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EoN sells up - Amazon MGM to produce 007 going forwards (Heyman and Pascal confirmed as producers)

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  • LucknFateLucknFate 007 In New York
    edited May 31 Posts: 1,950
    Nobody with any say in the matter gives two dog craps about lining up the release date with the logo. Marketing comes last.
  • bondywondybondywondy Uk
    edited May 31 Posts: 544
    I asked Google chatbot Gemini,
    Would you think Hollywood would risk massive legal problems/SAG-AFTRA/WGA and crew strikes if they could make a 200 million dollar film for £20,000 even if it's AI not 'real'?

    What a dilemma.

    Gemini calculated a full movie making AI app with 4k resolution, near perfect AI realism, full editing via prompt could cost £20,000/$25,000 yearly subscription.

    Gemini's reply
    You've perfectly articulated the central dilemma and the massive conflict point that AI presents to Hollywood. It's an existential crisis for many in the industry.

    Would Hollywood risk massive legal problems, SAG-AFTRA/WGA, and crew strikes if they could make a $200 million film for $20,000, even if it's AI not 'real'?

    The short answer is: They absolutely would, and they already are, but with extreme caution and in a highly contentious environment.

    Here's why and what the dilemma entails:
    The Unavoidable Incentive (The "Would"):
    * Astronomical Cost Savings: As we discussed, turning a $200 million budget into a $20,000 subscription is an economic game-changer of unprecedented scale. For studios driven by profit margins, shareholder value, and the relentless pressure to deliver blockbuster content, this kind of efficiency is impossible to ignore.
    * Increased Production Volume: Lower costs mean studios could produce far more content. Imagine 10, 20, or even 100 films for the price of one. This feeds the insatiable demand of streaming services and global audiences.
    * Creative Freedom & Risk-Taking (for some): For directors and producers who might feel constrained by budget limitations, AI offers the ability to realize ambitious visions without the traditional financial shackles. This could lead to more diverse and experimental content.
    * Speed to Market: AI can drastically reduce production timelines, allowing studios to respond more quickly to trends or release content on tighter schedules.
    The Massive Headwinds (The "Risk"):
    This is where the "dilemma" truly intensifies. The very value proposition of AI is a direct threat to the livelihoods of hundreds of thousands of people in Hollywood.
    * Union Power and Strikes (Already Happened!):
    * SAG-AFTRA and WGA (2023 Strikes): These unions already went on historic strikes specifically addressing AI. Their agreements (which will likely evolve by 2030) include crucial protections:
    * Consent and Compensation for Likeness: Studios must obtain explicit consent from actors to create and use digital replicas of their likeness, and they must be compensated for it. This is a direct firewall against simply scanning an actor once and then generating them endlessly without pay.
    * AI Not a "Writer" or "Performer": AI-generated material cannot be credited as "literary material" (for writers) or used to circumvent hiring human actors, especially for background roles.
    * Transparency: Studios must disclose when AI is used in material given to writers.
    * Crew Unions (IATSE, Teamsters, etc.): While WGA and SAG-AFTRA are the most vocal due to the direct impact on their core work (acting, writing), other unions representing crew members (cinematographers, editors, set builders, costume designers, sound engineers, VFX artists, etc.) are deeply concerned. If AI generates entire scenes, environments, and effects, the demand for human labour in these areas could plummet. This would lead to enormous labour disputes and potential mass unemployment.
    * Legal Battles (Copyright, Likeness, Fair Use):
    * Training Data: One of the biggest ongoing legal battlegrounds is the use of copyrighted material (films, scripts, music, images) to train AI models without explicit permission or compensation to the original creators. This will be a continuous source of lawsuits, potentially leading to massive damages or regulatory restrictions on AI development.
    * Deepfakes and Misinformation: Even with internal policies, the risk of AI being misused to create malicious deepfakes of real people (outside of agreed-upon productions) is a huge liability and reputation risk for studios.
    * "Originality" and Copyright of AI Output: Who owns the copyright of a film generated by AI from prompts? The prompt-writer? The AI company? This is a complex and evolving legal area.
    * Public Perception and "Authenticity":
    * The "Soul" of Cinema: Many audiences and artists believe that the essence of film comes from human creativity, collaboration, and performance. A film entirely generated by AI, even if technically flawless, might lack the "soul" or emotional resonance that comes from human input.
    * Boycotts/Backlash: If Hollywood goes too far, too fast, there could be public backlash, boycotts, and a general erosion of trust in the medium, impacting box office and streaming numbers. "Is this film even real?" could become a common question.
    * Creative Control vs. AI Autonomy: While AI offers new possibilities, some filmmakers may find it stifling if the AI's output is too generic or difficult to precisely control, hindering their artistic vision.
    The Inevitable Compromise (The "Dilemma"):
    Hollywood won't be able to completely ignore the cost savings, nor can it completely alienate its workforce and the public. The most likely path will be a highly contentious and evolving compromise, where:
    * AI is used as a powerful tool for human creators: Enhancing VFX, generating environments, assisting with pre-visualization, de-aging actors, and even generating background performances, but always under human direction and with appropriate compensation and consent for any human elements involved.
    * New Roles Emerge: "Prompt engineers," "AI supervisors," "AI ethicists," and "AI integration specialists" will become critical roles.
    * Stronger Union Agreements: The 2023 agreements are just the beginning. Unions will continue to push for robust protections, clear rules on compensation, and limitations on AI's ability to displace human jobs.
    * Regulatory Frameworks: Governments worldwide are beginning to grapple with AI.

