Double O by Kim Sherwood

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  • goldenswissroyalegoldenswissroyale Switzerland
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    I bought Double or Nothing yesterday and I'm looking forward to read in the next week(s).
  • Agent_99Agent_99 enjoys a spirited ride as much as the next girl
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    mtm wrote: »
    Yeah it could be fun to do a Bond collection, couldn’t it?

    I'm just waiting for that call!
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    Red_Snow wrote: »

    With Casino Royale’s 70th anniversary next year, I wonder if IFP is doing anything similar that EON is for Dr. No’s 60th anniversary. If there would be a short story collection, I would like to see other characters get a story about themselves, like Dynamite Comics’ Case Files collection.
  • JustJamesJustJames London
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    It… kind of fell apart in that last fifteen percent of the book really didn’t it? Couple of janky bits/plot holes and needed a better editor — bits of it were really good, but other bits not-so-much. Having the villain (one of them) be basically doing a Dr.Noah was a deep space nine Easter egg too far — but I think the thing that stopped it being really great was the staggering number of coincidences, even allowing for the statistics theme/quantum computing. Was… good but clumsy in the end.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    I think it’s time for James Bond to take more of a note from Sherlock Holmes and various comic book characters. I’d give a few characters a chance before fully writing off not trying more characters. Not just Moneypenny, she’s gotten two versions for herself: past and present, thankfully. Felix Leiter worked well, with Dynamite. It’s a shame we never got another story about himself. Other characters who would work are Blofeld, Goldfinger and maybe even May and Q. Just some suggestions for Wednesday.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    I've visited there, it's a lovely spot right on the river Dart.
  • CharmianBondCharmianBond Pett Bottom, Kent
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    I just finished reading the book and rather unsurprisingly I loved it. I couldn't put it down, I thought it was bold and inventive. I loved how modern it was in every sense and with characters that I immediately fell in love with. I enjoyed it as a story in it's own right, showing what it takes to be a Double O and the toll it takes on a person, while also having those legacy characters to tie the world back to Fleming. This isn't formulaic in the way a Bond story can be, and that's a strength and a weakness because despite it's insistence to canon it can feel a bit generic but at the same time it has that freedom to play around.

    The plot is easy to follow despite how many plates are spinning, and there's some wonderful imagery. The broken Buran at Baikonur particularly, but image of Bond and Harwood being shot at while she performs an emergency tracheotomy is something that will stick with me. The only part I think doesn't quite come off is the villain, Sir Bertie isn't characterised as deeply I think he could've been, he doesn't feel like a true Bond villain but neither does he feel like a compelling "Double O Trilogy" villain and consequently he's the weakest part of the story for me.

    But this is the second Bond story set in the Sea of Okhotsk to give me emotional damage, which isn't a lot but it's weird that it's happened twice. First Bond dies and then Sid Bashir. The beauty of doing a story without Bond is that these character have no plot armour and Sherwood uses that to her advantage so deftly. I was sure she wouldn't let Harwood be a double agent, because she's named after the real Johanna Harwood. And that turns out to be true but she almost had me believing it. The same with Sid's death, this is the first part in trilogy he can't die, and so it hit me all the harder when he did. Also because he's a Bristol boy and I knew where he was talking about in his final moments really got to me.

    Overall, I think Sherwood's writing was excellent, and I'm just so grateful that the door has been open to a woman and that there is a Bond story which is unashamedly diverse. I'm looking forward to seeing how the trilogy develops.
  • Bondfan68Bondfan68 Columbus, GA USA
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    I just started DOUBLE OR NOTHING today. Can't say I am happy with the amount of profanity she uses. Not needed in a Bond book. Never has been and never will be IMHO.
  • CharmianBondCharmianBond Pett Bottom, Kent
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    Bondfan68 wrote: »
    I just started DOUBLE OR NOTHING today. Can't say I am happy with the amount of profanity she uses. Not needed in a Bond book. Never has been and never will be IMHO.

    That did take me off guard but I like it, makes it feel more real, more modern I suppose and set it apart from other Bond novels. But I know people have different thresholds for this sort of thing, I hope you can enjoy the rest of it regardless.

