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    talos7 wrote: »
    Endless volumes could be written documenting the eccentricities of creative people, specifically filmmakers, as far as Tom is concerned, audiences benefit immensely from mis “ madness” . or ego, whatever one wants to call it.

    The best way anyone here as put this. Well done, @talos7. Couldn't agree more.

    Steve McQueen was also a character, bad temper, womaniser with a impostor syndrome and a huge chip on his shoulder. Still, he is the King of Cool. There's only one Tom Cruise. He's consistently awesome. And I do try not to use that word very often. But he is, awesome.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    Saw the IMAX preview.

    Cool stunt. Can’t say it’s getting me all that hyped. But I’m probably just in shock over how good AVATAR: THE WAY OF WATER surprised me.
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    Rick Sylvester would be proud!
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    Zekidk wrote: »
    Rick Sylvester would be proud!

    Yes!
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    Zekidk wrote: »
    Rick Sylvester would be proud!

    He’s more likely thanking his lucky stars that he got to perform those stunts himself rather than a movie star.
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    Hasn't Bond performed just as impressive stunts and some if not better why they keep calling it the greatest stunt in cinema history? https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/tom-cruise-performs-the-most-dangerous-stunt-hes-ever-attempted-in-behind-the-scenes-clip-from-mi-7
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    It's Tom Cruise's public relations at work.
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
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    Well Bond hasn't done an impressive sequence since the foot chase in CR. The action in Bond has been forgettable for some time. While MI has had at least 1 major signature stunt/sequence (which the film as been built/marketed around) in each film since Ghost Protocol (though the earlier films had their own memorable moments, Cruise began raising the bar with MI 4.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    Well Bond hasn't done an impressive sequence since the foot chase in CR. The action in Bond has been forgettable for some time. While MI has had at least 1 major signature stunt/sequence (which the film as been built/marketed around) in each film since Ghost Protocol (though the earlier films had their own memorable moments, Cruise began raising the bar with MI 4.

    This. Bond used to set the bar, now M:I is doing that.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    Creasy47 wrote: »
    Well Bond hasn't done an impressive sequence since the foot chase in CR. The action in Bond has been forgettable for some time. While MI has had at least 1 major signature stunt/sequence (which the film as been built/marketed around) in each film since Ghost Protocol (though the earlier films had their own memorable moments, Cruise began raising the bar with MI 4.

    This. Bond used to set the bar, now M:I is doing that.

    It’s partly due to the fact that EON keeps hiring art house directors. Not ones good with action.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    Well Bond hasn't done an impressive sequence since the foot chase in CR. The action in Bond has been forgettable for some time. While MI has had at least 1 major signature stunt/sequence (which the film as been built/marketed around) in each film since Ghost Protocol (though the earlier films had their own memorable moments, Cruise began raising the bar with MI 4.

    I’d argue it’s not exactly a prerequisite for Bond. That emphasis on the one “signature stunt” didn’t really kick off until Roger Moore’s films, and has been infrequent since. Movies like DN and FRWL didn’t need Bond to skydive to thrill audiences. Whatever issues I may have with movies like TWINE or QOS, the lack of a world breaking signature stunt is among my lowest concerns.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
    edited December 2022 Posts: 8,102
    MaxCasino wrote: »
    Creasy47 wrote: »
    Well Bond hasn't done an impressive sequence since the foot chase in CR. The action in Bond has been forgettable for some time. While MI has had at least 1 major signature stunt/sequence (which the film as been built/marketed around) in each film since Ghost Protocol (though the earlier films had their own memorable moments, Cruise began raising the bar with MI 4.

    This. Bond used to set the bar, now M:I is doing that.

    It’s partly due to the fact that EON keeps hiring art house directors. Not ones good with action.

    That’s not how it works. It all comes down to second unit directors and the editors they’re paired with.

    The action in CR and SF works because they have the combined powers of Alexander Witt and Stuart Baird. And then you get SP, while Witt is still directing the action, editor Lee Smith unfortunately neutered it from its potential.