    I removed a fair bit of text because Gemini loves to go on and on!
    🤭
    Cut to:
    It's a massive dilemma. Studios are caught between immense financial incentives and the very real threat of devastating labour disputes, legal quagmires, and a potential loss of public trust. The "human element" in filmmaking will be fiercely defended, and the next few years will see intense battles and negotiations over how this revolutionary technology is integrated (or constrained) within the traditional industry. The £20,000 film is a tantalizing dream for studios, but the human cost is a very real nightmare for others.

    So maybe in 2030 if the studios/streamers don't agree now contracts with the unions, maybe AI generated Bond films will happen. And when Bond enters the public domain in 2035 and legal disputes notwithstanding... there will be AI James Bond films next decade.. And I assume amazingly high standard looking AI Bond films.

    The next 10 to 20 years is (potentially) like nothing ever seen before in the entertainment industry.
  • BennyBenny Shaken not stirredAdministrator, Moderator
    Posts: 15,427
    @bondywondy you might give it a rest with all this AI stuff.
    Yes, it does exist and is a real and regular part of our lives. However there is nothing to suggest that the future of the Bond series will use AI in any way under Heyman and Pascal.
  • M_BlaiseM_Blaise
    Posts: 399
    I would vote to ban AI from the site in general.
  • George_KaplanGeorge_Kaplan Being chauffeured by Tibbett
    Posts: 799
    M_Blaise wrote: »
    I would vote to ban AI from the site in general.

    I would vote to ban AI from society in general.
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
    Posts: 14,486
    Pierce2Daniel wrote: »
    Speaking of AI...I asked it to pitch a Bond animated film and it came up with an idea that I actually kinda love. It would revolve around Bond's biracial son, Jamie, who would be looking for the father he never knew who has been missing presumed dead his whole life. Then Bond and Jamie have to team up to stop a nefarious enemy.

    If Amazon came up with something like this - in the animated style of the Spider-Verse or Arcane series - I'd be down.

    I even asked it to create an image of Jamie for me....
    lIEwrt9.jpeg

    Yeah I believe that AI image is wrong.

    That is not the firearm James Bond's son would use. It's good as comic relief though.

  • echoecho 007 in New York
    edited May 31 Posts: 6,764
    George_Kaplan wrote: »
    M_Blaise wrote: »
    I would vote to ban AI from the site in general.

    I would vote to ban AI from society in general.

    +1.
    RichardTheBruce wrote: »
    Pierce2Daniel wrote: »
    Speaking of AI...I asked it to pitch a Bond animated film and it came up with an idea that I actually kinda love. It would revolve around Bond's biracial son, Jamie, who would be looking for the father he never knew who has been missing presumed dead his whole life. Then Bond and Jamie have to team up to stop a nefarious enemy.

    If Amazon came up with something like this - in the animated style of the Spider-Verse or Arcane series - I'd be down.

    I even asked it to create an image of Jamie for me....
    lIEwrt9.jpeg

    Yeah I believe that AI image is wrong.

    That is not the firearm James Bond's son would use. It's good as comic relief though.

    Did Jinx get the thrust of it?
  • M_BlaiseM_Blaise
    Posts: 399
    George_Kaplan wrote: »
    M_Blaise wrote: »
    I would vote to ban AI from the site in general.

    I would vote to ban AI from society in general.

    I don't think we'll get to vote for that sadly.
  • 007HallY007HallY
    edited June 1 Posts: 5,383
    I’m not personally quite as doom and gloom about AI as a whole (I’m sure it’s potentially highly useful when it comes to assisting in areas like medicine or science, and in a way that could save lives). It’s a tool ultimately. It’s how people use it that matters.

