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  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    echo wrote: »
    I recall that Lois Maxwell and Roger Moore made up some back story that they were once lovers but no longer. Something about the war.

    That's a better way, I think, for Bond and Moneypenny to go, I think, "Oops we were lovers and now we're co-workers" rather than have it be an ongoing "Will they or won't they?"

    I just think they need to go one of two ways in the new era. Either

    A they have or had an explicit relationship at one point so don't have the same boundries as regular colleges or

    B Its obvious they aren't actually attracted to each other (lesbian moneypenny maybe?) But they just like the banter.

    I don't think having a "will they won't they" dynamic works, I think it comes off a bit passe, like MP swooning and smelling the flower he gives her after he leaves.
  • 007HallY007HallY
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    I think a part of what makes the Moneypenny/Bond relationship work is how casual it is. There's also that understanding that Bond probably won't try it on with Moneypenny (doesn't she say a couple of times in the films words to the effect of 'you've never had me James' etc?).

    There have been films that've readapted the Bond/Moneypenny relationship. In GE she's a bit more scrappy and eye rolling towards Bond, but there's still that flirtatious undertone. Moneypenny in the Craig films seems less coy in her flirtatious banter with Bond (we even get the shaving scene in SF) which I guess gives her a bit more agency in that relationship, and of course she has a bigger role in those stories anyway. I don't think it has to be fundamentally changed, nor do I think it'll create any 'PC' issues (ultimately their flirting is pretty balanced and even in the older films I never got the sense it drifted into sexual harassment or anything like that).
  • DEKE_RIVERSDEKE_RIVERS
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    In the older films, it's MP who likes Bond, not the other way around. That's why it doesn't feel like sexual harassment.

  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    It wasn't sexual harassment in the old films, but certainly would be viewed as inappropriate in the office by modern standards.

    I just think that perhaps their dynamic was getting a bit tired with Harris/Craig, I think a different take could work well. Either they dated in the past, or are close friends, or MP is lesbian and the humour comes from how Bond still tries his luck.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited June 6 Posts: 18,209
    CraigBond does try it on with every female member of MI6 staff, or indeed British govt. we see him meet, apart from M. He doesn't know Nomi is Mi6 at first though, admittedly.
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
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    mtm wrote: »
    CraigBond does try it on with every female member of MI6 staff, or indeed British govt. we see him meet, apart from M. He doesn't know Nomi is Mi6 at first though, admittedly.

    And somehow he manages to stay away from SPECTRE...I mean the HR Department.
  • LudovicoLudovico
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    echo wrote: »
    I recall that Lois Maxwell and Roger Moore made up some back story that they were once lovers but no longer. Something about the war.

    That's a better way, I think, for Bond and Moneypenny to go, I think, "Oops we were lovers and now we're co-workers" rather than have it be an ongoing "Will they or won't they?"

    I am fairly sure it was a backstory invented by Lois Maxwell and Sean Connery. Which I always like to believe was "enacted" by Naomi Harris and Daniel Craig in SF.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
    edited June 6 Posts: 6,764
    Ludovico wrote: »
    echo wrote: »
    I recall that Lois Maxwell and Roger Moore made up some back story that they were once lovers but no longer. Something about the war.

    That's a better way, I think, for Bond and Moneypenny to go, I think, "Oops we were lovers and now we're co-workers" rather than have it be an ongoing "Will they or won't they?"

    I am fairly sure it was a backstory invented by Lois Maxwell and Sean Connery. Which I always like to believe was "enacted" by Naomi Harris and Daniel Craig in SF.

    I can't remember if it was Connery or Moore, but the intention was a relationship (to some degree) in the past.

    It was nice to see Maxwell's Moneypenny age alongside Moore (Moneypenny dressed up at Ascot is surely one of the highlights of AVTAK). I don't think they'd do that nowadays and would keep recasting Moneypenny as younger.
  • FrankXavierFrankXavier
    edited June 6 Posts: 716
    007HallY wrote: »
    I think a part of what makes the Moneypenny/Bond relationship work is how casual it is. There's also that understanding that Bond probably won't try it on with Moneypenny (doesn't she say a couple of times in the films words to the effect of 'you've never had me James' etc?).
    She definitely said that in GE. ;)

  • LudovicoLudovico
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    echo wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    echo wrote: »
    I recall that Lois Maxwell and Roger Moore made up some back story that they were once lovers but no longer. Something about the war.

    That's a better way, I think, for Bond and Moneypenny to go, I think, "Oops we were lovers and now we're co-workers" rather than have it be an ongoing "Will they or won't they?"

    I am fairly sure it was a backstory invented by Lois Maxwell and Sean Connery. Which I always like to believe was "enacted" by Naomi Harris and Daniel Craig in SF.

    I can't remember if it was Connery or Moore, but the intention was a relationship (to some degree) in the past.

    It was nice to see Maxwell's Moneypenny age alongside Moore (Moneypenny dressed up at Ascot is surely one of the highlights of AVTAK). I don't think they'd do that nowadays and would keep recasting Moneypenny as younger.