    All that action fans like from 80s Bond films? Thank Arthur Wooster, who gets way too overlooked because fans think it’s all John Glen.
  • mattjoesmattjoes TINY TIM
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    Well Bond hasn't done an impressive sequence since the foot chase in CR. The action in Bond has been forgettable for some time. While MI has had at least 1 major signature stunt/sequence (which the film as been built/marketed around) in each film since Ghost Protocol (though the earlier films had their own memorable moments, Cruise began raising the bar with MI 4.

    For me, the Spectre pre-title sequence is classic Bond action. That whole business with the helicopter is very exciting, even if it has shades of other Bond films. I love how Bond is dealing with Sciarra, the pilot and the helicopter at the same time. The crowd panicking on the square. The music. The Bond theme brass stab after he avoids crashing into the ground.

    I also love the explosion and falling down of the building. It's mayhem that's both fun and funny.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Hasn't Bond performed just as impressive stunts and some if not better why they keep calling it the greatest stunt in cinema history? https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/tom-cruise-performs-the-most-dangerous-stunt-hes-ever-attempted-in-behind-the-scenes-clip-from-mi-7

    I agree it’s not ‘the greatest stunt in movie history’ - I think the plane one was more impressive to be honest, and the Burj Kalifa probably remains untoppable in truth, but it’s still a great stunt and will probably look amazing thanks to the new ways they have of shooting it.
    The Goldeneye stunt is great, but instantly undermined by the terrible shot of Brosnan on a green screen.
  • Jordo007Jordo007 Merseyside
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    I think the bike stunt in NTTD, would have been more of a wow moment had Bond been getting chased and there been more build up to it.

    I can't wait to see that stunt in MI7 in Imax. It's going to be incredible, Cruise keeps raising the bar
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Yeah the NTTD bike jump was a great stunt, but thrown away by the direction I think, so it was quite hard to care. Even the bridge jump kind of washed over me a bit.
    And to be fair, to some extent the plane stunt in Rogue Nation is similar: it doesn’t have much importance and the music kind of tries to make it a bit boring. It’s such an impressive stunt that it still pulls through, but the film could have made more of it.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
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    A big problem with a lot of these stunts in this day and age is how much attention is drawn to them in the build-up, also. You're kind of numb to them by the time the film actually comes out.

    The bike scene in NTTD and the plane in Rogue Nation are prime examples. Both of those films end up having more memorable moments by default because you're kind of surprised by other things when you end up seeing them, helped by the fact that both take place near the beginning of the film.

    Fallout had the same issue, to be fair. A massive deal was made about the HALO jump yet it's my least favourite action sequence in the film. I found all of the others more thrilling.
  • edited December 2022 Posts: 118
    mtm wrote: »
    Hasn't Bond performed just as impressive stunts and some if not better why they keep calling it the greatest stunt in cinema history? https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/tom-cruise-performs-the-most-dangerous-stunt-hes-ever-attempted-in-behind-the-scenes-clip-from-mi-7

    I agree it’s not ‘the greatest stunt in movie history’ - I think the plane one was more impressive to be honest, and the Burj Kalifa probably remains untoppable in truth, but it’s still a great stunt and will probably look amazing thanks to the new ways they have of shooting it.
    The Goldeneye stunt is great, but instantly undermined by the terrible shot of Brosnan on a green screen.

    Didn't bond do something just as impressive as Burj Kalifa and the plane? @mtm
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    @CraigMooreOHMSS, I agree with that, i.e. buildup in the marketing. It'd serve me well to avoid trailers just for that reason but I'm too impatient for such a thing.

    Even with NTTD, as rarely as I tried to watch those trailers, I felt like I had seen the bridge jump, the bike stunt, and nearly all of the Norway chase by the time the film released.
  • Last_Rat_StandingLast_Rat_Standing Long Neck Ice Cold Beer Never Broke My Heart
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    I'm definitely the minority here. I don't want to see Mission Impossible- like action scenes in Bond films. I don't care if it's better.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
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    I do think Bond is better served going the other way in terms of action, but it's understandable that they feel the need to compete even if they can't.
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    I do think Bond is better served going the other way in terms of action, but it's understandable that they feel the need to compete even if they can't.