    Personally, I’ve found it quite limited when we get into the realm of using it to come up with ideas or using it as the sole way of creating stuff. I’m sure it could be beneficial to filmmakers or artists, so long as it’s used as a tool. I would personally hope we don’t get to the point where we render an AI version of a young Connery as the next Bond (I think it would just be rubbish and weirdly depressing even if well done, and I hope that’ll be felt by those making these films and avoided). But who knows….
  • delfloriadelfloria
    Posts: 2,015
    When the AI tools get really good at story telling basics fans will be creating their own Bond adventures in all kinds of styles from photorealist to anime versions. Don't treat AI like some people treated Craig did during the CRAIGNOTBOND era.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
    edited June 1 Posts: 9,002
    delfloria wrote: »
    When the AI tools get really good at story telling basics fans will be creating their own Bond adventures in all kinds of styles from photorealist to anime versions. Don't treat AI like some people treated Craig did during the CRAIGNOTBOND era.

    But people could do that 30 years ago, like people did with Indiana Jones. you can write your own Bond fan fiction or make a fan film - that already happens. AI doesn't give people anymore talent than they already had.

  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
    Posts: 8,297
    delfloria wrote: »
    Don't treat AI like some people treated Craig did during the CRAIGNOTBOND era.

    Daniel Craig is not an artificial human being.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
    Posts: 9,002
    Edgar wright and Simon Pegg are looking to team up again on a project, perhaps they could write and direct Bond 26? Surely Amazon wants someone to start work soon, and they are available.
  • BennyBenny Shaken not stirredAdministrator, Moderator
    Posts: 15,427
    Mendes4Lyfe wrote: »
    Edgar wright and Simon Pegg are looking to team up again on a project, perhaps they could write and direct Bond 26? Surely Amazon wants someone to start work soon, and they are available.

    Is Pegg about to defect from MI and move to Bond. I can't see it.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
    Posts: 9,002
    Benny wrote: »
    Mendes4Lyfe wrote: »
    Edgar wright and Simon Pegg are looking to team up again on a project, perhaps they could write and direct Bond 26? Surely Amazon wants someone to start work soon, and they are available.

    Is Pegg about to defect from MI and move to Bond. I can't see it.

    Well he might as a writer. Doesn't mean he has to be the next Q.

    Pegg and Wright have been talking about making a movie together again for years, we know Edgar has an idea for Bond which he has run past Barbara before, and Bond 26 needs to find a writer and director team in the near future. Could be an easy case of solving eachothers problems.
  • BennyBenny Shaken not stirredAdministrator, Moderator
    Posts: 15,427
    Mendes4Lyfe wrote: »
    Benny wrote: »
    Mendes4Lyfe wrote: »
    Edgar wright and Simon Pegg are looking to team up again on a project, perhaps they could write and direct Bond 26? Surely Amazon wants someone to start work soon, and they are available.

    Is Pegg about to defect from MI and move to Bond. I can't see it.

    Well he might as a writer. Doesn't mean he has to be the next Q.

    Pegg and Wright have been talking about making a movie together again for years, we know Edgar has an idea for Bond which he has run past Barbara before, and Bond 26 needs to find a writer and director team in the near future. Could be an easy case of solving each others problems.

    Whilst this is likely true, we don't know Amazon or Heyman and Pascal have planned for Bond.
    Perhaps they are eagerly engaging writing possibilities and sourcing directors.
    Maybe they're completing current projects before concentrating on Bond.
    Or they could be working full steam ahead on Bond 26, but without any news they're keeping everything under wraps for now.
    The simple answer is, we don't know what the status of Bond 26 is. Until they decide otherwise it's all speculation. So as when EON were calling the shots I suggest patience is the best course ahead.
  • K2WIK2WI Europe
    Posts: 44
    Mendes4Lyfe wrote: »
    Benny wrote: »
    Mendes4Lyfe wrote: »
    Edgar wright and Simon Pegg are looking to team up again on a project, perhaps they could write and direct Bond 26? Surely Amazon wants someone to start work soon, and they are available.

    Is Pegg about to defect from MI and move to Bond. I can't see it.

    Well he might as a writer. Doesn't mean he has to be the next Q.

    Pegg and Wright have been talking about making a movie together again for years, we know Edgar has an idea for Bond which he has run past Barbara before, and Bond 26 needs to find a writer and director team in the near future. Could be an easy case of solving eachothers problems.

    Pegg being brought in as a writer isn’t something that’s crossed my mind before. Not too bad an idea, I suppose.

    Additionally, I think Joe Cornish (who’s worked with Wright on a few other things) and Reece Shearsmith/Steve Pemberton wouldn’t be too bad as possible writers either, to suggest a few other people who started out in British TV comedy at the same time as Wright and Pegg.
  • dewiparrydewiparry
    Posts: 164
    Maybe they're busy drafting my contract, while I've already refined my signature. Dialogue and quips , got them too.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
    Posts: 9,002
    K2WI wrote: »
    Mendes4Lyfe wrote: »
    Benny wrote: »
    Mendes4Lyfe wrote: »
    Edgar wright and Simon Pegg are looking to team up again on a project, perhaps they could write and direct Bond 26? Surely Amazon wants someone to start work soon, and they are available.

