NO TIME TO DIE (2021) - Discuss Hans Zimmer's Score

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  • Jordo007Jordo007 Merseyside
    Posts: 2,542
    Great breakdown @battleshipgreygt
    With the use of WHATTITW in the Matera track, has anyone mentioned the possibility that
    Bond and Madeline are married at the start of NTTD? Could that be a hint?
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    Jordo007 wrote: »
    Great breakdown @battleshipgreygt
    With the use of WHATTITW in the Matera track, has anyone mentioned the possibility that
    Bond and Madeline are married at the start of NTTD? Could that be a hint?
    It would be a bit odd if they were, in that Bond subsequently packs her off on a train then doesnt speak to her for five odd years.
  • NickThunderballsNickThunderballs Australia
    Posts: 133
    Mallory wrote: »
    Jordo007 wrote: »
    Great breakdown @battleshipgreygt
    With the use of WHATTITW in the Matera track, has anyone mentioned the possibility that
    Bond and Madeline are married at the start of NTTD? Could that be a hint?
    It would be a bit odd if they were, in that Bond subsequently packs her off on a train then doesnt speak to her for five odd years.

    Talk about cold feet lol :)
  • DoctorKaufmannDoctorKaufmann Can shoot you from Stuttgart and still make it look like suicide.
    Posts: 1,261
    WHATTITW is a personal theme associated with Bond's relationship and love of Tracy and ultimately her tragic death. Doesn't sit with me with another Bond character.

    In the Craig timeline, there was no Tracy.
  • WHATTITW is a personal theme associated with Bond's relationship and love of Tracy and ultimately her tragic death. Doesn't sit with me with another Bond character.

    In the Craig timeline, there was no Tracy.

    So what is the point of having it in?
  • DoctorKaufmannDoctorKaufmann Can shoot you from Stuttgart and still make it look like suicide.
    Posts: 1,261
    WHATTITW is a personal theme associated with Bond's relationship and love of Tracy and ultimately her tragic death. Doesn't sit with me with another Bond character.

    In the Craig timeline, there was no Tracy.

    So what is the point of having it in?

    Madeleine being the Tracy of the Craig timeline?
  • DCisaredDCisared Liverpool
    Posts: 1,329
    WHATTITW is a personal theme associated with Bond's relationship and love of Tracy and ultimately her tragic death. Doesn't sit with me with another Bond character.

    In the Craig timeline, there was no Tracy.

    So what is the point of having it in?

    It being just a ridiculously beautiful piece of music?
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    WHATTITW is a personal theme associated with Bond's relationship and love of Tracy and ultimately her tragic death. Doesn't sit with me with another Bond character.

    In the Craig timeline, there was no Tracy.

    How do you know? In the Craig era we jump from new Bond to very, very seasoned Bond. The Aston with the machine guns and ejector button could prove that he once fought Goldfinger and could have been married to Tracy. Just because he never mentioned her does not mean she could not be a part of this Bond's timeline. What if during the drive though Matera there is something that reminds him and us of Tracy?
  • delfloria wrote: »
    WHATTITW is a personal theme associated with Bond's relationship and love of Tracy and ultimately her tragic death. Doesn't sit with me with another Bond character.

    In the Craig timeline, there was no Tracy.

    How do you know? In the Craig era we jump from new Bond to very, very seasoned Bond. The Aston with the machine guns and ejector button could prove that he once fought Goldfinger and could have been married to Tracy. Just because he never mentioned her does not mean she could not be a part of this Bond's timeline. What if during the drive though Matera there is something that reminds him and us of Tracy?

    If something that significant had happened to him between films there would be some sort of reference to it. Also, Madeleine and Tracy are so similar it'd be a little redundant to have both in one timeline. I guess it's just head canon but I've always just believed that Bond had numerous nondescript missions between QoS and Skyfall that had nothing to do with the first 20 films.
  • DCisared wrote: »
    WHATTITW is a personal theme associated with Bond's relationship and love of Tracy and ultimately her tragic death. Doesn't sit with me with another Bond character.

    In the Craig timeline, there was no Tracy.

    So what is the point of having it in?

    It being just a ridiculously beautiful piece of music?

