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The theories of Bond films! What is your theory on how Bond and Camille survive the free fall in QOS

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  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
    edited May 31 Posts: 14,474
    With successful deployment, the parachute it did its job to quickly decelerate them to a survivable speed of impact. The proximity of the rock wall enclosure added to that effect, a surface for the physical force to push off of (different than in the open skies) creating a unique air compression phenomenon and resulting cushioning effect. It's also visible that as the chute deploys, the suspension lines swing them laterally and upward as an additional deflection from a direct impact.

    (These things happen very quickly. Could have been better understood using film techniques like exteeeeeended slow motion. Facial reaction shots interspersed with specific close-up call-outs of the chute functions. Or during Bond's outbrief to MI6, Q could be present to be triggered by its mention to blurt out in detail the scientific possibilities for surviving such an event. Or maybe Bond could be shown viewing a pre-mission webinar hosted by Q-Branch on the topic, available on secure lines to all agents.)

    Unintentional, but likely the most extreme example of swooping.

    Is there any doubt they survived? Well, they did get up and have a conversation. Then walked together through the desert to continue the story.

    Lastly, I'd like to respectfully dispute the premise of the original question: Bond was visibly scratched.

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  • slide_99slide_99 USA
    Posts: 785
    Bond had the highest bone density of any MI6 agent and was basically immune to impacts, as proven by falling from the roof in CR, the plane in QOS, and the bridge in SF.
  • CommanderRossCommanderRoss The bottom of a pitch lake in Eastern Trinidad, place called La Brea
    Posts: 8,751
    RichardTheBruce wrote: »
    With successful deployment, the parachute it did its job to quickly decelerate them to a survivable speed of impact. The proximity of the rock wall enclosure added to that effect, a surface for the physical force to push off of (different than in the open skies) creating a unique air compression phenomenon and resulting cushioning effect. It's also visible that as the chute deploys, the suspension lines swing them laterally and upward as an additional deflection from a direct impact.

    (These things happen very quickly. Could have been better understood using film techniques like exteeeeeended slow motion. Facial reaction shots interspersed with specific close-up call-outs of the chute functions. Or during Bond's outbrief to MI6, Q could be present to be triggered by its mention to blurt out in detail the scientific possibilities for surviving such an event. Or maybe Bond could be shown viewing a pre-mission webinar hosted by Q-Branch on the topic, available on secure lines to all agents.)

    Unintentional, but likely the most extreme example of swooping.

    Is there any doubt they survived? Well, they did get up and have a conversation. Then walked together through the desert to continue the story.

    Lastly, I'd like to respectfully dispute the premise of the original question: Bond was visibly scratched.

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    This. Qos again. Shows to be quite accurate in realism. Far more than any other Bond film.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
    edited May 31 Posts: 8,296
    They didn't survive the fall - and everything that happens afterwards is Craig's Bond having dreams in purgatory before finally being allowed to pass over into the next life (his conclusive exit at the end of NTTD was the moment he left purgatory).

    I wish him the best. And Camille too.
  • CommanderRossCommanderRoss The bottom of a pitch lake in Eastern Trinidad, place called La Brea
    Posts: 8,751
    CraigMooreOHMSS wrote: »
    They didn't survive the fall - and everything that happens afterwards is Craig's Bond having dreams in purgatory before finally being allowed to pass over into the next life (his conclusive exit at the end of NTTD was the moment he left purgatory).

    I wish him the best. And Camille too.

    That's all reveiled to you when you watch the film backwards.
  • WhyBondWhyBond USA
    Posts: 81
    It's a Bond film. Stupid stuff like that are supposed to happen.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
    Posts: 8,296
    WhyBond wrote: »
    It's a Bond film. Stupid stuff like that are supposed to happen.

