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  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    I agree with you, @0BradyM0Bondfanatic7. The one in Spectre was better and definitely a great scene. Although, I would've preferred if White's last line was "Good luck" (as in the script) instead of "So long." But, that's another subject for a different matter...

    Now, regarding the alternate ending in QoS, yes it's set in Haines' estate but what I've read (I've read it on wikipedia some years ago) is the one I described above. I presume as White raises his Glock to shoot Haines after the "It's not your fault, but they know who you are." line, I'm guessing he was interrupted by either Bond's presence or guards have alerted the entire area due to the presence of an uninvited guest. Now, it's true it wouldn't have been that good, but I still want to see that scene in its entirely.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    @ClarkDevlin, was the scene supposed to be a big action scene with Bond in a shootout with Haines' guards, or was it simply to involve Bond shooting one or both of them and that was it? How did it end? Bond holding his gun at the camera (aimed at White in the scene) and a cut to black, cuing credits?
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    @0BradyM0Bondfanatic7, I don't exactly remember if a shootout was to be taking place but the ending was in the vein of how QoS the game made its transition from the gunbarrel to the opening titles. An injured White, I'm guessing after a shootout, was to crawl and raise his gun to shoot Bond in the back as the latter approaches Haines to kidnap him, Bond turns around and shoots White the same way he shoots Fisher in CR as the screen fixates from White's gunbarrel with Bond in the center. Blood drips down and The James Bond Theme kicks in? I think?

    EDIT:
    Dug deep into my old files and found this page saved... That's the paragraph:
    A scene showing Mr. White's ultimate fate and the identity of his superior was filmed and included in early cuts to conclude the film.

    Mentioned in the film as one of the Prime Minister's closest advisers, Guy Haines is also a senior member of the shadowy organization Quantum. 007 discovers his presence during the Tosca opera scene where Dominic Greene holds a meeting of Quantum members.

    The movie was originally intended to end with a one-minute sequence where 007 introduces himself to Haines at his estate, setting up the next adventure. The gun-barrel sequence, uniquely positioned at the end of "Quantum of Solace", would have appeared after Bond dispatches Mr. White for good.[3]

    After the first screening, Forster chose to leave it out to give the next film's director a chance to tell their own story, as including the scene would have forced them to make Bond 23 another direct sequel.[4]

    The catchphrase "Bond, James Bond" was also cut out, marking only the fourth film that Bond does not introduce himself with the line. It was shot for several different scenes but was completely cut out as Forster and the producers found it unnecessary.[5]

    Forster also convinced the producers not to edit in flashbacks of the previous film as he felt it would look odd in a direct sequel.[6]

    Citations:
    3.- Lost Link, from an old version of the MI-6 Forums site...
    4.- http://www.collider.com/entertainment/interviews/article.asp/aid/9605/tcid/1
    5.- http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/film-and-tv/news/weve-been-expecting-you-mr-er-new-bond-blockbuster-drops-the-catchphrases-936999.html
    6.- http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=50314
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    @ClarkDevlin, thanks for clearing this up! Forster made some really good judgements, in my opinion.

    The ending wouldn't have worked, and would have put the next director in a rough and not too flexible spot. In addition, flashbacks would have messed with the pacing of the film and, as he said, be unnecessary and "odd."
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    You're welcome! :)>-

    Agreed, that ending wouldn't have worked because the next director, like the paragraph states, would've been in a hard position to make a fulfilling sequel to QoS. I think Marc Forster did the smart thing with finishing The Vesper Chronicle off and leaving the door open for the one following him in the footsteps.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    It's nice to have the Vesper arc as something Bond never really gets to lay to rest, and it's always something in the back of his mind. He gets some resolution at the end of QoS, in forgiving Vesper, but the people that hurt her are largely still out there in the shadows. A nice touch.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    Agreed. Well, White died... And Blofeld is still alive... We'll see soon...
  • CASINOROYALECASINOROYALE Somewhere hot
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    Okay I swear I saw a thread on this but how many lost Bond films are there?
    I could've sworn there were lost Bond films that had a title and a script/plot?
    Maybe for Dalton/Brosnan? Or Connery? Can't remember..
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    @CASINOROYALE

    Here's one...

    Tomorrow Is Never The Day To Die
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    @CASINOROYALE, this is the only thread of the kind I was able to find on the forum relating to your inquiry:

    http://www.mi6community.com/index.php?p=/discussion/2199/another-lost-bond-film/p1

    I believe there are some details out there, or at least an outline of what the story would have been for Dalton's third Bond film, including some elements that I believe was used for Goldeneye when he decided not to return.

    I've just found two articles that look at Dalton's third Bond film and all the work EON did to make it a reality, including an analysis of what could have been had Dalton not retired the role:

    https://www.mi6-hq.com/sections/movies/bond17.php3

    http://www.007.info/the-007-film-that-never-was-daltons-third-bond/
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    Apparently there was a Bond movie in 1924 called Dangerous Mission. ;)
  • bigladiesmanbigladiesman
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    Not lost movies "per se", but lost treatments: Ben Hecht's version of Casino Royale. They say it would have ruled.

    And then we have TSWLM by John Landis or Anthony Burgess...
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    What was the Casino Royale version of Hecht's like, @bigladiesman? Close to Fleming?
  • bigladiesmanbigladiesman
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    0BradyM0Bondfanatic7 wrote: »
    What was the Casino Royale version of Hecht's
    like, @bigladiesman? Close to Fleming?

