The theories of Bond films! Who is the tourist who from TSWLM, MR, FYEO?

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  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
    edited May 31 Posts: 14,484
    With successful deployment, the parachute it did its job to quickly decelerate them to a survivable speed of impact. The proximity of the rock wall enclosure added to that effect, a surface for the physical force to push off of (different than in the open skies) creating a unique air compression phenomenon and resulting cushioning effect. It's also visible that as the chute deploys, the suspension lines swing them laterally and upward as an additional deflection from a direct impact.

    (These things happen very quickly. Could have been better understood using film techniques like exteeeeeended slow motion. Facial reaction shots interspersed with specific close-up call-outs of the chute functions. Or during Bond's outbrief to MI6, Q could be present to be triggered by its mention to blurt out in detail the scientific possibilities for surviving such an event. Or maybe Bond could be shown viewing a pre-mission webinar hosted by Q-Branch on the topic, available on secure lines to all agents.)

    Unintentional, but likely the most extreme example of swooping.

    Is there any doubt they survived? Well, they did get up and have a conversation. Then walked together through the desert to continue the story.

    Lastly, I'd like to respectfully dispute the premise of the original question: Bond was visibly scratched.

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  • slide_99slide_99 USA
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    Bond had the highest bone density of any MI6 agent and was basically immune to impacts, as proven by falling from the roof in CR, the plane in QOS, and the bridge in SF.
  • CommanderRossCommanderRoss The bottom of a pitch lake in Eastern Trinidad, place called La Brea
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    With successful deployment, the parachute it did its job to quickly decelerate them to a survivable speed of impact. The proximity of the rock wall enclosure added to that effect, a surface for the physical force to push off of (different than in the open skies) creating a unique air compression phenomenon and resulting cushioning effect. It's also visible that as the chute deploys, the suspension lines swing them laterally and upward as an additional deflection from a direct impact.

    (These things happen very quickly. Could have been better understood using film techniques like exteeeeeended slow motion. Facial reaction shots interspersed with specific close-up call-outs of the chute functions. Or during Bond's outbrief to MI6, Q could be present to be triggered by its mention to blurt out in detail the scientific possibilities for surviving such an event. Or maybe Bond could be shown viewing a pre-mission webinar hosted by Q-Branch on the topic, available on secure lines to all agents.)

    Unintentional, but likely the most extreme example of swooping.

    Is there any doubt they survived? Well, they did get up and have a conversation. Then walked together through the desert to continue the story.

    Lastly, I'd like to respectfully dispute the premise of the original question: Bond was visibly scratched.

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    This. Qos again. Shows to be quite accurate in realism. Far more than any other Bond film.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
    edited May 31 Posts: 8,297
    They didn't survive the fall - and everything that happens afterwards is Craig's Bond having dreams in purgatory before finally being allowed to pass over into the next life (his conclusive exit at the end of NTTD was the moment he left purgatory).

    I wish him the best. And Camille too.
  • CommanderRossCommanderRoss The bottom of a pitch lake in Eastern Trinidad, place called La Brea
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    They didn't survive the fall - and everything that happens afterwards is Craig's Bond having dreams in purgatory before finally being allowed to pass over into the next life (his conclusive exit at the end of NTTD was the moment he left purgatory).

    I wish him the best. And Camille too.

    That's all reveiled to you when you watch the film backwards.
  • WhyBondWhyBond USA
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    It's a Bond film. Stupid stuff like that are supposed to happen.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
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    WhyBond wrote: »
    It's a Bond film. Stupid stuff like that are supposed to happen.

    I feel compelled to point out your extremely funny/ironic username in the context of your comment and in terms of this specific thread.
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
    edited June 4 Posts: 7,609
    They open a parachute. I understand they open it very late, but it seems like with a parachute, all of the deceleration happens pretty much when it's opened, not throughout the rest of the fall; I understand that they wouldn't have gotten the full deceleration offered by the chute because of how low they opened it, but I feel like they still would have gotten a lot of it.
    I'm happy to admit that I don't know about the nuanced physics of opening a parachute while in freefall though.
    But yeah, it was an extremely rough landing that would have severely incapacitated or killed any normal person. James Bond film.

    EDIT: If they wanted to make it more realistic they should have had both Bond and Camille pass out before impact; when you're not tensing your muscles, your bones can really do their jobs to protect you from extreme impacts like this.
  • CommanderRossCommanderRoss The bottom of a pitch lake in Eastern Trinidad, place called La Brea
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    They open a parachute. I understand they open it very late, but it seems like with a parachute, all of the deceleration happens pretty much when it's opened, not throughout the rest of the fall; I understand that they wouldn't have gotten the full deceleration offered by the chute because of how low they opened it, but I feel like they still would have gotten a lot of it.
    I'm happy to admit that I don't know about the nuanced physics of opening a parachute while in freefall though.
    But yeah, it was an extremely rough landing that would have severely incapacitated or killed any normal person. James Bond film.