    It is indeed - but has a direct reference to Bond and his wife Tracy - their relationship and ultimately her death. So using this rationale, you would be happy if the piece had say a direct reference to the Vesper theme? I was just being ridiculous - but the same argument applies. Its a very personal theme. Now if the Madeleine theme had been used, then it would be totally appropriate.
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    delfloria wrote: »
    WHATTITW is a personal theme associated with Bond's relationship and love of Tracy and ultimately her tragic death. Doesn't sit with me with another Bond character.

    In the Craig timeline, there was no Tracy.

    How do you know? In the Craig era we jump from new Bond to very, very seasoned Bond. The Aston with the machine guns and ejector button could prove that he once fought Goldfinger and could have been married to Tracy. Just because he never mentioned her does not mean she could not be a part of this Bond's timeline. What if during the drive though Matera there is something that reminds him and us of Tracy?

    If something that significant had happened to him between films there would be some sort of reference to it. Also, Madeleine and Tracy are so similar it'd be a little redundant to have both in one timeline. I guess it's just head canon but I've always just believed that Bond had numerous nondescript missions between QoS and Skyfall that had nothing to do with the first 20 films.

    But what Eon has done with the inclusion of the DB-5 from Goldfinger, which is a different one than the one he won in Casino Royal, is solidly indicate that the Goldfinger mission DID occure, therefore, one can assume, OHMSS has occurred as well. Just because Bond never mentions Tracy in DAF don't mean it didn't happen.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
    edited September 2021 Posts: 8,029
    Or it could mean that the DB5 in SF was a relic of Q Branch from the 60s, well before Craig Bond’s time.
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    Or it could mean that the DB5 in SF was a relic of Q Branch from the 60s, well before Craig Bond’s time.

    So you prescribe to the "James Bond" is just a code name theory? End of conversation.
  • edited September 2021 Posts: 532
    I think there’s a big gap of possibilities between “Bond has a car from the 60’s that Q Branch kitted out” and “James Bond is just a code name” lol. Not sure why you jumped to the conclusion that that’s what that poster was implying.
  • delfloria wrote: »
    delfloria wrote: »
    WHATTITW is a personal theme associated with Bond's relationship and love of Tracy and ultimately her tragic death. Doesn't sit with me with another Bond character.

    In the Craig timeline, there was no Tracy.

    How do you know? In the Craig era we jump from new Bond to very, very seasoned Bond. The Aston with the machine guns and ejector button could prove that he once fought Goldfinger and could have been married to Tracy. Just because he never mentioned her does not mean she could not be a part of this Bond's timeline. What if during the drive though Matera there is something that reminds him and us of Tracy?

    If something that significant had happened to him between films there would be some sort of reference to it. Also, Madeleine and Tracy are so similar it'd be a little redundant to have both in one timeline. I guess it's just head canon but I've always just believed that Bond had numerous nondescript missions between QoS and Skyfall that had nothing to do with the first 20 films.

    But what Eon has done with the inclusion of the DB-5 from Goldfinger, which is a different one than the one he won in Casino Royal, is solidly indicate that the Goldfinger mission DID occure, therefore, one can assume, OHMSS has occurred as well. Just because Bond never mentions Tracy in DAF don't mean it didn't happen.

    The Goldfinger DB5 was put into the film as fan service, not some indication that the Goldfinger mission occurred. We're supposed to believe that's the same DB5 from Casino Royale but Q has had a few "optional extras" installed.
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    delfloria wrote: »
    delfloria wrote: »
    WHATTITW is a personal theme associated with Bond's relationship and love of Tracy and ultimately her tragic death. Doesn't sit with me with another Bond character.

    In the Craig timeline, there was no Tracy.

    How do you know? In the Craig era we jump from new Bond to very, very seasoned Bond. The Aston with the machine guns and ejector button could prove that he once fought Goldfinger and could have been married to Tracy. Just because he never mentioned her does not mean she could not be a part of this Bond's timeline. What if during the drive though Matera there is something that reminds him and us of Tracy?

    If something that significant had happened to him between films there would be some sort of reference to it. Also, Madeleine and Tracy are so similar it'd be a little redundant to have both in one timeline. I guess it's just head canon but I've always just believed that Bond had numerous nondescript missions between QoS and Skyfall that had nothing to do with the first 20 films.