    I think it was more or less close to a Richard Maibaum screenplay in terms of adaptating a story, but more violent and bizarre than anything by Maibaum in the era. Hecht said that was the time where he had more fun writing.

    See for yourself, I think it would have been awesome: telegraph.co.uk/culture/film/jamesbond/8345119/Casino-Royale-discovering-the-lost-script.html

  • PropertyOfALadyPropertyOfALady Colders Federation CEO
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    Brady, you should read Rogue Royale by Jeremy Duns!
  • bigladiesmanbigladiesman
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    PropertyOfALady wrote: »
    Brady, you should read Rogue Royale by Jeremy Duns!

    https://amazon.co.uk/Rogue-Royale-Shakespeare-Hollywood-ebook/dp/B00F0LCJY4/ref=sr_1_cc_1?s=aps&ie=UTF8&qid=1378475186&sr=1-1-catcorr&keywords=rogue+royale

    Also available in the USA store for 3,33 bucks.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    PropertyOfALady wrote: »
    Brady, you should read Rogue Royale by Jeremy Duns!

    @PropertyOfALady, what's it about?
  • PropertyOfALadyPropertyOfALady Colders Federation CEO
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    Ben Hecht's version of Casino Royale.
  • bigladiesmanbigladiesman
    edited November 2016 Posts: 1,009
    https://amazon.co.uk/Duns-Bond-Omnibus-Journalism-Fleming-ebook/dp/B00PTAZY9I

    Cheap as chips and contains Rogue Royale and Diamonds In The Rogue (various articles). Bought it, and I took advantage of the situation to buy the ebook version of Some Kind Of Hero.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    Better make that two. Even though I was aware of the details of the script...

    The main downpoint of it though was that the character wasn't James Bond in it. It was "an agent" whose gone undercover as "James Bond", something recycled in the satire film. And Le Chiffre isn't the one to torture Bond, but his dominatrix wife is, whose face is deformed by "Bond" earlier in the film when she was assaulted at her own brothel.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    Murdock wrote: »
    Apparently there was a Bond movie in 1924 called Dangerous Mission. ;)

    There was a movie called Dangerous Mission out in 1954. Mostly known for its 3d, and had nothing to do with Bond.
  • bigladiesmanbigladiesman
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    ClarkDevlin wrote: »
    Better make that two. Even though I was aware of the details of the script...

    The main downpoint of it though was that the character wasn't James Bond in it. It was "an agent" whose gone undercover as "James Bond", something recycled in the satire film. And Le Chiffre isn't the one to torture Bond, but his dominatrix wife is, whose face is deformed by "Bond" earlier in the film when she was assaulted at her own brothel.

    According to the original article, at one point, Hecht abandoned the "substitute Bond" just to go back to it at the end. I guess it was to cover ground if the chosen actor was not British. I'm pretty sure that should Ratoff, Feldman and Huston had cast a British actor, the real Bond would have been used in the finished film. (I hope I've written this final sentence correctly: my use of passive forms is terrible and tends to read like a craplot of jibberish).
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    bigladiesman wrote: »
    ClarkDevlin wrote: »
    Better make that two. Even though I was aware of the details of the script...

    The main downpoint of it though was that the character wasn't James Bond in it. It was "an agent" whose gone undercover as "James Bond", something recycled in the satire film. And Le Chiffre isn't the one to torture Bond, but his dominatrix wife is, whose face is deformed by "Bond" earlier in the film when she was assaulted at her own brothel.

    According to the original article, at one point, Hecht abandoned the "substitute Bond" just to go back to it at the end. I guess it was to cover ground if the chosen actor was not British. I'm pretty sure that should Ratoff, Feldman and Huston cast a British actor, the real Bond would have been used in the finished film. (I hope I've written this final sentence correctly: my use of passive forms is terrible and tends to read like a craplot of jibberish).
    No worries about it.

    In other materials, I've read that the main spy wasn't even Bond. It was a former gangster called Lucky something assigned to stop Le Chiffre from winning the game...
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    Birdleson wrote: »
    The thought of Huston, with Hecht, making an actual adaptation of CASINO ROYALE, with Bond as the protagonist, is too great to dwell on, as I'll forever pine for such a creation.

    JOHN Huston?!
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    0BradyM0Bondfanatic7 wrote: »
    Birdleson wrote: »
    The thought of Huston, with Hecht, making an actual adaptation of CASINO ROYALE, with Bond as the protagonist, is too great to dwell on, as I'll forever pine for such a creation.

    JOHN Huston?!
    Yep! He even directed some of the final material of the '67 satire.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    ClarkDevlin wrote: »
    0BradyM0Bondfanatic7 wrote: »
    Birdleson wrote: »
    The thought of Huston, with Hecht, making an actual adaptation of CASINO ROYALE, with Bond as the protagonist, is too great to dwell on, as I'll forever pine for such a creation.

    JOHN Huston?!
    Yep! He even directed some of the final material of the '67 satire.

    Sonuva... :O
  • dominicgreenedominicgreene The Eternal QOS Defender
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    In Skyfall, where did the e in "s'plosion" go on the Skyfall TV news cast?
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
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    This might be a stupid question. In Spectre, Judi's M tells Bond not to 'miss the funeral' in her video message. Is she referring to her own funeral or that of Sciarra's?
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    Sciarra's.
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
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    That's how I took it.
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