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The same can be said for the likes of Ethan Hunt, Indiana Jones and etc.
They're the icons of cinema after all.
I have no problem with the idea of killing Bond off, I have more of a problem with the story and plot that led to that ending, it would have been fitting to the timeline (the Craig Era only), if the story and the plot was better.
But what we've got is full of contrivances, convoluted, forced melodrama, returning characters from the previous film (SP) that I don't care about, and etc.
So, no, it's a faux pas.
The idea (on paper) was fitting for the timeline.
The way the film used that idea was faux pas.
Yes, there's no strong backbone to support that idea, and that backbone is the story, so without support, the main concept or idea that they're trying to reach may fall, and that's what happened with NTTD.
I highly enjoy the PTS, Jamaica, Cuba which to me is some of the best elements in the Craig era.
That's one of my least favorite scenes in the film, that's where the forced melodrama happened, and where Bond the character gone, I mean all of what I see in that Norway scenes is Daniel Craig himself, the expressions and reactions, how he moves, that's Craig himself to me, not Bond.
I'm also not a fan of letting Madeleine do the gun work while having Bond carry the child in that forest, that's already out of character and doesn't make sense, there's nothing would have changed if Bond just let Madeleine carry the child while have Bond shoots the bad guys in that forest, and would have make the scene a bit better at least.
For me, the film fell apart after the Cuba scenes, that's where it all ends.
We can agree to disagree. Bond luring them away from Madeline, setting traps, killing Ash, especially with the line given regarding Felix. The chase with cars itself is ok but I love the environment in the woods and for someone who's shot tracer rounds before, that was really cool to see on screen.
I mean, Bond could still do that even he's not carrying the child, like what I've said, if one may swap or reverse Madeleine and Bond's roles in that scene, nothing would still have changed.
I've rewatched that scene many times, and I still don't get why he gave Madeleine the gun, and have Bond himself carry the child, if it's meant to lure the bad guys, he could still do it even with him not carrying the child.
He can still lure the bad guys, while Madeleine was carrying the child while finding a hideout.
I'm having a thought that they've did that for the sake of girl power (or dare I say it, feminism), by having Bond carry the child, and Madeleine carrying a gun.
I’ve said this before: it was like I was watching the final images of a dying man as his final moments flashed before his eyes. Everything from the gun barrel (and Bond’s faded image), to his death felt like a surreal dream, seen through the perspective of the dying character.
I loved it on Day One.
I love it more now.
I come back to the same question. What did Bond's death add to the film? It doesn't feel poignant as much as it feels misguided. It would have worked as easily at the end if Bond were driving the Aston with Madeleine by his side and Matilde in the back seat. We Have All the Time in the World could still play over and actually be more meaningful, because they would have all the time in the world.
If we accept that each Bond is different and in his own timeline, then Bond driving into the sunset with his family wouldn't be any more problematic than killing him off. Either way, when the next film starts there will be plenty of fans saying, wasn't Bond killed? Or, didn't he retire with his family?
I look forward to the next Bond. Hopefully that occurs without P&W. Time to let others pen the next Bond films. Like DC, it is time for them to move on. One can hope the next Bond film will be as good as FRWL, OHMSS, or CR.
The finality to the ending of NTTD is depressing, when Bond 26 isn't on the horizon.
It is a beautifully shot film. It has some exciting action sequences. But the plot is rather thin and could have been so much more. Why did they feel the need to bring a child into things? Did she serve a point to the plot? Nope. The main villain wanted her and then when she bit his hand he drops her and lets her run off. Makes no sense.
The plot might have been better served with Blofeld as the main villain. After the events of SP it would have upped the stakes if Blofeld escaped from prision and then start from there. Instead we get a villain who doesn't age even though significant time passes. We get a villain that wants revenge on SPECTRE. He gets it and then he continues with a plot to destroy the world? Or does he merely want money in a world infected with his nano bots?
I enjoyed Craig's first 3 films as Bond. The last two were bloated and contrived. A shame we couldn't have had a trilogy instead of 5 films.
PS: I have a feeling that there are two or more likely members of the club...just not on this thread so far.
I don't think Waltz's performance was bad at all. He's basically giving the same character as in Inglourious Basterds, which obviously was expected of him. It's the script of SP that is to blame, which most of us will agree was idiotic regarding the foster brother jealousy story, but the only reproach I can make against Waltz is taking that role. But there was probably a six- or seven-digit argument against doing so, so I don't blame him.
It's also ok that they finished him off in NTTD, to end the ark of the Craig timeline, as with the death of Felix Leiter and of Bond himself.
The YOLT novel would have been the perfect ending for me.
I still very much think Waltz's Blofeld should have been given something epic to do in NTTD. Since Waltz's strength as an actor is to be subtle, then make him a subtle and evasive villain.
Whether you agree or disagree, having a child ups the stakes, especially for Bond as he just discovered that this is his daughter.
And Safin never wanted Mathilde, @thedove …
He wanted Madeleine.
He tells Bond this, that he wants to keep her (as if Madeleine’s some kind of toy), and Bond replies, “You know I can’t do that”. Mathilde was just a bargaining chip to Safin.
Once again, I love this concept and watching Bond fight for his family had me (and has me), on the edge of my seat.
Yes, the story is contrived and far fetched, but for all of that it's still an engrossing watch. The direction and pacing is one of it's greatest strengths. Every time I watch it, it never feels like 2 & 1/2 hours.
For all it's faults (and there's a few) the film works and it all flows together nicely, unlike SP. Not mad on the ending but the assault on the stairs is the badass action sequence Craig deserved to go out on.
Dialogue, acting, editing, photography and music also all very good.