    But what Eon has done with the inclusion of the DB-5 from Goldfinger, which is a different one than the one he won in Casino Royal, is solidly indicate that the Goldfinger mission DID occure, therefore, one can assume, OHMSS has occurred as well. Just because Bond never mentions Tracy in DAF don't mean it didn't happen.

    Fukunaga says its the same as the CR one.

    Good enough for me.
  • Posts: 1,726
    I think there’s a big gap of possibilities between “Bond has a car from the 60’s that Q Branch kitted out” and “James Bond is just a code name” lol. Not sure why you jumped to the conclusion that that’s what that poster was implying.

    Hi, because Q gives JAMES BOND the DB-5 in Goldfinger.................not a random agent. The reality of the situation is that none of it really makes much sense when connecting all of the films together. There are dozens of ways to interpret how things connect or don't. I was just trying to find a way to justify WHATTITW being included in the new soundtrack.
  • Posts: 1,314
    FourDot wrote: »
    delfloria wrote: »
    delfloria wrote: »
    WHATTITW is a personal theme associated with Bond's relationship and love of Tracy and ultimately her tragic death. Doesn't sit with me with another Bond character.

    In the Craig timeline, there was no Tracy.

    How do you know? In the Craig era we jump from new Bond to very, very seasoned Bond. The Aston with the machine guns and ejector button could prove that he once fought Goldfinger and could have been married to Tracy. Just because he never mentioned her does not mean she could not be a part of this Bond's timeline. What if during the drive though Matera there is something that reminds him and us of Tracy?

    If something that significant had happened to him between films there would be some sort of reference to it. Also, Madeleine and Tracy are so similar it'd be a little redundant to have both in one timeline. I guess it's just head canon but I've always just believed that Bond had numerous nondescript missions between QoS and Skyfall that had nothing to do with the first 20 films.

    But what Eon has done with the inclusion of the DB-5 from Goldfinger, which is a different one than the one he won in Casino Royal, is solidly indicate that the Goldfinger mission DID occure, therefore, one can assume, OHMSS has occurred as well. Just because Bond never mentions Tracy in DAF don't mean it didn't happen.

    Fukunaga says its the same as the CR one.

    Good enough for me.

    Is it not left hand drive in CR
  • edited September 2021 Posts: 1,215
    Matt007 wrote: »
    FourDot wrote: »
    delfloria wrote: »
    delfloria wrote: »
    WHATTITW is a personal theme associated with Bond's relationship and love of Tracy and ultimately her tragic death. Doesn't sit with me with another Bond character.

    In the Craig timeline, there was no Tracy.

    How do you know? In the Craig era we jump from new Bond to very, very seasoned Bond. The Aston with the machine guns and ejector button could prove that he once fought Goldfinger and could have been married to Tracy. Just because he never mentioned her does not mean she could not be a part of this Bond's timeline. What if during the drive though Matera there is something that reminds him and us of Tracy?

    If something that significant had happened to him between films there would be some sort of reference to it. Also, Madeleine and Tracy are so similar it'd be a little redundant to have both in one timeline. I guess it's just head canon but I've always just believed that Bond had numerous nondescript missions between QoS and Skyfall that had nothing to do with the first 20 films.

    But what Eon has done with the inclusion of the DB-5 from Goldfinger, which is a different one than the one he won in Casino Royal, is solidly indicate that the Goldfinger mission DID occure, therefore, one can assume, OHMSS has occurred as well. Just because Bond never mentions Tracy in DAF don't mean it didn't happen.

    Fukunaga says its the same as the CR one.

    Good enough for me.

    Is it not left hand drive in CR

    Mendes basically bunked the continuity to bring back the Goldfinger DB5. I think they’re just asking us to suspend disbelief when it comes to the car.
  • edited September 2021 Posts: 532
    delfloria wrote: »
    I think there’s a big gap of possibilities between “Bond has a car from the 60’s that Q Branch kitted out” and “James Bond is just a code name” lol. Not sure why you jumped to the conclusion that that’s what that poster was implying.

    Hi, because Q gives JAMES BOND the DB-5 in Goldfinger.................not a random agent.

    That’s presupposing that Goldfinger happened in the Craig continuity, though. Obviously you’re free to believe that as the continuity is incredibly loose as you note, but that goes both ways and someone thinking Craig’s Bond obtained that car (like, say…winning it in a poker game ;) ) through other means doesn’t mean they think James Bond is a code name. The Craig era has already established that other 00’s get gadget-y Aston Martin’s anyway, so in this timeline it could have been a random agent from the 60’s that got passed on to Bond.