    I feel compelled to point out your extremely funny/ironic username in the context of your comment and in terms of this specific thread.
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
    edited June 4 Posts: 7,609
    They open a parachute. I understand they open it very late, but it seems like with a parachute, all of the deceleration happens pretty much when it's opened, not throughout the rest of the fall; I understand that they wouldn't have gotten the full deceleration offered by the chute because of how low they opened it, but I feel like they still would have gotten a lot of it.
    I'm happy to admit that I don't know about the nuanced physics of opening a parachute while in freefall though.
    But yeah, it was an extremely rough landing that would have severely incapacitated or killed any normal person. James Bond film.

    EDIT: If they wanted to make it more realistic they should have had both Bond and Camille pass out before impact; when you're not tensing your muscles, your bones can really do their jobs to protect you from extreme impacts like this.
  • CommanderRossCommanderRoss The bottom of a pitch lake in Eastern Trinidad, place called La Brea
    Posts: 8,751
    NickTwentyTwo wrote: »
    They open a parachute. I understand they open it very late, but it seems like with a parachute, all of the deceleration happens pretty much when it's opened, not throughout the rest of the fall; I understand that they wouldn't have gotten the full deceleration offered by the chute because of how low they opened it, but I feel like they still would have gotten a lot of it.
    I'm happy to admit that I don't know about the nuanced physics of opening a parachute while in freefall though.
    But yeah, it was an extremely rough landing that would have severely incapacitated or killed any normal person. James Bond film.

    EDIT: If they wanted to make it more realistic they should have had both Bond and Camille pass out before impact; when you're not tensing your muscles, your bones can really do their jobs to protect you from extreme impacts like this.

    As @RichardTheBruce pointed out, not only does the chute open completely and thus reaches it's maximum velocity (meaning normal landing speed) an extra force upwards is the air cushion that forms underneath thanks to the canyon walls. So no passing out needed to survive. I was always wondering about the c47 chase, but it was explained to me that all Bond's actions, including creating extra smoke, are for real and executionable. I think qos is one of the most realistic films in the franchise. The only thing that I still can't really fathom is how Bond launches the badguys' boat after he just picked up Camille. But I think that's due to editing as it seems he is throwing an anchor overboard a second before hooking up that boat.
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
    Posts: 15,128
    CommanderRoss wrote: »
    The only thing that I still can't really fathom is how Bond launches the badguys' boat after he just picked up Camille. But I think that's due to editing as it seems he is throwing an anchor overboard a second before hooking up that boat.
    That's my one niggle too. He should've thrown the anchor in the water to flip the boat like that, but he throws it back into the boat.
  • CommanderRossCommanderRoss The bottom of a pitch lake in Eastern Trinidad, place called La Brea
    Posts: 8,751
    QBranch wrote: »
    CommanderRoss wrote: »
    The only thing that I still can't really fathom is how Bond launches the badguys' boat after he just picked up Camille. But I think that's due to editing as it seems he is throwing an anchor overboard a second before hooking up that boat.
    That's my one niggle too. He should've thrown the anchor in the water to flip the boat like that, but he throws it back into the boat.

    That's the grabbing hook, the anchor itself he (presumably) tosses over just before. It's hard to see and it looks like it, but you have to look at it frame by frame and then still it isn't clear. SO it's an anchor with a grabbing hook, which makes sense for the kind of boat he's using (but doesn't account for the strong jolt it gives to the boat, unless it gets stuck under water.
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
    Posts: 15,128
    Don't know exactly what you mean by 'grabbing hook'. He throws a typical anchor from his boat into the enemy boat, the one in this screenshot:

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    Doesn't matter which of the two boats this anchor belongs to, you're not gonna flip that enemy boat by throwing it back into the enemy boat! It's gotta go in the water.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited June 5 Posts: 18,177
    To be fair that does look more like a grappling hook than an anchor. Maybe it is an anchor though.

    It's annoying because it's a good idea, and quite Bondy, and I'm not sure I've seen it in anything else, but the audience are left wondering what happened. Did they just not get the footage? It's very odd.
    At least in the plane chase everything is sort of given to the audience, it's just a bit more technical and harder to understand and you have to know about stall speeds and everything.
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