    Hasn't Bond done stunts just as impressive? I hate when it's turned into a competition.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
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    I do think Bond is better served going the other way in terms of action, but it's understandable that they feel the need to compete even if they can't.

    Hasn't Bond done stunts just as impressive? I hate when it's turned into a competition.

    No, I don't think there's anything as impressive stuntwise in Bond as the climbing of the tallest building in the world. However, that doesn't make Ghost Protocol a better film than Skyfall.
  • edited December 2022 Posts: 118
    I do think Bond is better served going the other way in terms of action, but it's understandable that they feel the need to compete even if they can't.

    Hasn't Bond done stunts just as impressive? I hate when it's turned into a competition.

    No, I don't think there's anything as impressive stuntwise in Bond as the climbing of the tallest building in the world. However, that doesn't make Ghost Protocol a better film than Skyfall.

    What about the spy who loved me ski jump or the moonraker opening or the crocodile stunt there are more dangerous stunts than climbing a building? Or the stuff in the living daylights?
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    A big problem with a lot of these stunts in this day and age is how much attention is drawn to them in the build-up, also. You're kind of numb to them by the time the film actually comes out.

    The bike scene in NTTD and the plane in Rogue Nation are prime examples. Both of those films end up having more memorable moments by default because you're kind of surprised by other things when you end up seeing them, helped by the fact that both take place near the beginning of the film.

    Fallout had the same issue, to be fair. A massive deal was made about the HALO jump yet it's my least favourite action sequence in the film. I found all of the others more thrilling.

    I don’t know if I’d totally agree; I think that jump sequence was a properly exciting set piece. The main let down was the CG sky in it, but I guess there was no way around it for the story.
    mtm wrote: »
    Hasn't Bond performed just as impressive stunts and some if not better why they keep calling it the greatest stunt in cinema history? https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/tom-cruise-performs-the-most-dangerous-stunt-hes-ever-attempted-in-behind-the-scenes-clip-from-mi-7

    I agree it’s not ‘the greatest stunt in movie history’ - I think the plane one was more impressive to be honest, and the Burj Kalifa probably remains untoppable in truth, but it’s still a great stunt and will probably look amazing thanks to the new ways they have of shooting it.
    The Goldeneye stunt is great, but instantly undermined by the terrible shot of Brosnan on a green screen.

    Didn't bond do something just as impressive as Burj Kalifa and the plane? @mtm

    It’s not really a matter of supporting one team over the other; we can all watch any movies we like, so the only winner is us.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
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    I do think Bond is better served going the other way in terms of action, but it's understandable that they feel the need to compete even if they can't.

    Hasn't Bond done stunts just as impressive? I hate when it's turned into a competition.

    No, I don't think there's anything as impressive stuntwise in Bond as the climbing of the tallest building in the world. However, that doesn't make Ghost Protocol a better film than Skyfall.

    What about the spy who loved me ski jump or the moonraker open or the crocodile stunt they are more dangerous than climbing a building? Or the stuff in the living daylights?

    They're very impressive undoubtedly (the plane stuff in TLD is among my favourite stunts of all time) but I wouldn't say they're as good as "climbing a building". If we're going to use that sort of rhetoric then all they did in TSWLM was just "ski off a cliff".

    My point is that Bond is more than just about stunts and they should capitalise on that rather than try outdo Cruise, who gives the audience for M:I exactly what they want from those films.
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    mtm wrote: »
    A big problem with a lot of these stunts in this day and age is how much attention is drawn to them in the build-up, also. You're kind of numb to them by the time the film actually comes out.

    The bike scene in NTTD and the plane in Rogue Nation are prime examples. Both of those films end up having more memorable moments by default because you're kind of surprised by other things when you end up seeing them, helped by the fact that both take place near the beginning of the film.

    Fallout had the same issue, to be fair. A massive deal was made about the HALO jump yet it's my least favourite action sequence in the film. I found all of the others more thrilling.