    With regards to me personally it doesn’t bother me that WHATTITW is used in the score, but I get why other people do. I like the idea of some of Barry’s other themes getting passed down to other films as long as they fit; and the potentially doomed romance between Bond and Madeline is a fitting one in my eyes. Maybe I’ll feel differently about it in context though.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
    edited September 2021 Posts: 8,029
    delfloria wrote: »
    Or it could mean that the DB5 in SF was a relic of Q Branch from the 60s, well before Craig Bond’s time.

    So you prescribe to the "James Bond" is just a code name theory? End of conversation.

    No, that’s not what I was alluding. My point was that the 00 section had existed since WWII and there had been many 00 agents in the 20th century, before Bond became one himself. The DB5 may have been used by a 00 in the past which is why Q Branch had it in storage.
  • LeonardPineLeonardPine The Bar on the Beach
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    I don't know what the context of the Matera track is within the film, but the OHMSS motif seemed well out of place. Quite jarring as other than that it's a nice piece of music.

    Still excited for this score though.
  • delfloria wrote: »
    I think there’s a big gap of possibilities between “Bond has a car from the 60’s that Q Branch kitted out” and “James Bond is just a code name” lol. Not sure why you jumped to the conclusion that that’s what that poster was implying.

    Hi, because Q gives JAMES BOND the DB-5 in Goldfinger.................not a random agent. The reality of the situation is that none of it really makes much sense when connecting all of the films together. There are dozens of ways to interpret how things connect or don't. I was just trying to find a way to justify WHATTITW being included in the new soundtrack.

    WHATTITW isn't a celebration. It wasn't in OHMSS. Bond cradling the love of his life as she dies in the last scene as it plays in the background says it all - it's a bitter sweet theme. It has absolutely no tie in to this movie.
  • edited September 2021 Posts: 6,677
    I think some of you overthink things a bit too much. They're just movies. We are all passionate about them, but, in the end, the music being there is all about that very same passion. And let's not forget that in OHMSS the man said "this never happened to the other fella", so it's all a bit meta, isn't it? Bond is the most meta series in cinema history. And if we're interested to know how the hell that works, let's all read Umberto Eco's essays on it, shall we ;) In the meantime, just learn to enjoy the ride. Yes, Bond's marriage theme from OHMSS shows up in NTTD. If we embrace Bond being both different and the same character throughout time, surely we can embrace this idea.
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    Univex wrote: »
    I think some of you overthink things a bit too much. They're just movies. We are all passionate about them, but, in the end, the music being there is all about that very same passion. And let's not forget that in OHMSS the man said "this never happened to the other fella", so it's all a bit meta, isn't it? Bond is the most meta series in cinema history. And if we're interested to know how the hell that works, let's all read Umberto Eco's essays on it, shall we ;) In the meantime, just learn to enjoy the ride. Yes, Bond's marriage theme from OHMSS shows up in NTTD. If we embrace Bond being both different and the same character throughout time, surely we can embrace this idea.

    I hope everyone realizes this conversation has been done with a bit of tongue in cheek. The bottom line is we all hope to get as much enjoyment out of NTTD as we possibly can, unless you happen to be a member of "CraigIsNotBond.com". Are those people still around?
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
    Posts: 8,029
    Yeah their site is still up. Can’t have imagined Craig would hold the role this long.
  • foo_yukfoo_yuk Canada
    Posts: 26
    Matt007 wrote: »
    FourDot wrote: »
    delfloria wrote: »
    delfloria wrote: »
    WHATTITW is a personal theme associated with Bond's relationship and love of Tracy and ultimately her tragic death. Doesn't sit with me with another Bond character.

    In the Craig timeline, there was no Tracy.

    How do you know? In the Craig era we jump from new Bond to very, very seasoned Bond. The Aston with the machine guns and ejector button could prove that he once fought Goldfinger and could have been married to Tracy. Just because he never mentioned her does not mean she could not be a part of this Bond's timeline. What if during the drive though Matera there is something that reminds him and us of Tracy?

