What is one Bond film generally not well-regarded but you genuinely can't understand why?

Junglist_1985Junglist_1985 Los Angeles
edited December 2023 in Bond Movies Posts: 1,006
Not one you really enjoy knowing there are real flaws.

Rather, one you just can't understand why it's ranked so low...
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  • peterpeter Toronto
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    I suppose it’s either FYEO or OP. I especially find OP great fun, the music was on point, Moore was fantastic and really clicked with his leading lady, and the action was quite spectacular with a plus for the murder of 009 (great tension as the twins chased him down, and a nice “plant” for the audience (by the time 007 is being pursued by them we know he’s in great danger as we already saw what they did to a fellow agent)). I don’t understand why it’s usually ranked on the lower end.
  • Probably FYEO for me. I don’t understand the complaints about the film being too boring when it’s one of the more action packed entries of the series. Plus it’s a wonderful throwback to both FRWL and OHMSS, watching all three make a nice sort of “unofficial trilogy” based on concepts, and ideas that pop up in all three films.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    SP would be my choice.
  • DarthDimi wrote: »
    SP would be my choice.

    I’m still split on SP myself personally. Out of the entire Craig era, it’s the one film that adheres most to the ‘formula’, which I quite like. But it’s also dragged down for me quite a bit because of all the revelations. I’ll say that NTTD helped me appreciate elements of SP a bit more, but I think that’s more a testament to NTTD imo.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    DarthDimi wrote: »
    SP would be my choice.

    I’m still split on SP myself personally. Out of the entire Craig era, it’s the one film that adheres most to the ‘formula’, which I quite like. But it’s also dragged down for me quite a bit because of all the revelations. I’ll say that NTTD helped me appreciate elements of SP a bit more, but I think that’s more a testament to NTTD imo.

    I was one of the early birds that saw SP. I had no idea how other people would feel about the film. It was an instant winner for me; my immediate response to the film was "so much better than SF." Then other reviews started coming in. A week later, I was in shock.
  • edited December 2023 Posts: 2,049
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    SP would be my choice.

    I’m still split on SP myself personally. Out of the entire Craig era, it’s the one film that adheres most to the ‘formula’, which I quite like. But it’s also dragged down for me quite a bit because of all the revelations. I’ll say that NTTD helped me appreciate elements of SP a bit more, but I think that’s more a testament to NTTD imo.

    I was one of the early birds that saw SP. I had no idea how other people would feel about the film. It was an instant winner for me; my immediate response to the film was "so much better than SF." Then other reviews started coming in. A week later, I was in shock.

    I really enjoyed the film upon its release too. In fact I can remember sharing my excitement and sharing my thoughts on the forum back in 2015 when it came out. I think it was subsequent viewings for me as well taking into consideration the opinions and criticisms surrounding the film that have led me to reconsider in recent years, which is something I don’t really like to do, but in the case of SP I found them incredibly hard to ignore and get past. I think I had SP as being the worst Bond movie in EON’s series at one point, but I’ve walked back on that opinion quite a bit. It doesn’t quite reach the lows of DAF, AVTAK, DAD, and QOS for me, but it sits slightly above those 4 movies.

    I’ll say that I think SP is the better ending to Craig’s era than NTTD, but that’s just my personal opinion.
  • M_BaljeM_Balje Amsterdam, Netherlands
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    A View To A Kill.
  • SIS_HQSIS_HQ At the Vauxhall Headquarters
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    Moonraker for me.
    Sure, it's outlandish and overt sci fi, but:

    - Moore's performance was great in it, much better than the previous one (more balanced, he showed vulnerability, the transition from being smarmy to accepting women as his partner, if the Bond of TSWLM was in FYEO, I doubt he would treat the women there with respect, but since MR, there's Holly Goodhead who made Bond learned his lesson, he became more respectful of women in the later films after this).

    - A Great Bond villain in Hugo Drax, more fleshed out personality, threatening and menacing, and had great banter with Bond.

