NO TIME TO DIE (2021) - First Reactions vs. Current Reactions

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  • FeyadorFeyador Montreal, Canada
    edited November 2021 Posts: 735
    matt_u wrote: »
    Minion wrote: »
    matt_u wrote: »
    Another little plot hole I noticed is that Blofeld, speaking about Swann, tells Bond: She's very good at hiding things, you said it yourself. How the hell Blofeld knew that? Bond literally said that to M the very same day...

    This is honestly the only thing I'm still puzzled about in the film, is Blofeld repeating that line.

    "We have people everywhere..."

    Yeah, but by the time M and Bond have had their chat at the riverside, Blofeld has had his bionic eye taken away.

    It’s the only thing in the film that is literally impossible to explain. Basically, they made an error.
    Probably, but ...

    ... Blofeld had heard her father say that, or something very similar, in SP, on the video that records his death.

    Also, in NTTD, Bond makes his comment, "We all have our secrets, we just didn't get to yours yet," in the car just after that phone call from Blofeld. Actually, there's a cut to some action and then the Bond comment. Was it a live phone call and Blofeld was listening in?

    And if Madeleine was the only one Blofeld was taking to in the prison, and given his obsession with Bond, it's not difficult to imagine him eliciting that information from Madeleine ....

    Just some thoughts ....
  • Posts: 1,004
    chrisisall wrote: »
    I'll take the last 30 minutes of SP over the last 30 of NTTD... seriously, I came away from NTTD all depressed & stuff...

    Me too.

    I thought the last few minutes of SP were wonderful, by the way. I so wish the Craig era would have finished there.

  • MinionMinion Don't Hassle the Bond
    edited November 2021 Posts: 1,165
    I've never walked away from a movie legitimately depressed. Even The Last Jedi only left me with a sense of indifference. Life is too short to spend getting ruffled by movies, let alone continuing to vent about something long after it's time to move on.
  • TripAcesTripAces Universal Exports
    edited November 2021 Posts: 4,554

    matt_u wrote: »
    Speaking about the theme of the double depicted throughout the Craig era...

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    Exactly. I wrote of this a few pages ago: in death, Bond's image is split. There are two of him. "Two Jameses."

    Thanks for posting the perfect capture of that.
  • VenutiusVenutius Yorkshire
    edited November 2021 Posts: 2,928
    The Craig era DID end with Bond and Madeleine driving away down Whitehall at the end of SP.
    The last 30 minutes of SP take place after the end of NTTD!
    NTTD isn't real - it's all in Bond's head while he's being tortured in the crater base in SP. He's alive, man! ;)
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    chrisisall wrote: »
    I'll take the last 30 minutes of SP over the last 30 of NTTD... seriously, I came away from NTTD all depressed & stuff...

    Me too.

    I thought the last few minutes of SP were wonderful, by the way. I so wish the Craig era would have finished there.
    Yep.
    Venutius wrote: »
    The Craig era DID end with Bond and Madeleine driving away down Whitehall at the end of SP.
    The last 30 minutes of SP take place after the end of NTTD!
    NTTD isn't real - it's all in Bond's head while he's being tortured in the crater base in SP. He's alive, man! ;)
    Nicely played man!
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
    edited November 2021 Posts: 8,025
    I cannot for the life of me understand this movie causing “depression”. Maybe I just didn’t watch Bond when I was young enough? I only got into Bond when I was 13, so I’m not as attached to it.
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
    Posts: 7,526
    I cannot for the life of me understand this movie causing “depression”. Maybe I just didn’t watch Bond when I was young enough? I only got into Bond when I was 13, so I’m not as attached to it.

    +1
  • BirdlesonBirdleson Moderator
    edited November 2021 Posts: 2,161
    Would you rather we all reacted the same way? I left irritated, not depressed. Though my overall assessment is and was generally positive. Thanks to my parents being too cheap to hire babysitters, I started when I was 2 1/2 (and those early images remain).
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
    Posts: 7,526
    Birdleson wrote: »
    Would you rather we all reacted the same way? I left irritated, not depressed. Though my overall assessment is and was generally positive.

    I don’t think the sentiment was directed at these types of very reasonable reactions. It seems like in the community there are some “overreactions”, is all.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
    Posts: 8,025
    Birdleson wrote: »
    Would you rather we all reacted the same way? I left irritated, not depressed. Though my overall assessment is and was generally positive.

    Irritated, I can totally get. I’ve had that with some movies irritate me, but never extends beyond the immediate moment of watching it.
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
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    Venutius wrote: »
    The Craig era DID end with Bond and Madeleine driving away down Whitehall at the end of SP.
    The last 30 minutes of SP take place after the end of NTTD!
    NTTD isn't real - it's all in Bond's head while he's being tortured in the crater base in SP. He's alive, man! ;)
    That might explain why the time on Bond's wristwatch changes so drastically during the torture scene. Compare the time before he passes out and afterwards, and you'll see that around eleven hours have passed.
  • MinionMinion Don't Hassle the Bond
    Posts: 1,165
    Birdleson wrote: »
    Would you rather we all reacted the same way? I left irritated, not depressed. Though my overall assessment is and was generally positive.

