EoN sells up - Amazon MGM to produce 007 going forwards (Heyman and Pascal confirmed as producers)

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  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
    edited June 2 Posts: 9,002
    Wright is a fine option. At least he's better than some TV director who just follows orders.

    People just have a hard time conceptualizing returning to a more playful style. It was the same in 2005, people would say you can't make a Bond film without gadgets, one liners, Q, moneypenny etc. We naturally err on the side of the status quo.
  • SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ Lekki, Lagos, Nigeria
    edited June 2 Posts: 2,656
    Moore's Bond was playful. But his films still had that grand and serious feel around his lighter approach. I don't think Edgar Wright can make a film like The Spy Who Loved Me. There are lots of directors out there who can make a lighter Bond film, without forgetting the film's plot needs to be intense.
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    Moore's Bond was playful. But his films still had that grand and serious feel around his lighter approach. I don't think Edgar Wright can make a film like The Spy Who Loved Me. There are lots of directors out there who can make a lighter Bond film, without forgetting the film's plot needs to be intense.

    To be fair, I don't expect another TSWLM either.

    If he brings something fresh, it is welcome.
  • SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ Lekki, Lagos, Nigeria
    Posts: 2,656
    Moore's Bond was playful. But his films still had that grand and serious feel around his lighter approach. I don't think Edgar Wright can make a film like The Spy Who Loved Me. There are lots of directors out there who can make a lighter Bond film, without forgetting the film's plot needs to be intense.

    To be fair, I don't expect another TSWLM either.

    If he brings something fresh, it is welcome.

    Edgar Wright is a music video/commercial director in disguise.
  • LucknFateLucknFate 007 In New York
    Posts: 1,950
    Moore's Bond was playful. But his films still had that grand and serious feel around his lighter approach. I don't think Edgar Wright can make a film like The Spy Who Loved Me. There are lots of directors out there who can make a lighter Bond film, without forgetting the film's plot needs to be intense.

    To be fair, I don't expect another TSWLM either.

    If he brings something fresh, it is welcome.

    Edgar Wright is a music video/commercial director in disguise.

    Daniel Kelinman, David Fincher, Michael Bay, and the Scott brothers all started in commercials. Commercial directors are often very talented. I don't see what dig you were trying to make as you must not be aware of the background of many directors....
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    I'm not really sold on Wright if I'm honest just based on his previous work. Beyond the Corneto trilogy I've never really been impressed with him. He's a talented director no doubt, but I'm not sure if he'd be able to pull off Bond, even if it's a return to a Gilbert style film (I think Gilbert was a far more mature director than Wright was anyway, and as is the case with any director I don't think we'll fully get the film we envision from them). Happy to be proven wrong though.
  • SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ Lekki, Lagos, Nigeria
    edited June 2 Posts: 2,656
    LucknFate wrote: »
    Moore's Bond was playful. But his films still had that grand and serious feel around his lighter approach. I don't think Edgar Wright can make a film like The Spy Who Loved Me. There are lots of directors out there who can make a lighter Bond film, without forgetting the film's plot needs to be intense.

    To be fair, I don't expect another TSWLM either.

    If he brings something fresh, it is welcome.

    Edgar Wright is a music video/commercial director in disguise.

    Daniel Kelinman, David Fincher, Michael Bay, and the Scott brothers all started in commercials. Commercial directors are often very talented. I don't see what dig you were trying to make as you must not be aware of the background of many directors....

    Yikes! This sounds like an unnecessary attack. Ok, as a general lover of arts, I'm very much aware of the backgrounds of Kleinman, Fincher, Bay, Tony, Ridley, Fuqua, Snyder, Adrian Layne, Simon West, etc. That said, we know this guys know how to shoot different angles in very stylistic ways. The thing is, visually they win. Apart from Kleinman who isn't a film director, as seen above...Fincher, Ridley and possibly Tony & Layne are the only ones who really care about their stories. Fuqua handled the story well in Training Day, though.
    This means most directors who come from music videos and commercials, just set out to deliver eye-popping entertainment. There's nothing wrong with it. It's in their nature. It's their thing. They can't resist being stylish with every single shot. But I don't think their style fits into Bond's world.
    Or do you want Bond walking in slow motion in a long corridor, with Gregorian chants playing...with his hair and suit blown by wind, as he draws out his PPK...all in a dutch angle shot?
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    I've noticed the idea has been brought up on these forums that Bond films should be more 'auteur' driven going forward, especially in the post EON era. Ie. we'll get an 'Edgar Wright' Bond film, and maybe a 'Christopher Nolan' one, and then a Cuaron one etc. Presumably this means a lot more creative freedom for these individuals too.

    I'm not saying directors shouldn't have a lot of creative freedom with Bond (they certainly did under the modern EON films all things considered), nor am I against big name directors. But I think Bond should be bigger than the director ultimately, and I'm not sure in practice we'll get good results with every individual director in that scenario (or at least we could get too many misfires).
  • LucknFateLucknFate 007 In New York
    edited June 2 Posts: 1,950
    LucknFate wrote: »
    Moore's Bond was playful. But his films still had that grand and serious feel around his lighter approach. I don't think Edgar Wright can make a film like The Spy Who Loved Me. There are lots of directors out there who can make a lighter Bond film, without forgetting the film's plot needs to be intense.

