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  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    ForYourEyesOnly wrote: »
    My biggest complaint is honestly the script and how it never left a chance for Bond and Kristatos to properly encounter each other again as enemies. It was always brief moments and Bond was always occupied talking to Melina instead.
    That's true. In addition, the dialogue appeared to have been deliberately toned down in the film. There are very few memorable exchanges and it's almost too down to earth in places.

    Successor OP surpassed it (imho) within the first minute with "Toro? Sounds like a load of bull."
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
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    I have no problem with Kristatos- I liked how he was a more realistic villain in the vein of Greene. He could've had a few more memorable lines though, can't really think of any off the top of my head for him, except for the "they'll make appetizing bait" remark.
  • ForYourEyesOnlyForYourEyesOnly In the untained cradle of the heavens
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    I can concede he was a bit on the dull side. But I mean, I don't really dislike any of the Moore era villains.

    My favourite is still Drax though. His droll delivery just matched up perfectly with Moore's deadpan one and he had a lot of good zingers.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    ForYourEyesOnly wrote: »
    My favourite is still Drax though. His droll delivery just matched up perfectly with Moore's deadpan one and he had a lot of good zingers.
    They were indeed great together, but then again I thought Moore had great exchanges with nearly all the villains (including Kananga, Scaramanga, Stromberg, Drax, Khan, Orlov and Zorin). It's only with Kristatos where I found it a bit too dull.
  • GBFGBF
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    QBranch wrote: »
    I have no problem with Kristatos- I liked how he was a more realistic villain in the vein of Greene. He could've had a few more memorable lines though, can't really think of any off the top of my head for him, except for the "they'll make appetizing bait" remark.

    I think what makes Kristatos better than Greene is that they did not really try to make more out of the character than there was. Greene also suffers a lot from his inefficacy. You jnow that he is the villain from the start but he never succeeds in anything he does. At least Kristatos manages to fool Bond by making him believe that Colombo is the real villain. Kristatos also beneifts from not having a fight sequence with a much superior Bond. I really felt sorry for Greene when he was bashed by Bond which is certainly not a good sign....
  • ForYourEyesOnlyForYourEyesOnly In the untained cradle of the heavens
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    Kristatos you could say is a different breed. If you exempted him, Stromberg was by far the weakest in terms of interaction with Moore. A bit anemic and not enough interaction time. Kananga is good but inconsistent; he changes his persona every time he encounters Bond. Orlov is decent but the "unhinged" aspect of his personality is a bit overplayed, in my opinion. A bit of the film's gravitas is lost every time I see Orlov.

    Drax and Khan were the best in my opinion. Just as suave as Bond himself but they had the lines to match and play off perfectly; they were pretty much Moore as the villain, which is why it was so entertaining. Scaramanga and Zorin come in next with a good blend of confidence, sheer evil and lively interactions with Bond. They'd be the best villains for any other Bond.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    ForYourEyesOnly wrote: »
    Kristatos you could say is a different breed. If you exempted him, Stromberg was by far the weakest in terms of interaction with Moore. A bit anemic and not enough interaction time. Kananga is good but inconsistent; he changes his persona every time he encounters Bond. Orlov is decent but the "unhinged" aspect of his personality is a bit overplayed, in my opinion. A bit of the film's gravitas is lost every time I see Orlov.

    Drax and Khan were the best in my opinion. Just as suave as Bond himself but they had the lines to match and play off perfectly; they were pretty much Moore as the villain, which is why it was so entertaining. Scaramanga and Zorin come in next with a good blend of confidence, sheer evil and lively interactions with Bond. They'd be the best villains for any other Bond.
    Good points and I agree mostly. I would add Scaramanga to the top of that list too though. I love Lee and Moore together, right from the first exchanges during the kick boxing.
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
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    ForYourEyesOnly wrote: »
    My biggest complaint is honestly the script and how it never left a chance for Bond and Kristatos to properly encounter each other again as enemies. It was always brief moments and Bond was always occupied talking to Melina instead.

    This is where Kristatos is let down. He never gets enough screen time as the villain.

    Half of his scenes he is playing an ally before the Colombo twist is revealed and then he only gets one proper Bond villain scene with Bond - the keelhauling. After that he never converses with Bond again.
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
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    GBF wrote: »
    I really felt sorry for Greene when he was bashed by Bond which is certainly not a good sign....
    Yeah, actually I kind of felt sorry for the little weasel too. When Bond left him in the desert standing there with his bottom lip shaking. He had me asking myself why I even care about him.
  • ForYourEyesOnlyForYourEyesOnly In the untained cradle of the heavens
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    TheWizardOfIce wrote: »
    ForYourEyesOnly wrote: »
    My biggest complaint is honestly the script and how it never left a chance for Bond and Kristatos to properly encounter each other again as enemies. It was always brief moments and Bond was always occupied talking to Melina instead.

    This is where Kristatos is let down. He never gets enough screen time as the villain.

    Half of his scenes he is playing an ally before the Colombo twist is revealed and then he only gets one proper Bond villain scene with Bond - the keelhauling. After that he never converses with Bond again.

    Yeah. A weakness of the film in general, I think. But that's also part of what makes FYEO a more realistic film without the excessive melodrama.
  • BAIN123BAIN123
    edited November 2017 Posts: 11,189
    bondjames wrote: »
    Thunderfinger wrote: »
    FoxRox wrote: »
    Does anyone else find the fight aboard the Disco Volante in TB to be somewhat humorous? To me the scene can be quite funny, between Bond going ape on all the guards + Largo and all of them trying to steer the boat away from the rocks while fighting. This frenetic scene makes me chuckle a little.

    It only lacks some Benny Hill music.
    I just visualized the scene as you suggested. I'm concerned that it's now going to be indelibly etched in my subconscious whenever I view it!