    If something that significant had happened to him between films there would be some sort of reference to it. Also, Madeleine and Tracy are so similar it'd be a little redundant to have both in one timeline. I guess it's just head canon but I've always just believed that Bond had numerous nondescript missions between QoS and Skyfall that had nothing to do with the first 20 films.

    But what Eon has done with the inclusion of the DB-5 from Goldfinger, which is a different one than the one he won in Casino Royal, is solidly indicate that the Goldfinger mission DID occure, therefore, one can assume, OHMSS has occurred as well. Just because Bond never mentions Tracy in DAF don't mean it didn't happen.

    Fukunaga says its the same as the CR one.

    Good enough for me.

    Is it not left hand drive in CR
    Matt007 wrote: »
    FourDot wrote: »
    delfloria wrote: »
    delfloria wrote: »
    WHATTITW is a personal theme associated with Bond's relationship and love of Tracy and ultimately her tragic death. Doesn't sit with me with another Bond character.

    In the Craig timeline, there was no Tracy.

    How do you know? In the Craig era we jump from new Bond to very, very seasoned Bond. The Aston with the machine guns and ejector button could prove that he once fought Goldfinger and could have been married to Tracy. Just because he never mentioned her does not mean she could not be a part of this Bond's timeline. What if during the drive though Matera there is something that reminds him and us of Tracy?

    If something that significant had happened to him between films there would be some sort of reference to it. Also, Madeleine and Tracy are so similar it'd be a little redundant to have both in one timeline. I guess it's just head canon but I've always just believed that Bond had numerous nondescript missions between QoS and Skyfall that had nothing to do with the first 20 films.

    But what Eon has done with the inclusion of the DB-5 from Goldfinger, which is a different one than the one he won in Casino Royal, is solidly indicate that the Goldfinger mission DID occure, therefore, one can assume, OHMSS has occurred as well. Just because Bond never mentions Tracy in DAF don't mean it didn't happen.

    Fukunaga says its the same as the CR one.

    Good enough for me.

    Is it not left hand drive in CR
    Matt007 wrote: »
    FourDot wrote: »
    delfloria wrote: »
    delfloria wrote: »
    WHATTITW is a personal theme associated with Bond's relationship and love of Tracy and ultimately her tragic death. Doesn't sit with me with another Bond character.

    In the Craig timeline, there was no Tracy.

    How do you know? In the Craig era we jump from new Bond to very, very seasoned Bond. The Aston with the machine guns and ejector button could prove that he once fought Goldfinger and could have been married to Tracy. Just because he never mentioned her does not mean she could not be a part of this Bond's timeline. What if during the drive though Matera there is something that reminds him and us of Tracy?

    If something that significant had happened to him between films there would be some sort of reference to it. Also, Madeleine and Tracy are so similar it'd be a little redundant to have both in one timeline. I guess it's just head canon but I've always just believed that Bond had numerous nondescript missions between QoS and Skyfall that had nothing to do with the first 20 films.

    But what Eon has done with the inclusion of the DB-5 from Goldfinger, which is a different one than the one he won in Casino Royal, is solidly indicate that the Goldfinger mission DID occure, therefore, one can assume, OHMSS has occurred as well. Just because Bond never mentions Tracy in DAF don't mean it didn't happen.

    Fukunaga says its the same as the CR one.

    Good enough for me.

    Is it not left hand drive in CR

    Bonds dive mask changes colors several time in the same scene in Thunderball, I never take continuity all that seriously in Bond 😅
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    We now routinely find that Aston Martins sold to overseas customers are being bought and converted to LHD and that contrary to popular belief, a premium is often achieved as a result. Indeed the value added to an Aston converted from RHD to LHD is as much, and often more, than the cost of the conversion.
    However, to achieve these high returns, a conversion has to be completed to a standard that equals or exceeds factory specifications.

    The quality of the conversion has to be flawless giving the precise appearance of an original LHD Aston Martin.

    Over recent years, the demand for these LHD conversions has risen very substantially, particularly for the DB4, 5 and 6 and increasingly now, the V8 models. We manufacture and acquire all items necessary to undertake these conversions, including the hand-made dashboards.

    As can be seen, the quality and original appearance is excellent and anyone contemplating a RHD to LHD conversion can rest assured that the conversion process is straightforward, taking no more than a few weeks to accomplish.

    If a conversion is of interest to you, please contact our workshop manager: 01207 233 525.
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    Yeah, my DB5 too.

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