    To be fair, I don't expect another TSWLM either.

    If he brings something fresh, it is welcome.

    Edgar Wright is a music video/commercial director in disguise.

    Daniel Kelinman, David Fincher, Michael Bay, and the Scott brothers all started in commercials. Commercial directors are often very talented. I don't see what dig you were trying to make as you must not be aware of the background of many directors....

    Yikes! This sounds like an unnecessary attack. Ok, as a general lover of arts, I'm very much aware of the backgrounds of Kleinman, Fincher, Bay, Tony, Ridley, Fuqua, Snyder, Adrian Layne, Simon West, etc. That said, we know this guys know how to shoot different angles in very stylistic ways. The thing is, visually they win. Apart from Kleinman who isn't a film director, as seen above...Fincher, Ridley and possibly Tony & Layne are the only ones who really care about their stories. Fuqua handled the story well in Training Day, though.
    This means most directors who come from music videos and commercials, just set out to deliver eye-popping entertainment. There's nothing wrong with it. It's in their nature. It's their thing. They can't resist being stylish with every single shot. But I don't think their style fits into Bond's world.
    Or do you want Bond walking in slow motion in a long corridor, with Gregorian chants playing...with his hair and suit blown by wind, as he draws out his PPK...all in a dutch angle shot?

    Did not mean it as an attack, you just didn't make a clear argument. Also, here you basically just described the opening of Skyfall to me. So, point still unclear.

    I don't mean to defend Wright as a Bond director, I also don't think he'd be quite right for the job, at least not leading the first outing. I could see him following up someone else's successful vision, but it wouldn't be my first or third choice.
  • edited June 2 Posts: 2,079
    If they want to improve their game, a major director is almost the only way.

    Sure, they can make Brosnan/Marvel-style films again but it would be unambitious.
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    Well, not everyone cares about directors, and Bond will often overshadow the name.

    Like I said back in 2023 with Oppenheimer - I personally know people who have little idea who Nolan is and went to see that film. It’d be the same if he or someone like him did Bond.
  • SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ Lekki, Lagos, Nigeria
    Posts: 2,656
    LucknFate wrote: »
    LucknFate wrote: »
    Moore's Bond was playful. But his films still had that grand and serious feel around his lighter approach. I don't think Edgar Wright can make a film like The Spy Who Loved Me. There are lots of directors out there who can make a lighter Bond film, without forgetting the film's plot needs to be intense.

    To be fair, I don't expect another TSWLM either.

    If he brings something fresh, it is welcome.

    Edgar Wright is a music video/commercial director in disguise.

    Daniel Kelinman, David Fincher, Michael Bay, and the Scott brothers all started in commercials. Commercial directors are often very talented. I don't see what dig you were trying to make as you must not be aware of the background of many directors....

    Yikes! This sounds like an unnecessary attack. Ok, as a general lover of arts, I'm very much aware of the backgrounds of Kleinman, Fincher, Bay, Tony, Ridley, Fuqua, Snyder, Adrian Layne, Simon West, etc. That said, we know this guys know how to shoot different angles in very stylistic ways. The thing is, visually they win. Apart from Kleinman who isn't a film director, as seen above...Fincher, Ridley and possibly Tony & Layne are the only ones who really care about their stories. Fuqua handled the story well in Training Day, though.
    This means most directors who come from music videos and commercials, just set out to deliver eye-popping entertainment. There's nothing wrong with it. It's in their nature. It's their thing. They can't resist being stylish with every single shot. But I don't think their style fits into Bond's world.
    Or do you want Bond walking in slow motion in a long corridor, with Gregorian chants playing...with his hair and suit blown by wind, as he draws out his PPK...all in a dutch angle shot?

    Did not mean it as an attack, you just didn't make a clear argument. Also, here you basically just described the opening of Skyfall to me. So, point still unclear.

    I don't mean to defend Wright as a Bond director, I also don't think he'd be quite right for the job, at least not leading the first outing. I could see him following up someone else's successful vision, but it wouldn't be my first or third choice.

    Ok. Misunderstood you, then. Sorry about that. Oh, the opening of SF is far from what I mentioned, though. The opening of SF is stylish, yes. But it's more subtle, than what I mentioned above.
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    The late great Alan Parker was also a commercials director, you wouldn't really think it from his output!
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    007HallY wrote: »
    Well, not everyone cares about directors, and Bond will often overshadow the name.

    Like I said back in 2023 with Oppenheimer - I personally know people who have little idea who Nolan is and went to see that film. It’d be the same if he or someone like him did Bond.