    I don’t know if I’d totally agree; I think that jump sequence was a properly exciting set piece. The main let down was the CG sky in it, but I guess there was no way around it for the story.
    mtm wrote: »
    Hasn't Bond performed just as impressive stunts and some if not better why they keep calling it the greatest stunt in cinema history? https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/tom-cruise-performs-the-most-dangerous-stunt-hes-ever-attempted-in-behind-the-scenes-clip-from-mi-7

    I agree it’s not ‘the greatest stunt in movie history’ - I think the plane one was more impressive to be honest, and the Burj Kalifa probably remains untoppable in truth, but it’s still a great stunt and will probably look amazing thanks to the new ways they have of shooting it.
    The Goldeneye stunt is great, but instantly undermined by the terrible shot of Brosnan on a green screen.

    Didn't bond do something just as impressive as Burj Kalifa and the plane? @mtm

    It’s not really a matter of supporting one team over the other; we can all watch any movies we like, so the only winner is us.

    Your saying the stunts competition is subjective? @mtm
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited December 2022 Posts: 15,650
    I think one of the tenets of Bond, especially in the 80s and 90s, very much was big, inventive stunts. I wouldn’t mind returning to that a bit more.
    mtm wrote: »
    A big problem with a lot of these stunts in this day and age is how much attention is drawn to them in the build-up, also. You're kind of numb to them by the time the film actually comes out.

    The bike scene in NTTD and the plane in Rogue Nation are prime examples. Both of those films end up having more memorable moments by default because you're kind of surprised by other things when you end up seeing them, helped by the fact that both take place near the beginning of the film.

    Fallout had the same issue, to be fair. A massive deal was made about the HALO jump yet it's my least favourite action sequence in the film. I found all of the others more thrilling.

    I don’t know if I’d totally agree; I think that jump sequence was a properly exciting set piece. The main let down was the CG sky in it, but I guess there was no way around it for the story.
    mtm wrote: »
    Hasn't Bond performed just as impressive stunts and some if not better why they keep calling it the greatest stunt in cinema history? https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/tom-cruise-performs-the-most-dangerous-stunt-hes-ever-attempted-in-behind-the-scenes-clip-from-mi-7

    I agree it’s not ‘the greatest stunt in movie history’ - I think the plane one was more impressive to be honest, and the Burj Kalifa probably remains untoppable in truth, but it’s still a great stunt and will probably look amazing thanks to the new ways they have of shooting it.
    The Goldeneye stunt is great, but instantly undermined by the terrible shot of Brosnan on a green screen.

    Didn't bond do something just as impressive as Burj Kalifa and the plane? @mtm

    It’s not really a matter of supporting one team over the other; we can all watch any movies we like, so the only winner is us.

    Your saying the stunts competition is subjective? @mtm

    I’m saying that seeing it as a competition at all is a little pointless. They’re both terrific and I own all of each series on disc and enjoy them both. I don’t need to pick which is best.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
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    mtm wrote: »
    A big problem with a lot of these stunts in this day and age is how much attention is drawn to them in the build-up, also. You're kind of numb to them by the time the film actually comes out.

    The bike scene in NTTD and the plane in Rogue Nation are prime examples. Both of those films end up having more memorable moments by default because you're kind of surprised by other things when you end up seeing them, helped by the fact that both take place near the beginning of the film.

    Fallout had the same issue, to be fair. A massive deal was made about the HALO jump yet it's my least favourite action sequence in the film. I found all of the others more thrilling.

    I don’t know if I’d totally agree; I think that jump sequence was a properly exciting set piece. The main let down was the CG sky in it, but I guess there was no way around it for the story.

    It didn't really do it for me in comparison with the other stuff in the film, unfortunately. It was good, but I don't think the impact of it matched the song and dance that was made of it beforehand. I got much more enjoyment out of the bathroom fight, for example. But, at the end of the day, we're talking about a film full of great sequences so it's a fairly minor criticism in the grand scheme.

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