    Irritated, I can totally get. I’ve had that with some movies irritate me, but never extends beyond the immediate moment of watching it.

    Methinks a few users here exaggerate for the drama. I’ve seen at least two posts made by “shell shocked” husbands needing to “console” their “hysterical” wives after attending NTTD. As if.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    There's no Santa Claus, btw.

    Merry Christmas.
  • MinionMinion Don't Hassle the Bond
    Posts: 1,165
    …I need a hug.
  • AceHoleAceHole Belgium, via Britain
    Posts: 1,727
    There's no Santa Claus, btw.

    Merry Christmas.

    :-O
  • 00Heaven00Heaven Home
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    Minion wrote: »
    Birdleson wrote: »
    Would you rather we all reacted the same way? I left irritated, not depressed. Though my overall assessment is and was generally positive.

    Irritated, I can totally get. I’ve had that with some movies irritate me, but never extends beyond the immediate moment of watching it.

    Methinks a few users here exaggerate for the drama. I’ve seen at least two posts made by “shell shocked” husbands needing to “console” their “hysterical” wives after attending NTTD. As if.

    It's classic hyperbole. I've cried every time I've seen it but in no way does that qualify someone as being depressed or hysterical. I just show my emotions more readily than others and movies with sad endings always tend to make me cry anyway. I don't know.. The moment gets to me. It's five minutes then... I'm done. I suspect wives are being used to further arguments here when really they're probably setting an example on how to treat it.
  • w2bondw2bond is indeed a very rare breed
    edited November 2021 Posts: 2,252
    Just got released here and I've watched it for the third time.

    The girl sitting next to me was wiping tears at the end. My sister did the same.

    Biggest laugh: "Q shut up"
    2nd place: "Another child?"
    Other laughs were in the right places. Matilde's slinky got a chuckle
  • edited November 2021 Posts: 386
    Finally got to see it in Australia.
    Just my opinion, but horrible film. All over the place, reflective of chaotic early production. Why do we need to give Bond a family? Who do we need to sacrifice him?

    Bond rejected Madeleine despite the clear setup because ... trust issues? Safin wanted to prune the world of people because ... tidy? Bond needed to die because ... drama?

    Don’t get me wrong. Craig was spectacular in Casino Royale, itself a brilliant movie, top 3 Bond hands down. Quantum is a misunderstood bullet and Skyfall has its charms as the broody one. But it should’ve stopped there. In hindsight, Craig should’ve stopped there. Spectre and No Time to Die are awful. Awful.

    My lasting impression of this movie will be Craig limping around Safin’s lair for an interminable period before catching a missile on the chest. His end was more irritating than anything else.

    Why? Why was this necessary? Are we so mired in television narrative arcs that each Bond instalment must now out-soap the last?

    I really like Daniel Craig. But his “arc” has overstayed it’s welcome. Time for some decent storytelling and not these gargantuan messes weighed down by silly baggage.
  • Posts: 1,004
    I was with it till Bond goes to Maddy's house. Then we had the 'I love you' speech, then the kid appears. That was kind of the Ice Palace moment for this film, for me.
  • cwl007cwl007 England
    Posts: 611
    There's no Santa Claus, btw.

    Merry Christmas.

    Use spoiler tags please, I wasn't ready to read that.😢
  • BennyBenny In the shadowsAdministrator, Moderator
    Posts: 14,878
    Finally after all this time, NTTD was released in cinema's today in Australia.
    First reaction, I really enjoyed it. Even the ending. Although it's not the normal way for a Bond film to end, I thought the story arc for Daniel Craig's OO7 played out well. I can understand it's not for everyone, but personally I had no problem with it.
    I loved the look and direction, the score and Ken Adam style sets. Much better writing than SP, and although the villains plot may seem a little weak, it's still a decently evil Bond villain scheme. Top marks for Ana De Armas inclusion, and I even like her role was an extended cameo.
    12,007th post ^
  • GadgetManGadgetMan Lagos, Nigeria
    edited November 2021 Posts: 4,247
    After seeing it and naturally feeling depressed about the ending, the only thing that has kept me going is the thought of Skyfall where Bond says his hobby is RESURRECTION! And right now, I can't wait for Bond's resurrection in Bond 26. And I wonder if RESURRECTION would be a good title for Bond 26 though.
  • Are cinemas in Oz being well-attended for NTTD? It's the last big market.
  • GadgetManGadgetMan Lagos, Nigeria
    Posts: 4,247
    I was also surprised as to how loquacious Bond was and Craig's Bond for that matter.
  • I find it ironic that for so long, the Craig era has been characterised as being a fresh turn and a fresh start for the franchise, the rulebook of traditions being ripped up and thrown out. Yet in its dying moments and the last movie, it reaches out desperately to the other 20 movies it has tried so hard to move away from, almost to save it. I have felt like the past 15 years of Craig and his movies has been a lecture on how everything about the first 20 movies was wrong and how the Craig way was the right way for the franchise. Yet so many references to past Bond movies are in NTTD. The Aston Martin from TLD. The car kick death scene is heavily borrowed from FYEO (one of the defining moments in the whole franchise and played out by Roger Moore). There are countless others. Seemed like the Producers were desperate to send a message though as has often been the case with MW and BB, it is muddled. I half expect Bond to approach the island in the crocodile submarine from Octopussy.