    - A truly Bond's equal in Holly Goodhead, she showed Bond how to respect women, she's no damsel in distress, she helped Bond in his mission, independent, intelligent and tough, she's one of the more convincing female agents in the series, sadly, she gets overshadowed by how much hate the film gets and her punny name.

    - It showed Bond's vulnerability in the Centrifuge scene and in the dark alley in Rio when he saved Manuela, and how concern he was when he met Holly Goodhead in Drax's base ("Thank God you're safe"), and he did a lot of detective and spying things in this, add to that is how many times I've felt that Bond was in danger, something that I didn't felt in the previous one (because mostly he's in control most of the time).

    - Beautiful cinematography, locations and score.

  • Posts: 2,878
    I’ll go with MR too. I think it tends to get viewed as a ‘jump the shark’ moment for Bond, but it’s much better than people give it credit for. From a filmmaking perspective it’s pretty great.

    Other than that, I’d say TND. I think it’s getting a bit of a reevaluation now, but in the past it’s not necessarily been regarded as one of the strongest Bond films. It’s an awful lot of fun though. One of my go to Bond films, especially when introducing people to Bond movies.
  • 007HallY wrote: »
    I’ll go with MR too. I think it tends to get viewed as a ‘jump the shark’ moment for Bond, but it’s much better than people give it credit for. From a filmmaking perspective it’s pretty great.

    Other than that, I’d say TND. I think it’s getting a bit of a reevaluation now, but in the past it’s not necessarily been regarded as one of the strongest Bond films. It’s an awful lot of fun though. One of my go to Bond films, especially when introducing people to Bond movies.

    I’ll attest to TND. I used to think it was one of the more “generic” Bond films, but then I came to the realization that “generic” could also be used to describe a lot of other Bond films that I love and adore. As a result, TND has really shot itself up in my rankings these past few years with each viewing. I think Carver’s plot is a big reason why it works for me now.
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
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    Moonraker and Octopussy I'd say.
  • edited December 2023 Posts: 687
    NSNA. It's a near perfect comeback/send-off. A real sequel of the early 60's movies.

    More Bondian and more Fleming than many EON's efforts.

    More fun than YOLT, less silly than DAF (and Octopussy!). The tone was right.

  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
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    The latest one. Every time.

  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
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    More recently I'd agree it's the last two Bond films we've had, Spectre and No Time to Die. They often (unfairly) seem to be the least loved of the Craig era along with Quantum of Solace.
  • Posts: 6,803
    Agree with @DarthDimi, definitely SP, I too was disappointed with SF, and baffled by the high praise. Really enjoyed SP on first viewing and breathed a sigh of relief, it felt more like a Bond movie to me than the former. It has issues ( doesn't every Bond) but I still enjoy it today, and the hatred for it is quite surprising, to me!
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    The World is Not Enough, It’s my favorite Brosnan Bond.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    Mathis1 wrote: »
    Agree with @DarthDimi, definitely SP, I too was disappointed with SF, and baffled by the high praise. Really enjoyed SP on first viewing and breathed a sigh of relief, it felt more like a Bond movie to me than the former. It has issues ( doesn't every Bond) but I still enjoy it today, and the hatred for it is quite surprising, to me!

    Glad I'm not alone, @Mathis1 !
  • ProfJoeButcherProfJoeButcher Bless your heart
    edited December 2023 Posts: 1,689
    I adore Spectre, and more so over time. When it came out, I thought it was good but hated the Blofeld story. I've come to love that too, but even then I was able to overlook the one thing and enjoy a beautifully-made and artful film. I really don't get why so many people can't.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    I adore Spectre, and more so over time. When it came out, I thought it was good but hated the Blofeld story. I've come to live that too, but even then I was able to overlook the one thing and enjoy a beautifully-made and artful film. I really don't get why so many people can't.