    EDIT: If they wanted to make it more realistic they should have had both Bond and Camille pass out before impact; when you're not tensing your muscles, your bones can really do their jobs to protect you from extreme impacts like this.

    As @RichardTheBruce pointed out, not only does the chute open completely and thus reaches it's maximum velocity (meaning normal landing speed) an extra force upwards is the air cushion that forms underneath thanks to the canyon walls. So no passing out needed to survive. I was always wondering about the c47 chase, but it was explained to me that all Bond's actions, including creating extra smoke, are for real and executionable. I think qos is one of the most realistic films in the franchise. The only thing that I still can't really fathom is how Bond launches the badguys' boat after he just picked up Camille. But I think that's due to editing as it seems he is throwing an anchor overboard a second before hooking up that boat.
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
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    The only thing that I still can't really fathom is how Bond launches the badguys' boat after he just picked up Camille. But I think that's due to editing as it seems he is throwing an anchor overboard a second before hooking up that boat.
    That's my one niggle too. He should've thrown the anchor in the water to flip the boat like that, but he throws it back into the boat.
  • CommanderRossCommanderRoss The bottom of a pitch lake in Eastern Trinidad, place called La Brea
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    QBranch wrote: »
    The only thing that I still can't really fathom is how Bond launches the badguys' boat after he just picked up Camille. But I think that's due to editing as it seems he is throwing an anchor overboard a second before hooking up that boat.
    That's my one niggle too. He should've thrown the anchor in the water to flip the boat like that, but he throws it back into the boat.

    That's the grabbing hook, the anchor itself he (presumably) tosses over just before. It's hard to see and it looks like it, but you have to look at it frame by frame and then still it isn't clear. SO it's an anchor with a grabbing hook, which makes sense for the kind of boat he's using (but doesn't account for the strong jolt it gives to the boat, unless it gets stuck under water.
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
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    Don't know exactly what you mean by 'grabbing hook'. He throws a typical anchor from his boat into the enemy boat, the one in this screenshot:

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    Doesn't matter which of the two boats this anchor belongs to, you're not gonna flip that enemy boat by throwing it back into the enemy boat! It's gotta go in the water.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited June 5 Posts: 18,209
    To be fair that does look more like a grappling hook than an anchor. Maybe it is an anchor though.

    It's annoying because it's a good idea, and quite Bondy, and I'm not sure I've seen it in anything else, but the audience are left wondering what happened. Did they just not get the footage? It's very odd.
    At least in the plane chase everything is sort of given to the audience, it's just a bit more technical and harder to understand and you have to know about stall speeds and everything.
  • SeveSeve The island of Lemoy
    edited June 7 Posts: 574
    These days my theory is that parachute technology has improved beyond belief and I was unaware of that development when I saw the film and for many years afterwards. Some of the base jumping I have subsequently viewed has opened my eyes to this.

    However this question makes me want to dig a little deeper
    The ineternet says

    Modern parachutes, including those used in sport skydiving, deploy and inflate very quickly, often within a few seconds of being pulled.

    There are those that BASE jump off fixed objects (like a bridge), that get an open chute in a handful of feet, because there’s no deployment bag, or other staging devices to slow the opening. If you jumped from a plane and reached terminal velocity (usually around 120 mph) with a chute packed that way, you’d likely blow up the chute, or your balls would pop out of your trousers on opening.


    (Unless your name is James Bond!)

  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
    edited June 7 Posts: 5,873
    Speaking of skydiving or parachutes, another thing popped into my head.

    The start of Spy sees Bond in "Austria" but in reality Canada (got to rep my country!) and he's seen leaving the chalet and the Russians lie in wait. But how did the men know that he would be leaving at that moment? After all it was a random message from M to "pull out". No way the Russians would be aware that Stromberg would capture a British sub. Yet there they are setting up when they get the message from the female double agent. How is that possible? Was it a fluky thing?

    Beyond that, just how and why did Bond manage to have a parachute as part of his outfit? Was his leaving the chalet always going to culminate with a air jump? If that was the case, just how did he and the female get to the chalet in the first place?

    Questions, questions, questions all I do is ask questions!

    What is your theory on how the Russians knew the right time to ambush Bond?

    What is your theory on why Bond had a parachute packed for leaving the chalet?
  • SeveSeve The island of Lemoy
    edited June 8 Posts: 574
    Firstly, the Russians discovered Bond's location from their intelligence network, and were coming to take him out, because he is the top enemy agent, so not directly related to Stromberg's activity. M got word of this, from his intelligence network, and called to warn him that he was in imminent danger. Knowing that Bond is usually bonking when he's off duty, M deployed a regulation coded MI6 pun, knowing that Bond would be able to accurately decypher the double entendre and percieve it's subtle true meaning.

    Secondly Bond always carrys a parachute in his bag, right next to his supply of condoms and ski-pole gun, just in case of an unexpected emergency.

    Thirdly they came up in a cable car and skiied across to the chalet

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  • I believe in the novelisation, Bond takes the girl up to the chalet after picking her up at a casino. If she was a Russian agent, she could have proposed the chalet knowing there was no escape but on ski and then organised a hit squad to take him out.