    (As a general question though: Does Tanner have the honour of having the first fully written f-word in the literary Bond series?)
  • Bondfan68Bondfan68 Columbus, GA USA
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    Bondfan68 wrote: »
    I just started DOUBLE OR NOTHING today. Can't say I am happy with the amount of profanity she uses. Not needed in a Bond book. Never has been and never will be IMHO.

    That did take me off guard but I like it, makes it feel more real, more modern I suppose and set it apart from other Bond novels. But I know people have different thresholds for this sort of thing, I hope you can enjoy the rest of it regardless.

    (As a general question though: Does Tanner have the honour of having the first fully written f-word in the literary Bond series?)

    I think he did, yes. I'm going to keep going and try to just ignore that word in the text.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
    edited October 2022 Posts: 4,103
    Bondfan68 wrote: »
    Bondfan68 wrote: »
    I just started DOUBLE OR NOTHING today. Can't say I am happy with the amount of profanity she uses. Not needed in a Bond book. Never has been and never will be IMHO.

    That did take me off guard but I like it, makes it feel more real, more modern I suppose and set it apart from other Bond novels. But I know people have different thresholds for this sort of thing, I hope you can enjoy the rest of it regardless.

    (As a general question though: Does Tanner have the honour of having the first fully written f-word in the literary Bond series?)

    I think he did, yes. I'm going to keep going and try to just ignore that word in the text.

    I remember in Solo’s ending that Bond and Leiter dropping f-bombs and laughing like Beavis and Butt-head at the book’s events. Talk about making a depressing story more depressing.
    I just finished reading the book and rather unsurprisingly I loved it. I couldn't put it down, I thought it was bold and inventive. I loved how modern it was in every sense and with characters that I immediately fell in love with. I enjoyed it as a story in it's own right, showing what it takes to be a Double O and the toll it takes on a person, while also having those legacy characters to tie the world back to Fleming. This isn't formulaic in the way a Bond story can be, and that's a strength and a weakness because despite it's insistence to canon it can feel a bit generic but at the same time it has that freedom to play around.

    The plot is easy to follow despite how many plates are spinning, and there's some wonderful imagery. The broken Buran at Baikonur particularly, but image of Bond and Harwood being shot at while she performs an emergency tracheotomy is something that will stick with me. The only part I think doesn't quite come off is the villain, Sir Bertie isn't characterised as deeply I think he could've been, he doesn't feel like a true Bond villain but neither does he feel like a compelling "Double O Trilogy" villain and consequently he's the weakest part of the story for me.

    But this is the second Bond story set in the Sea of Okhotsk to give me emotional damage, which isn't a lot but it's weird that it's happened twice. First Bond dies and then Sid Bashir. The beauty of doing a story without Bond is that these character have no plot armour and Sherwood uses that to her advantage so deftly. I was sure she wouldn't let Harwood be a double agent, because she's named after the real Johanna Harwood. And that turns out to be true but she almost had me believing it. The same with Sid's death, this is the first part in trilogy he can't die, and so it hit me all the harder when he did. Also because he's a Bristol boy and I knew where he was talking about in his final moments really got to me.

    Overall, I think Sherwood's writing was excellent, and I'm just so grateful that the door has been open to a woman and that there is a Bond story which is unashamedly diverse. I'm looking forward to seeing how the trilogy develops.

    Happy to see another fan. I’m happy she’s coming back. Hopefully so will the surprise classic characters that we got in the book as well!
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
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    Bondfan68 wrote: »
    I just started DOUBLE OR NOTHING today. Can't say I am happy with the amount of profanity she uses. Not needed in a Bond book. Never has been and never will be IMHO.

    That did take me off guard but I like it, makes it feel more real, more modern I suppose and set it apart from other Bond novels. But I know people have different thresholds for this sort of thing, I hope you can enjoy the rest of it regardless.

    (As a general question though: Does Tanner have the honour of having the first fully written f-word in the literary Bond series?)