    That's partially why I think, of all the characters making the "MI6 cast", Moneypenny is the most likely to be recast. And probably Bill Tanner too.
  • CrabKeyCrabKey
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    We don't need a lesbian Moneypenny. A Moneypenny and Bond who enjoy a playful, platonic relationship is fine. Sexual harassment is something quite different.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    I dipped into a playlist of old Calvin videos on the production of Bond 25, Danny Boyle getting hired and bringing on John Hodge, the optimism around each new release date. Some went back all the way to 2018, and it's funny how in that time cinema has changed so much. At the time The Last Jedi or Solo was the most recent Star Wars film, Fallen Kingdom was the most recent Jurassic movie. The industry was a very different place, there was no pandemic, the release windows were still 3-4 months, streaming hadn't taking over yet, AI was just a farfetched Sci fi concept etc. Considering Bond 25 was completely locked and finished by October 2019, it going to feel like such a Quantum leap (if you pardon the pun) when Bond 26 hits cinemas. Remember, it's still extremely early days, no film is even in development yet and once writers are hired it's still likely going to be 3 years before we actually see the results, which means we could be looking at 8 - 9 years between filming. I just think it will be really obvious in the clothes, the styles, the tech, the underlying politics to the story, that this is a completely new frontier for the series. That's without taking into account we'll have a whole new cast and crew from scratch with a completely different mentality and set of priorities. My only question is, is there an official starting gun or sign that development has kicked off, or does it all take place behind the scenes? I know hiring writers is the first step officially, but I assume a lot of meetings and discussions have to take place before names are even considered?
  • SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ Lekki, Lagos, Nigeria
    edited June 9 Posts: 2,648
    Mendes4Lyfe wrote: »
    I dipped into a playlist of old Calvin videos on the production of Bond 25, Danny Boyle getting hired and bringing on John Hodge, the optimism around each new release date. Some went back all the way to 2018, and it's funny how in that time cinema has changed so much. At the time The Last Jedi or Solo was the most recent Star Wars film, Fallen Kingdom was the most recent Jurassic movie. The industry was a very different place, there was no pandemic, the release windows were still 3-4 months, streaming hadn't taking over yet, AI was just a farfetched Sci fi concept etc. Considering Bond 25 was completely locked and finished by October 2019, it going to feel like such a Quantum leap (if you pardon the pun) when Bond 26 hits cinemas. Remember, it's still extremely early days, no film is even in development yet and once writers are hired it's still likely going to be 3 years before we actually see the results, which means we could be looking at 8 - 9 years between filming. I just think it will be really obvious in the clothes, the styles, the tech, the underlying politics to the story, that this is a completely new frontier for the series. That's without taking into account we'll have a whole new cast and crew from scratch with a completely different mentality and set of priorities. My only question is, is there an official starting gun or sign that development has kicked off, or does it all take place behind the scenes? I know hiring writers is the first step officially, but I assume a lot of meetings and discussions have to take place before names are even considered?

    I think anything can be announced out of the silence, as EON handing over to Amazon taught us. Since they've announced the producers, discussions are definitely ongoing. Once they all agree on an idea, they'll announce something.

    Oh, and @Mendes4Lyfe It's No Time To Die not Bond 25 I'm not the biggest fan of NTTD, but c'mon, it's an official Bond film :)
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    I've heard some people say the producers still need to finish work on their other projects first. Perhaps thats means Bond 26 will remain in the pipeline until Spiderman 4 is completed with its production.
  • dewiparrydewiparry
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    MCU Spider-Man 4! I'm getting confused with all these numbers4days, hehe. That release date is 31 July 2026 (UK). When's First Light coming out?
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    dewiparry wrote: »
    MCU Spider-Man 4! I'm getting confused with all these numbers4days, hehe. That release date is 31 July 2026 (UK). When's First Light coming out?

    Just 2026 at the moment. But I don't think the film has to be released before Pascal can start Bond, just more or less wrapped, no more reshoots etc.
  • SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ Lekki, Lagos, Nigeria
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    Mendes4Lyfe wrote: »
    dewiparry wrote: »
    MCU Spider-Man 4! I'm getting confused with all these numbers4days, hehe. That release date is 31 July 2026 (UK). When's First Light coming out?

    Just 2026 at the moment. But I don't think the film has to be released before Pascal can start Bond, just more or less wrapped, no more reshoots etc.

    They'll announce something soon. Just begin to believe :)
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ wrote: »
    Mendes4Lyfe wrote: »
    dewiparry wrote: »
    MCU Spider-Man 4! I'm getting confused with all these numbers4days, hehe. That release date is 31 July 2026 (UK). When's First Light coming out?

    Just 2026 at the moment. But I don't think the film has to be released before Pascal can start Bond, just more or less wrapped, no more reshoots etc.

    They'll announce something soon. Just begin to believe :)

    Glad for the optimism, but I can't say I share it unfortunately. :)
  • HitchBondUSAHitchBondUSA USA
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    I'm guessing we will hear something by the end of the year on Bond 26
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    HitchBondUSA wrote: »
    I'm guessing we will hear something by the end of the year on Bond 26

    Love the optimism. Just seems like things have been shuttered for the time being.
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