    I am with you on this. In terms of mood, it may be my favourite Craig.
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    Thunderball. If you saw TB when it was first released, you didn't leave the theatre saying it was too long and the underwater sequences boring.
  • RemingtonRemington I'll do anything for a woman with a knife.
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    Octopussy
  • ThunderballThunderball playing Chemin de Fer in a casino, downing Vespers
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    It's been a hot minute since I've been here. 10 frickin' months. I've missed this place.

    Anyway, I was thinking at first of Spectre, but I recognize the film's flaws while still very much enjoying it. So I'd say For Your Eyes Only. There are only one or two things about it I'm not crazy about, but overall, it's a thoroughly good watch.
    CrabKey wrote: »
    Thunderball. If you saw TB when it was first released, you didn't leave the theatre saying it was too long and the underwater sequences boring.

    With you here. Thunderball is my second favorite Bond film. I didn't think to say that one because I would have thought that it was beloved enough. But I suppose I forgot that a number of people here really don't like it. I have no idea why, I think it's an absolute blast. The best of Connery.
  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Per ora e per il momento che verrà
    edited December 2023 Posts: 6,778
    I’ll join that SP club. It’s so much more Bondian than the two films it’s squeezed in-between. I’ll take SP over SF or NTTD every single time.

    Some other entries I’m always a bit confused about why they tend to end up so low on lists are TMWTGG and OP. While definitely flawed, I think they are overall very solid.

    I always wonder: does that fosterbrother twist, that slide whistle sound or that clown disguise really erase everything else that’s great in that particular film?
  • GoldenGun wrote: »

    I always wonder: does that fosterbrother twist, that slide whistle sound or that clown disguise really erase everything else that’s great in that particular film?

    You can say the same thing about DAF but people don't forgive Connery.

  • R1s1ngs0nR1s1ngs0n France
    edited December 2023 Posts: 2,013
    I would have to say YOLT. It's always been in my top 5 or 6 Bond movies, yet it is consistantly ranked well outside the top 10.
    Despite its obvious shortcomings, it's one of the better paced films in the series and for my money, far superior to its Moore clones, TSWLM and MR.
    Aurally and visually, it's chef's kiss. It's not supposed to be a serious espionnage or personnal vendetta affair, just fun, pure escapism... and in that regard it delivers in spades.
  • I would say Spectre. Daniel Craig. What more do you need as a badass Bond? Blofeld = foster brother was a slight misstep but the franchise has made worse errors. IE clown suits and curry references in Octopussy, overweight Connery in DAF, invisible car etc
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    Maybe it’s more an individual aspect of the film, but I personally can’t understand why people have an issue with the clown suits in OP. I’d say the death of 009 and Bond having to sneak into the circus to diffuse the bomb are some of the most suspenseful moments of the series. It’s like some strange Hitcockian anxiety dream.

    Honestly, I’d say it’s more impactful than the idea that Bond and Blofeld briefly knew each other as children.
  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Per ora e per il momento che verrà
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    007HallY wrote: »
    Maybe it’s more an individual aspect of the film, but I personally can’t understand why people have an issue with the clown suits in OP. I’d say the death of 009 and Bond having to sneak into the circus to diffuse the bomb are some of the most suspenseful moments of the series. It’s like some strange Hitcockian anxiety dream.

    Honestly, I’d say it’s more impactful than the idea that Bond and Blofeld briefly knew each other as children.

    I agree concerning the clown suits. I think the gorilla suit and the Tarzan yell aren’t great though. I still consider OP a superb spy adventure however, despite these minor gripes.
  • Yeah that scene was one of Moore’s best moments as Bond imo. He really sells the direness of the situation there. He’s also great in the scene where he’s confronting Orlov.
  • MalloryMallory Do mosquitoes have friends?
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    Yeah that scene was one of Moore’s best moments as Bond imo. He really sells the direness of the situation there. He’s also great in the scene where he’s confronting Orlov.

    It always amuses me that Moore thinks kicking Loque off the side in FYEO is his darkest moment as Bond, yet in OP he shoots a russian soldier point blank in the forehead.
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