    The parachute was for a training mission later, but Bond smelt a rat with the girl so he took it just in case.
  • AnotherZorinStoogeAnotherZorinStooge Bramhall (Irish)
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    I believe in the novelisation, Bond takes the girl up to the chalet after picking her up at a casino. If she was a Russian agent, she could have proposed the chalet knowing there was no escape but on ski and then organised a hit squad to take him out.

    The parachute was for a training mission later, but Bond smelt a rat with the girl so he took it just in case.

    the swlm novel is vile


  • CommanderRossCommanderRoss The bottom of a pitch lake in Eastern Trinidad, place called La Brea
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    QBranch wrote: »
    Don't know exactly what you mean by 'grabbing hook'. He throws a typical anchor from his boat into the enemy boat, the one in this screenshot:

    54569043663_9ce3fd8904_h.jpg

    Doesn't matter which of the two boats this anchor belongs to, you're not gonna flip that enemy boat by throwing it back into the enemy boat! It's gotta go in the water.

    That is the hook, which, presumably, is attached to an anchor. Which Bond then drops. Iirc there's a move by him that can be interpreted that way. But I completely agree, they should've made it visual, it's a very cool move, if that is indeed what happens.
  • I believe in the novelisation, Bond takes the girl up to the chalet after picking her up at a casino. If she was a Russian agent, she could have proposed the chalet knowing there was no escape but on ski and then organised a hit squad to take him out.

    The parachute was for a training mission later, but Bond smelt a rat with the girl so he took it just in case.

    the swlm novel is vile


    I presume you're talking about the Fleming work as you detest the man and his works, but I'm referring to TSWLM novelisation, which was based on the film script and written by Christopher Wood.
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    They camped out on that ridge to get some ski runs in while they waited for Bond 😂
  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
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    Good theories guys!

    Who is the tourist in TSWLM, MR, FYEO?

    A fun Easter egg in these three movies is a man who appears during chase or action scenes in these three movies.

    He is first found on the beach in Spy and checks his wine bottle when the Esprit comes up the beach.

    In MR he is found in Mark's Square and again checks out his wine bottle as Bond drives the gondola boat.

    In FYEO he is on the deck when Bond comes skiing through with motorbikes in pursuit. This time he stands up with a wine glass in hand and stares in disbelief.

    So who is this guy and why is he showing up where Bond is? An enemy agent? A wine connoisseur? Or happenstance.

    I remember Goldfinger's quote about encountering the same person multiple times."Once is happenstance, twice is coincidence, third time is enemy action."

  • CommanderRossCommanderRoss The bottom of a pitch lake in Eastern Trinidad, place called La Brea
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    thedove wrote: »
    Speaking of skydiving or parachutes, another thing popped into my head.

    The start of Spy sees Bond in "Austria" but in reality Canada (got to rep my country!) and he's seen leaving the chalet and the Russians lie in wait. But how did the men know that he would be leaving at that moment? After all it was a random message from M to "pull out". No way the Russians would be aware that Stromberg would capture a British sub. Yet there they are setting up when they get the message from the female double agent. How is that possible? Was it a fluky thing?

    Beyond that, just how and why did Bond manage to have a parachute as part of his outfit? Was his leaving the chalet always going to culminate with a air jump? If that was the case, just how did he and the female get to the chalet in the first place?

    Questions, questions, questions all I do is ask questions!

    What is your theory on how the Russians knew the right time to ambush Bond?

    What is your theory on why Bond had a parachute packed for leaving the chalet?

    Simple. The girl was there to 'keep him warm' and in place until the Ruskies got there. She says 'he just left', and the reply is 'we're waiting'. We saw them just get into that position, so they were lucky Bond didn't get the signal earlier to 'pull out'. But it was his escape route anyway, that's why he had the parashute ready in the chalet. It is normal voor SAS troops to leave through the most unlikely route, to avoid beeing followed or detected by the opposition. Jumping off of that cliff to get away from anyone trying to follow would definately work, so it was part of the pull-out procedure. Mind, every operation is meticulously planned, with all eventualities counted it, to make sure agents get back safely.
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
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    Who, Victor Tourjansky?

    He's the unexpected acquaintance of Sheriff J.W. Pepper. They met on vacation. (It was Maybelle's idea. All three of them.)
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    He's an MI6 guy, secretly assigned to monitor Bond's activities and report back to the Head of Fiscal Responsibility. Alas what he witnessed in the field soon drove him to drink.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
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    Monorailer wrote: »
    He's an MI6 guy, secretly assigned to monitor Bond's activities and report back to the Head of Fiscal Responsibility. Alas what he witnessed in the field soon drove him to drink.

    10/10. No notes.
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    His name is James Bond. You know, a very ordinary name. Some ordinary, average British man. Sometimes he goes on holiday. Nothing ever happens to him, although he did saw some odd things. He'd tell you, but you wouldn't believe it. He's not even sure he believes it. Maybe he drank too much.
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