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The James Bond Debate Thread - 336 Craig looks positively younger in SP than he does in SF.

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  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
    edited June 2012 Posts: 23,525
    CommanderRoss wrote:
    Nope, that would be the interwebs, and in particular, MI6-hq/community. Keeping the British End Up, so to speak...

    Thanks for the compliment but I meant printed as in published books, of course. ;-)
    0BradyM0Bondfanatic7 wrote:
    DarthDimi wrote:
    Wow, I'm amazed. :P It is such a good book! Needs an update (my edition goes as far as DAD) but I find it more addictive than caffeine, better written than the vast majority of books on Bond and offering pictures and anecdotes most other stuff (making ofs, other books) fail to include themselves. I was under the impression this is every Bond fan's bible. :D

    Those are Fleming's books. /:)

    Obviously my mind had travelled outside the realm of Bond fiction. ;-)
  • royale65royale65 Caustic misanthrope reporting for duty.
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    Agree – one of many Bond bibles, for me, along with Martins, Girls and Guns by Gary Morecambe and Martin Sterling.
  • thelivingroyalethelivingroyale
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    It's very good, but since we've had a new Bond and 2 (soon to be 3) films since I wouldn't say so.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    <font color=tomato size=4><b>THESIS 112</b></font>

    <font color=blue size=7><b>CR shouldn't be called a reboot because there's little continuity in the series anyway.</b></font>
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
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    'reboot' means disregarding any events of the previous timeline..... thus CR isn't a reboot because it featured the Goldfinger-esque character that Bond ruined the car, and the GF homage with Fields in oil.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    DaltonCraig007 wrote:
    'reboot' means disregarding any events of the previous timeline..... thus CR isn't a reboot because it featured the Goldfinger-esque character that Bond ruined the car, and the GF homage with Fields in oil.

    Those were more homages than the actual film suggesting that Quantum was influenced by past events to cake Fields with oil. What Goldfinger-esque character are you referring to @DC007?
  • Samuel001Samuel001 Moderator
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    It was a clever way to get word out this was a fresh start but I think people knew that anyway, what with a new actor and everything that comes with that. It's just another film in the series, in my eyes.
  • Baltimore_007Baltimore_007
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    It's frustrating when you don't want to see it as a reboot but people insist that it was a reboot, and maybe they were right, new bond, a license to kill, it all seemed like we were back where it all began, but Doctor No was that for me in the film releases, and 2006 won't change it. I'm going to go along with thesis and it's been said so many times before, so people can deny it now but maybe they just had a difference of opinion. That kind of spoilt it for me in a significant way, along with Craig initially, and the very short PTS, and nonsense action sequences, but if you can look beyond that, and it is possible, it was quite a very good release that year

    Thesis seems right
  • 00Beast00Beast
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    DarthDimi wrote:
    <font color=tomato size=4><b>THESIS 112</b></font>

    <font color=blue size=7><b>CR shouldn't be called a reboot because there's little continuity in the series anyway.</b></font>

    I do agree. I dislike the use of the term re-boot for the Bond series, because in my mind, it sounds like a negative thing. I hear re-boot and I think, "Oh, there must have been something really cruddy behind this one and they need a fresh start." In truth, I don't think DAD was all that bad, and except for replacing Brosnan with Craig and going to a more realistic, human 007, it's still the same series in my mind, just with a new approach with these two movies.
  • VirageVirage
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    There Hasn't been a continuity since the '70s
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    Virage wrote:
    There Hasn't been a continuity since the '70s

    Yes there has. In FYEO James visits Tracy's grave, and Felix remarks to Della in LTK about James being married before, a long time ago.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
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    Disagree. If Tracy hasn't died, it's a reboot.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    Reboot just sounds so derogatory, with a fresh start, erasing the bad past sound to it. I just look at the films as an all in one package, and with 6 variations on the character. CR is just another interpretation, with its own actor giving their take on Bond.
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
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    Continuity or not CR was still a reboot. Something that I don't feel was need to be done, even after DAD.

    Thesis 112: Disagree
  • thelivingroyalethelivingroyale
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    It was a reboot but it really didn't need to be and I'm disappointed they made it one.

    Disagree.
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
    edited June 2012 Posts: 15,690
    0BradyM0Bondfanatic7 wrote:
    What Goldfinger-esque character are you referring to @DC007?

    The fat dude in the Bahamas, the one that had his car parked and wrecked by Bond... he had a german accent and had a colourful and similar dressing style like Auric Goldfinger.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    Interesting remark, @DC! I hadn't thought about it. I'm always just very amused by this scene. ;-)
  • RogueAgentRogueAgent
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    Although most people see it as a reboot? I do not. It just continues on and on. And if you talk of movie flashbacks? AKA PTS for Casino Royale? Then you could put that down to how James Bond earned his 2 kills to achieve 00 status? The bit that would contradict it would be where M states "I knew it was too early to promote you" And also the fact she is STILL M! So on that basis i agree with the Thesis.

    And that Bond's missions happen thick and fast like say missions for Special Forces units in the military. So M's line about promotion was just a throw away comment? Good thesis which i am sure will split opinion? :))
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    RogueAgent wrote:
    Good thesis which i am sure will split opinion? :))

    We aim to please.