    I agree with your views here. See the bigger picture!
    The last Bond film had to switch directors anyway.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited June 2 Posts: 18,225
    Okay, here's a question I had which is now answered: the new Bond game has been unveiled as '007 First Light', and in the blurb is the first time I've seen the new credits: where it used to be 'James Bond 007 is used under license from Danjaq LLC', now it says 'James Bond, 007 and related James Bond trademarks... under license from Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer Studios Inc.'

    As far as I know, this is first bit of non-Eon James Bond property.
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    That would make sense. Nice to see some news about the game too! I like the title!
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    Could be a coincidence but Talk Of The Devil got released last week and, this week, Hot Toys and IOI release upcoming product news on the same day. Is this a coordinated effort? If it is, do we get some kind of Bond 26 update this week or the next? Rhetorical questions of course, but fun coincidence if that’s all it is.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited June 2 Posts: 18,225
    Yeah it's a good point, the beginning of this week may have been a date from which licensees could use their licence. Don't forget also announcements from La La Land and a new Felix book from IFP last week too.
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    mtm wrote: »
    Okay, here's a question I had which is now answered: the new Bond game has been unveiled as '007 First Light', and in the blurb is the first time I've seen the new credits: where it used to be 'James Bond 007 is used under license from Danjaq LLC', now it says 'James Bond, 007 and related James Bond trademarks... under license from Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer Studios Inc.'

    As far as I know, this is first bit of non-Eon James Bond property.

    Good catch. I also noticed a change in the logos used.

    In the original Project 007 teaser, it ended with logos for IOI, MGM, EON, and Delphi.



    However, on the new site launched today, MGM and EON's logos were replaced collectively with the wordmark for "Amazon MGM Studios." No reference to EON at all.

    https://ioi.dk/007firstlightgame

    Makes sense I suppose, but still strange and a bit sad to see.

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    mtm wrote: »
    Yeah it's a good point, the beginning of this week may have been a date from which licensees could use their licence. Don't forget also announcements from La La Land and a new Felix book from IFP last week too.

    Forgot about those other releases!

  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    Posts: 18,225
    Burgess wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    Yeah it's a good point, the beginning of this week may have been a date from which licensees could use their licence. Don't forget also announcements from La La Land and a new Felix book from IFP last week too.

    Forgot about those other releases!

    Yeah it's why that lawsuit from that guy saying they haven't used their Bond trademark enough is even more baffling: they're using it all the time!
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    AgentM72 wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    Okay, here's a question I had which is now answered: the new Bond game has been unveiled as '007 First Light', and in the blurb is the first time I've seen the new credits: where it used to be 'James Bond 007 is used under license from Danjaq LLC', now it says 'James Bond, 007 and related James Bond trademarks... under license from Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer Studios Inc.'

    As far as I know, this is first bit of non-Eon James Bond property.

    Good catch. I also noticed a change in the logos used.

    In the original Project 007 teaser, it ended with logos for IOI, MGM, EON, and Delphi.



    However, on the new site launched today, MGM and EON's logos were replaced collectively with the wordmark for "Amazon MGM Studios." No reference to EON at all.

    https://ioi.dk/007firstlightgame

    Makes sense I suppose, but still strange and a bit sad to see.

    Yeah still really excited though
  • Jordo007Jordo007 Merseyside
    Posts: 2,792
    I do wonder if any influence from EON's plans for Bond 26 would have bled into the game, maybe not in the likeness of Bond, but in the tone of the game and the plot.

    Or perhaps IO interactive were working with no notes or ideas from EON and they were just doing their own thing. I like the the idea of earning your 00 status
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    Jordo007 wrote: »
    I do wonder if any influence from EON's plans for Bond 26 would have bled into the game, maybe not in the likeness of Bond, but in the tone of the game and the plot.

    Or perhaps IO interactive were working with no notes or ideas from EON and they were just doing their own thing. I like the the idea of earning your 00 status

    I think at one point IO said the tone was a bit more gritty and early Craig-esque. I don't know how much involvement EON had in practice, but I think they were at one point.
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    I think the most interesting thing about the video game ad is that they are carrying over the EON 007 logo.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    I know hes the new hagrid, but It would be a funny idea if Nick Frost became Q, since Simon Pegg was basically the Q of the mission films.
  • NoTimeToLiveNoTimeToLive Jamaica
    edited June 5 Posts: 152
    I know hes the new hagrid, but It would be a funny idea if Nick Frost became Q

    He should play a rebooted version of Zukovsky.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
    edited June 5 Posts: 9,002
    I know hes the new hagrid, but It would be a funny idea if Nick Frost became Q

    He should play a rebooted version of Zukovski.

    Good call. The actor who played Richard Jewell could be Wade.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    Something that occurred to me, perhaps it could be an idea if Moneypenny was more of a friends with benefits type character with Bond, perhaps that's more politically correct for the 2020's.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
    edited June 6 Posts: 6,764
    I recall that Lois Maxwell and Roger Moore made up some back story that they were once lovers but no longer. Something about the war.

    That's a better way, I think, for Bond and Moneypenny to go, I think, "Oops we were lovers and now we're co-workers" rather than have it be an ongoing "Will they or won't they?"
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