    I think that Felix Leiter uses the f-word in Raymond Benson's The Facts of Death (1998). I know the swearing was remarked upon at the time as being atypical of Bond. That said, both Fleming's Dr. No and Goldfinger contain blanked out swear words. This was pre- the Lady Chatterley trial in 1960 so I'm not sure if obscenity laws allowed the f-word to be fully written out in a novel in those days. I myself don't like the trend towards swearing in Bond but it seems to be increasing given the Craig era's use of the f-word. Of course it's merely reflecting the increased use of profanity in novels, films and TV shows across the board but something doesn't quite sit right with me about profanity in Bond's world. The general civility of language and sophistication was one of the things that set Bond apart from other more blue collar or thick ear heroes and it would be a shame to lose that in a misguided attempt to be contemporary.
  • CharmianBondCharmianBond Pett Bottom, Kent
    Posts: 534
    MaxCasino wrote: »

    I remember in Solo’s ending that Bond and Leiter dropping f-bombs and laughing like Beavis and Butt-head at the book’s events. Talk about making a depressing story more depressing.

    I see. I still have that to look forward to, or not as the case may be.

    Yay, I'm happy there are more Double O fans, although it's given me a greater appreciation of James Bond. Now there's double the fun 😆. I was so surprised there were so many classic characters that the fact she spoiled a major one at the book launch didn't bother me. But also Mrs Keator is one of my new favourites and I would read a whole book about her.
  • CharmianBondCharmianBond Pett Bottom, Kent
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    Dragonpol wrote: »
    Bondfan68 wrote: »
    I just started DOUBLE OR NOTHING today. Can't say I am happy with the amount of profanity she uses. Not needed in a Bond book. Never has been and never will be IMHO.

    That did take me off guard but I like it, makes it feel more real, more modern I suppose and set it apart from other Bond novels. But I know people have different thresholds for this sort of thing, I hope you can enjoy the rest of it regardless.

    (As a general question though: Does Tanner have the honour of having the first fully written f-word in the literary Bond series?)

    I think that Felix Leiter uses the f-word in Raymond Benson's The Facts of Death (1998). I know the swearing was remarked upon at the time as being atypical of Bond. That said, both Fleming's Dr. No and Goldfinger contain blanked out swear words. This was pre- the Lady Chatterley trial in 1960 so I'm not sure if obscenity laws allowed the f-word to be fully written out in a novel in those days. I myself don't like the trend towards swearing in Bond but it seems to be increasing given the Craig era's use of the f-word. Of course it's merely reflecting the increased use of profanity in novels, films and TV shows across the board but something doesn't quite sit right with me about profanity in Bond's world. The general civility of language and sophistication was one of the things that set Bond apart from other more blue collar or thick ear heroes and it would be a shame to lose that in a misguided attempt to be contemporary.

    I really enjoy how the Craig era has done it, of course they're only allowed one f-word, so it never feels too much and giving it to M in Skyfall is great at punctuating her desperation and Mallory's in NTTD is such a perfect comedic beat and I love when it's done in any piece of media.

    Still I never felt it was gratuitous in Double or Nothing, maybe because Bond's not there I wasn't as critical of it, and it enhanced the world rather than taking me out of it. But like I say it part of the tightrope the novel walks between being tied to Bond while also doing its own thing.
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    Sir Bertie ? Really ? A cutesy name for a VILLAIN ???
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
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    Since62 wrote: »
    Sir Bertie ? Really ? A cutesy name for a VILLAIN ???

    I'm sure the much missed @Strog would approve of that villain name.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    US Cover. I like it better than the other one. Also, she confirms that she’s almost done with book 2. Possible announcement coming soon!
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
    edited November 2022 Posts: 4,103


    I think we’ll get a title when DON releases in the US. At least we’ll have one new adventure of Bond related material. Not including Dynamite Comics stories. 2023 should be a good year for Bond fans, in many unique ways.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    99p on Kindle today at Amazon

    https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B09KX6YFMT/
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    https://kimsherwood.substack.com/p/countdown?utm_source=twitter&sd=pf

    She’s currently editing the second book in the 00 trilogy. I’d guess a title reveal will be April.
  • CharmianBondCharmianBond Pett Bottom, Kent
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    MaxCasino wrote: »

    That was a good interview, most of the stuff I read elsewhere but the tease of books 2 and 3 being more experimental in style is interesting it's certainly what I liked most in the Fleming series and I suppose we did get a lot of bold character choices in Double or Nothing. But I think that's easier to deal with when there are a dozen books, the detours like FRWL or TSWLM felt special. I don't know how well that would work with a planned trilogy. But she does say it continues on from book 1 so as long as Harwood and Dryden are back and ideally working together I'll be happy, I don't want them to end up like Poe and Rey in the Star Wars sequels.
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