    *straightens tie, works the eyebrows*

  • thelivingroyalethelivingroyale
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    I think CR was a reboot but didn't need to be, and now the Vesper stuff is out of the way they should try and get back into the normal timeline again.
  • 00Beast00Beast
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    thelivingroyale wrote:
    I think CR was a reboot but didn't need to be, and now the Vesper stuff is out of the way they should try and get back into the normal timeline again.

    Agreed, I hope that SkyFall is not just the third in a trilogy of Vesper stuff. Let's get on to Quantum and put the focus on it, not on just Vesper. Like the SPECTRE movies of DN, FRWL, TB, YOLT, OHMSS, and DAF, we need to get on with Quantum now.
  • thelivingroyalethelivingroyale
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    00Beast wrote:
    thelivingroyale wrote:
    I think CR was a reboot but didn't need to be, and now the Vesper stuff is out of the way they should try and get back into the normal timeline again.

    Agreed, I hope that SkyFall is not just the third in a trilogy of Vesper stuff. Let's get on to Quantum and put the focus on it, not on just Vesper. Like the SPECTRE movies of DN, FRWL, TB, YOLT, OHMSS, and DAF, we need to get on with Quantum now.

    I'd just rather they forgot about Quantum to be honest. They were pretty forgettable, they're not in Skyfall and I doubt many will miss them.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
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    00Beast wrote:
    thelivingroyale wrote:
    I think CR was a reboot but didn't need to be, and now the Vesper stuff is out of the way they should try and get back into the normal timeline again.

    Agreed, I hope that SkyFall is not just the third in a trilogy of Vesper stuff. Let's get on to Quantum and put the focus on it, not on just Vesper. Like the SPECTRE movies of DN, FRWL, TB, YOLT, OHMSS, and DAF, we need to get on with Quantum now.

    This is supposedly more of a standalone film a la GF.

    But I agree with you: they spent too much time building up Quantum to let it go--and frankly we had too many standalone films from 1973-2002. Maybe Quantum will be back in Bond 24.
  • 00Beast00Beast
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    thelivingroyale wrote:
    00Beast wrote:
    thelivingroyale wrote:
    I think CR was a reboot but didn't need to be, and now the Vesper stuff is out of the way they should try and get back into the normal timeline again.

    Agreed, I hope that SkyFall is not just the third in a trilogy of Vesper stuff. Let's get on to Quantum and put the focus on it, not on just Vesper. Like the SPECTRE movies of DN, FRWL, TB, YOLT, OHMSS, and DAF, we need to get on with Quantum now.

    I'd just rather they forgot about Quantum to be honest. They were pretty forgettable, they're not in Skyfall and I doubt many will miss them.
    echo wrote:
    00Beast wrote:
    thelivingroyale wrote:
    I think CR was a reboot but didn't need to be, and now the Vesper stuff is out of the way they should try and get back into the normal timeline again.

    Agreed, I hope that SkyFall is not just the third in a trilogy of Vesper stuff. Let's get on to Quantum and put the focus on it, not on just Vesper. Like the SPECTRE movies of DN, FRWL, TB, YOLT, OHMSS, and DAF, we need to get on with Quantum now.

    This is supposedly more of a standalone film a la GF.

    But I agree with you: they spent too much time building up Quantum to let it go--and frankly we had too many standalone films from 1973-2002. Maybe Quantum will be back in Bond 24.

    I had a feeling from the trailer that Quantum was probably gone, which saddens me a bit because I wanted to see some resolution to what was built up in CR and QoS. Like @echo said, SF will be like GF in that we get a standalone movie in the midst of our Quantum timeline. I hope that they aren't just planning to throw Quantum away when there's so much more to go through.
  • Baltimore_007Baltimore_007
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    Bond can become a bit confusing sometimes, as in one year it's part of a storyline, then it's a stand alone release etc, then the next year, it's back to how it was before with the same organization and nemesis' etc, add to that Bond characters come and go like the weather, first Q and Moneypenny are out as are the gadgets and next moment they're included again, or one of the other even, it just seems to change from one year to the next, too much shifting around, it's to keep things from going stale or maybe a bit of variety but it can be disturbing sometimes. I don't really care if Quantum is omitted from the next release, I didn't care much for them the last times around, they won't be missed even
  • 00130013
    edited June 2012 Posts: 1,817
    Timeline in the Bond series is a real headache, nevertheless I think CR presents itself as a reboot, a new start in the chronology. So I disagree with T-112!
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    DaltonCraig007 wrote:
    0BradyM0Bondfanatic7 wrote:
    What Goldfinger-esque character are you referring to @DC007?

    The fat dude in the Bahamas, the one that had his car parked and wrecked by Bond... he had a german accent and had a colourful and similar dressing style like Auric Goldfinger.

    Are you saying this guy IS Goldfinger?
    http://screenmusings.org/CasinoRoyale/pages/CR_0334.htm
    Doesn't look like him, and why would they include him or a homage of him in that scene? It makes no sense.
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
    edited June 2012 Posts: 15,690
    I am not saying he is Goldfinger, I am simply saying he is clearly modeled after Goldfinger. I remember that nearly everyone on the old MI6Forums commented on how he reminded of Goldfinger.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
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    DaltonCraig007 wrote:
    I am not saying he is Goldfinger, I am simply saying he is clearly modeled after Goldfinger,

    Agree.
  • SaintMarkSaintMark
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    DaltonCraig007 wrote:
    I am not saying he is Goldfinger, I am simply saying he is clearly modeled after Goldfinger,

    I always had that GF flashback as well but was never sure if they were having a laugh or if it was spure coincedence.

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