    Ever since hearing this music over the OHMSS beach-fight in a fan review I've never quite watched the scene in the same way.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    BAIN123 wrote: »
    Ever since hearing this music over the OHMSS beach-fight in a fan review I've never quite watched the scene in the same way.
    I can imagine. It's just such a raunchy and catchy tune that it overwhelms any other senses.
  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Per ora e per il momento che verrà
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    bondjames wrote: »
    Thunderfinger wrote: »
    FoxRox wrote: »
    Does anyone else find the fight aboard the Disco Volante in TB to be somewhat humorous? To me the scene can be quite funny, between Bond going ape on all the guards + Largo and all of them trying to steer the boat away from the rocks while fighting. This frenetic scene makes me chuckle a little.

    It only lacks some Benny Hill music.
    I just visualized the scene as you suggested. I'm concerned that it's now going to be indelibly etched in my subconscious whenever I view it!

    Is that from CR'67? Sure sounds like it.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    It is fom the warehouse fight in AVTAK:
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
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    Thunderfinger wrote: »
    It is fom the warehouse fight in AVTAK:
    Ha ha, are you saying the henchman with the hat who lays down on the conveyor belt for a nap looks like Benny Hill!
  • FoxRoxFoxRox
    edited November 2017 Posts: 12,284
    GBF wrote: »
    I find it hillarious as well. What was the intension of speeding up the sequence? I mean it looks so unnatural and cartoonish. And the Disco Volante is not a speed boat. And why does it always move in such strange ways?

    Bond himself also makes me laugh a lot in the scene, like repeatedly slamming the doors on the guard and trying to steer the wheel but getting blown to the ground by the boat hitting something. It just looks hilarious!
  • BAIN123BAIN123
    edited November 2017 Posts: 11,189
    The speeding up of film was often used in older movies to make sequences more exciting. Unfortunately it hasn't aged well and tends to look unintentionally funny now.
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
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    It's also an extension of the jump cuts from scene to scene used to move the story forward much faster than films of the day circa DR. NO. The filmmakers were testing the waters at a time their audience was loving it all.
  • GBFGBF
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    They showed that they were able to film and edit a great fight sequence in FRWL. Probably in TB, too much money was already spend for the mass of unnecessary characters and the spectacular underwater action so that they were unable to pay a competent choreographer for a decent fight sequence...
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    QBranch wrote: »
    Thunderfinger wrote: »
    It is fom the warehouse fight in AVTAK:
    Ha ha, are you saying the henchman with the hat who lays down on the conveyor belt for a nap looks like Benny Hill!

    He does act like him.
  • CommanderRossCommanderRoss The bottom of a pitch lake in Eastern Trinidad, place called La Brea
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    GBF wrote: »
    QBranch wrote: »
    I have no problem with Kristatos- I liked how he was a more realistic villain in the vein of Greene. He could've had a few more memorable lines though, can't really think of any off the top of my head for him, except for the "they'll make appetizing bait" remark.

    I think what makes Kristatos better than Greene is that they did not really try to make more out of the character than there was. Greene also suffers a lot from his inefficacy. You jnow that he is the villain from the start but he never succeeds in anything he does. At least Kristatos manages to fool Bond by making him believe that Colombo is the real villain. Kristatos also beneifts from not having a fight sequence with a much superior Bond. I really felt sorry for Greene when he was bashed by Bond which is certainly not a good sign....

    He doesn't when Bond and Camille get in his way. Up until then he seems to be doing fine. And he's obviously not the top, as he himself says to Medrano. Bond says it to Camille as well: 'So we'r both using Greene to get to someone'.

    I love that about QoS. Finally again Bond chasng ghosts, instead of caricaturised villains. At the end it isn't even clear he was after Ussef or White.
  • FoxRoxFoxRox
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    For what it’s worth, I like Kristatos and Greene as villains. They’re not in my personal favorites but above the bottom.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    FoxRox wrote: »
    For what it’s worth, I like Kristatos and Greene as villains. They’re not in my personal favorites but above the bottom.

    Kristatos may be a bit bland, but if push came to shove he would take out Greene with his infinitely better henchman.
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
    edited November 2017 Posts: 9,117
    Thunderfinger wrote: »
    FoxRox wrote: »
    For what it’s worth, I like Kristatos and Greene as villains. They’re not in my personal favorites but above the bottom.

    Kristatos may be a bit bland, but if push came to shove he would take out Greene with his infinitely better henchman.

    Infinitely?

    God knows Elvis is a joke but Kriegler is pretty awful.

    Not saying Elvis not going to get battered but 'infinitely' is very generous on Eric.

    I'll just stand here till my pants get blown off v I'll just stand here holding this heavy thing till I get knocked over then I'll keep rolling along this flat roof until I fall to my death.

    Both woeful although at least Eric is reasonably menacing in the ski scene.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    Yes, they are both pretty bad, but Kristatos also had Locque. If AK sent Loque and Kriegler after Greene, while Greene sent Elvis after Kristatos, where would you place your money?
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
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    Thunderfinger wrote: »
    Yes, they are both pretty bad, but Kristatos also had Locque. If AK sent Loque and Kriegler after Greene, while Greene sent Elvis after Kristatos, where would you place your money?

    If Kristatos sent Bibi you'd be in more danger than from Elvis.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    "Put on your clothes, and I will buy you a water resevoir."
  • CASINOROYALECASINOROYALE Somewhere hot
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    The Bibi scene was weird lol. She looks about 17 and Moore looks like he’s 50 plus.. So awkward.
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
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    Moore Bond handled that!
  • MinionMinion Don't Hassle the Bond
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    Are you all forgetting Charles Dance? That’s another notch in Kristatos’ favor.
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