    The more I think about the use of We Have All the Time in the World in NTTD, the more it angers me. It is lazy production at best and an insult to OHMSS/Tracy Bond at worst. It doesn't fit and is undeserving. There is only one Mrs James Bond.

    I am glad the Craig era is done and it ended how it did. It is the final act of Craig trying to be different and stand out. It worked. Well done. But time for a change in direction. I was half expecting him to pull out a locket and take in a photo of Judi Dench in his last moments.

    It's a game of opinions and so many will disagree. But I am fed up of leaving a Bond movie and feeling deflated, exhausted, downbeat and pessimistic.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
    Posts: 45,489
    cwl007 wrote: »
    There's no Santa Claus, btw.

    Merry Christmas.

    Use spoiler tags please, I wasn't ready to read that.😢

    Come on, he is just messing with us. If there is no Santa Claus, how come we still have Christmas and presents every year? How would that work?
  • 00Heaven wrote: »
    Minion wrote: »
    Birdleson wrote: »
    Would you rather we all reacted the same way? I left irritated, not depressed. Though my overall assessment is and was generally positive.

    Irritated, I can totally get. I’ve had that with some movies irritate me, but never extends beyond the immediate moment of watching it.

    Methinks a few users here exaggerate for the drama. I’ve seen at least two posts made by “shell shocked” husbands needing to “console” their “hysterical” wives after attending NTTD. As if.

    It's classic hyperbole. I've cried every time I've seen it but in no way does that qualify someone as being depressed or hysterical. I just show my emotions more readily than others and movies with sad endings always tend to make me cry anyway. I don't know.. The moment gets to me. It's five minutes then... I'm done. I suspect wives are being used to further arguments here when really they're probably setting an example on how to treat it.


    I've cried every time I've seen it. It's an immensely moving film. I have found different parts get me every time. Last time I watched it, Bond and Madeleine pulling into Matera with WHATTITW playing nearly did me in.

    When I first saw it, I wished Bond had kept the line at the end we have all the time in the world. But every viewing, I've loved the change to you more and more. In his last moments, he was able to give the time to her (and Mathilde) that his previous choices denied them. Craig's delivery is wrenching, and I'm always wiping my eyes.

    However, instead of feeling depressed at the end, I usually can't wait to watch it again.
  • edited November 2021 Posts: 372
    I get what you mean SignedByRogerMoore but I completely disagree.

    Sure, I'm a progressist, and I always wished what happens in NTTD happened in QOS right after CR. (In fact it would have if QOS had actually been Property Of A Lady).

    The Craig era was never about the rulebook of traditions being ripped up and thrown out. It was on the contrary about going back to the roots. It was never about to move away from the original 20. It was to reach back in the inner Bond, and add progressively the elements we love about the original 20.

    There were two distincts Bonds, the Fleming Bond and the Cinematic Bond, and the Craig era has been about marrying them together. Restore the authenticity of Bond.

    BlondeBond I didn't cry in the end because I know Bond will be back (and I'm about 80% certain it will be a continuity). What really moved me is the Pre-credits sequence because it's insanely good. It's the best pre-credits sequence in the history of the Bond films. It had all the action, the surprises, but also it has what defines Bond, a conflicted man who live on the edge and who can never find peace.

    That moment when Lea put her hand on her belly, and move to keep track of him, and he turns back to her emotions, and then disappears, man... This is the best definition of Bond ever put on film.
  • FeyadorFeyador Montreal, Canada
    edited November 2021 Posts: 735
    I don't get the "depression" reaction either. And instead find the entire ending to be rather celebratory, of both the Bond character himself and his legacy.

    As noted on the recent Richard Maibaum thread, the writer Penelope Gilliatt once famously referred to Bond films as "modern mythology" and the ending of NTTD has taken that idea to heart - quite literally. With his death, Bond has become a mythic figure worthy of the heroes of the ancient past.
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