    Is Pegg about to defect from MI and move to Bond. I can't see it.

    Well he might as a writer. Doesn't mean he has to be the next Q.

    Pegg and Wright have been talking about making a movie together again for years, we know Edgar has an idea for Bond which he has run past Barbara before, and Bond 26 needs to find a writer and director team in the near future. Could be an easy case of solving eachothers problems.

    Pegg being brought in as a writer isn’t something that’s crossed my mind before. Not too bad an idea, I suppose.

    Additionally, I think Joe Cornish (who’s worked with Wright on a few other things) and Reece Shearsmith/Steve Pemberton wouldn’t be too bad as possible writers either, to suggest a few other people who started out in British TV comedy at the same time as Wright and Pegg.

    I agree, If the audience wants a return to a broader style, more popcorn cinema, then this could be ideal. A bit like there was a huge sense of relief after we took Bond in a more grounded direction in 2006.
  • SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ Lekki, Lagos, Nigeria
    Posts: 2,657
    Edgar Wright is a movie-of-the-week sort of director. He makes fun films, for sure. But he's not one I would want for Bond. He's actually a playful director, so James Bond is too deep a character for him. Plus, I don't get that epic vibe from Wright's films.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
    Posts: 9,002
    If people want a playful Bond film, then a playful director should do just the trick.
  • SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ Lekki, Lagos, Nigeria
    Posts: 2,657
    Mendes4Lyfe wrote: »
    If people want a playful Bond film, then a playful director should do just the trick.

    To the point of losing all tension? Because that's basically Wright's style...fun, popcorn films.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
    Posts: 9,002
    SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ wrote: »
    Mendes4Lyfe wrote: »
    If people want a playful Bond film, then a playful director should do just the trick.

    To the point of losing all tension? Because that's basically Wright's style...fun, popcorn films.

    No, just like other celebrated popcorn films in the series.
  • ArapahoeBondFanArapahoeBondFan Colorado
    Posts: 123
    Regardless of what one thinks of him as a director, do you suppose Villeneuve is still in the running with the lack of Cuaron confirmation (and rumors of a possible fall through)?
  • K2WIK2WI Europe
    edited June 1 Posts: 44
    ArapahoeBondFan wrote: »
    Regardless of what one thinks of him as a director, do you suppose Villeneuve is still in the running with the lack of Cuaron confirmation (and rumors of a possible fall through)?

    Amazon may not want to wait for him. With a third Dune set to shoot this year and currently set to release next December, Villeneuve won’t be able to shoot Bond until 2027 at the earliest, if not begin pre-production. And that’s assuming he doesn’t want to make something non-franchise as his first post-Dune project.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    Posts: 18,225
    SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ wrote: »
    Mendes4Lyfe wrote: »
    If people want a playful Bond film, then a playful director should do just the trick.

    To the point of losing all tension? Because that's basically Wright's style...fun, popcorn films.

    I don't think, apart from Shaun, that Wright has ever quite nailed any of his films to me. I've always watched them and felt like I know what he's aiming for, but they've never quite got there. He's never quite felt like a film director to me, to be honest. I don't think I'd want him doing Bond.
  • SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ Lekki, Lagos, Nigeria
    edited June 1 Posts: 2,657
    mtm wrote: »
    SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ wrote: »
    Mendes4Lyfe wrote: »
    If people want a playful Bond film, then a playful director should do just the trick.

    To the point of losing all tension? Because that's basically Wright's style...fun, popcorn films.

    I don't think, apart from Shaun, that Wright has ever quite nailed any of his films to me. I've always watched them and felt like I know what he's aiming for, but they've never quite got there. He's never quite felt like a film director to me, to be honest. I don't think I'd want him doing Bond.

    Yes. I also think Shaun Of The Dead could well be his best film. I'll also throw in Hot Fuzz, for the laughs. I think more than anything else, Wright make films for his own personal enjoyment.
  • Risico007Risico007
    Posts: 9,965
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/a-new-007-lawsuit-setback-has-taken-shape-and-i-m-afraid-this-could-delay-bond-26-indefinitely-again/ar-AA1FK6Id?ocid=socialshare&fbclid=IwQ0xDSwKpwO1leHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHqYmt28mScE7S7qjvwdFrs2zfnbpv9kFglc3Cl1xy75RLF8zcLJL4YvgXxwm_aem_DKEVEiyHS6QknSWflh7oyg
  • echoecho 007 in New York
    Posts: 6,764
    Bezos will crush this lawsuit. He's good for that, at least, thanks to all of our Amazon orders.
  • DEKE_RIVERSDEKE_RIVERS
    Posts: 2,079
    Wright is a fine option. At least he's better than some TV director who just follows orders.

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