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Agreed, Die Another Day was simply ahead of it's time. LALD, you got me. lol
Without straying too far off topic, can I just say that the Bible isn't a source of magical spells but a guide for Christians who seek to fill the blanks in their conviction. It is both a document of historical significance and a collection of thoughts and (more or less facultative) guidelines. The Bible doesn’t promise the absolute Truth – though some seem to read it that way – nor does it offer magical formulas which lead to supernatural abilities. I consider its most important function challenging every Christian to select the things he needs from it to give his own religious conviction more meaning. Voodoo, in that sense, couldn’t be more contrasting.
Slightly back on topic, if any Bond film were to get the Bible involved or bring up Divine powers and expect us to swallow them with ease, I’d be as much offended as I am with the Voodoo stuff.
Entirely back on topic, LALD’s Voodoo subplot does benefit from one element: it comes in a tremendously satisfying package, i.e. Solitaire. Were it not for the breathtaking beauty of Jane Seymour, I’d have rejected every aspect of it straight away. DAD, on the other hand, doesn’t challenge me as much at all. Most of its ‘otherworldly’ technology has, in fact, become grounded in reality over the last few years. Even the concept of invisible objects has been rationalized on a theoretical basis and is eagerly being experimented with on a more practical level. Though it seems that we still have a long way to go before this thing can be perfected – and to be fair I don’t want it to be perfected for I believe it could damage us more than we could benefit from it – it’s not such a big stretch anymore. Bond’s always been about the five-minutes-into-the-future thing. Well, DAD may be about 15 minutes into the future but we’ll surely get there. Eventually.
I am not greatly religious, but i do respect peoples beliefs. For someone who believes in the bible to slate another persons beliefs is rather poor on your part.
As for the technology of DAD, which I saw this weekend with my daughters who love Roger Moore and Pierce Brosnan as 007, it never bothered me at all even the CGI did not annoy me as it used to do. I guess I start enjoying the whole of this movie more and more.
On my part??? Did you even read what I said? This should be addressed to 00 Beast, he is the Bible believer who as you said "slated" Vodoun as crud. I'm not a Christian, and I believe that everyone has a right to believe what they want and shouldn't face malice or prejudice as a result. I merely held my beliefs and pointed out some flaws. I believe Jesus addressed one famous flaw when he stopped a stoning.
People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones, because sometimes there are people like me who can catch and throw them back.
You're doing exactly the same:judging @Sir Henry on the basis of his beliefs.
Anyway, back on topic:
What I like about LALD is that the Voodoo element isn't presented as fact. Yes, Solitaire uses those cards, but it is Solitaire as well who fails to see what's coming to her (Bond as lover). And as with the book, it has that earie absurdism in it.
DAD however isn't 15 minutes, but 15 years in the future. Further more, the drawbacks are glossly looked over (nobody sees the cartracks in the snow? Are you kidding me?). And that laser satalite wasn't a good idea in DAF and wasn't now. Hell, a remake from a bad movie won't make it a better one!
Now if we are going to argue those cuckoos named the Church of Scientology I am game. :D
You mean that BC there were no such problems.
Darn, I have been born too late.
Guys, guys. We have a religion thread now.
No i was agreeing with you, but looking at how i quoted and written my view? I can see why you have reacted like this? Apologies if you have read it not in the intended way?
All i said was that you should not talk down another religion or belief that someone else believes in?
Apology accepted. I definitely read it wrong then and apologize in kind. I just can't sit still and put up with ignorant misconceptions about a faith and religion (Vodoun) that is as valid as any out there.
Voodoo has been a part of the culture in Haiti for hundreds of years. For the people who follow it, it IS real. Culturally/historically, voodoo is a real phenomenon. To me this is much more interesting then some half-baked bogus sci-fi non-sense. The science of Purvis and Wade, fascinating stuff.
Disagree with said thesis.
Completely agree as there is no need for it. Glad we got it all cleared up though.
<font color=blue size=7><b>Of all Bonds, Connery is/was most Bond in real life too.</b></font>
Oh dear, Brady is going to have a field day with this one. For me, I disagree. It has to be Brosnan. Just his very style and presence alone accounts for that.
In that sense I think Moore would be closer to his Bond. Connery is not and his disliking for the character was one of the reasons for getting tired in YOLT and changing the interpretation in DAF.
So in my opinion I disagree.
This is a really interesting one @Dimi. Kudos for the idea.
As much as I love Connery and all his work, inside and outside of Bond, Im gonna have to disagree. Connery actually came from a very humble (even poor) background and didn't really develop that classy sense of cool until Terrence Young starting grooming him for the role. At that point Connery was already over 30.
As to who is the most like Bond I think the choice is obvious. It'd be Sir Roger Moore. Even before being cast as Bond he had a playboy image and lifestyle throughout the entertainment biz. As a matter of fact Cubby and Saltzman knew him years before LALD through various casinos. Sounds like Bond to me. Plus even when he was married he was a known womanizer. Again pure Bond. Also when listening to interviews with all the actors Connery just doesn't envoke that same level of class Moore does. Connery is more open to loss his temper and get annoyed while Moore is always cool as ice.
Both Connery and Moore had a way with women in their younger pre-fame days but Connery's appeal came more from his manly tough guy nature. While Moore relied moreso on being smooth and witty.
If we're looking for the most Flemingesque Bond I doubt Connery is the right choice for that either.
But if we're looking at who embodied the traits of the cinematic Bond the most than I think Moore is the clear choice. And to those saying that Moore's Bond was basically himself than doesn't that settle the debate? Afterall being cast for being alot like James Bond in real life sounds like a clincher.