just kill them?
  • MinionMinion Don't Hassle the Bond
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    Revelator wrote: »
    thedove wrote: »
    So in DAF is it safe to say that now Blofeld is alone and that's why he needed to take over Willard Whyte's empire? DAF no evidence of SPECTRE.

    There is one small sign of Spectre: the Octopus logo appears on Blofeld's bathosub.

    Bath-O-Sub_%28Diamonds_Are_Forever%29_front-left_National_Motor_Museum%2C_Beaulieu.jpg
    If I had to guess, I wouldn't be surprised if using the name SPECTRE in the film was a legal landmine, but that particular SPECTRE logo was property of EON Productions.
  • goldenswissroyalegoldenswissroyale Switzerland
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    thedove wrote: »
    Why does Stromberg keep the crews of the British and Russian subs alive? Think of the cost for feeding them and then the guards keeping an eye on them. Wouldn't it be better for him to release the gas into the subs after taking them? It serves the purpose of providing an army and for Bond. While we are on that subject why does Blofeld keep the astronauts alive in YOLT? Wouldn't it be better to just kill them?

    I don't know but it was obviously necessary for the plot of both films. They had a similar story in many ways.
  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
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    Yes I suppose. Makes Stromberg a helluva more evil. Much like Carver killing all the survivors from the sinking of the battleship. I remember thinking during that scene that this guy is a heartless bastard.
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    Why did Nick Nack try to kill Bond at Hi Fats estate when he knows dam well Scarmanga has wanted to kill Bond himself for the longest time? Surely Scaramanga wouldn't be too happy if Nick Nack killed Bond.
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