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    fanbond123 wrote: »
    We are experiencing mass hysteria, over-the-top media reporting. I'm not wishing to downplay the virus, but three thousand deaths from a population of over seven billion is not a pandemic, it's just the natural way of things, people get viruses and some, sadly, die, but it's not a reason for the newspapers to go into 'hysteria' mode, it's not a reason for people to think the world is about to end. And it's not a compelling reason to delay NTTD but hey, money comes first, right! We need China to help Bond in the same way the UK needs China for its 5g network. Those pesky Chinese! :P

    Every single bit of medical and science journalism being done is finding that the number of cases in countries like the US is systematically underreported because there are either not enough tests, tests aren't being done on everybody who qualifies, and/or health officials are falling behind on where the infection is. Literally just last night an infected individual was found in Toronto, having arrived recently from -- wait for it -- Las Vegas, where in the past two weeks there were eight major industry conventions at six different hotels and conference sites. Think about how many people touch poker chips at those casinos, think about how many people walk through restaurant buffets, think about how many people travel through that airport on a daily and weekly basis since Las Vegas is one of the major tourist and business hubs for the entire country and continent. Now think about the fact that US health officials have not even begun to ask INCOMING passengers where they've been in the previous weeks (people have reported flying in from Italy, Korea and China and not being screened at all in the US compared to screenings and quarantines in every other country), and have not begun to try to limit internal travel to contain the spread. Now think about the fact that getting Covid-19 does not prevent you from getting it again, which means that multiple waves of this virus could circle the earth in upcoming months, and also think about the fact that autopsy results out of Wuhan are finding that victims are being left with scarring in their lungs, which suggests that survivors are at higher risk of dying if they were to catch it again later on, which means that the actual mortality rate is still in flux.

    This is not mass hysteria. This is the nightmare scenario that public health officials have been trying to prepare for for years, and it doesn't take a PhD like I have to realize that if they're worried, you should be too.

    Well as of today the US has 335 corona virus victims out of a population of 331 million people. I don't know how any sane person can get too worried over 335 victims in relation to 331 million! Surely a bit of perspective is needed. Sure, if all 335 victims die then it's scary but no-one is saying the corona virus has a 100 percent mortality rate. Indeed, I think it's 1 percent? So basically out of seven billion people on the planet less than 1 percent have the virus and out that less than one percent, only 1 percent are likely to die.

    But if you read Google news, read the newspapers you would think the virus is set to wipe out everyone. Indeed, a virus expert was on UK channel 4 news last night and compared the corona virus to World War 2. Just to remind this so called expert... World War 2 killed 70 - 80 million people and was the worst war in terms of deaths in history. As of today corona virus has killed just over three thousand. This man goes on national UK television and compares this virus with the second world war - which also included the holocaust.

    Absolutely astonishing comment to make.

    I think we should add mental illness to the symptoms of this virus because it seems a lot of people - experts included - are suffering mental illness and wildly exaggerating the impact of this virus. This is just my opinion.

    Hope this isn't too off topic but the film was delayed due to the virus. Don't wish to keep posting stats about the virus.
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    00Agent wrote: »
    Lashana says in her final Paragraph "we have to force the change so people have to get used to it."
    Which is so utterly cringy and stupid.
    No one has a Problem with black leads now, people have a Problem with race swapping historic characters for no other reason than to "force" something.

    Very well said.
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    fanbond123 wrote: »
    fanbond123 wrote: »
    We are experiencing mass hysteria, over-the-top media reporting. I'm not wishing to downplay the virus, but three thousand deaths from a population of over seven billion is not a pandemic, it's just the natural way of things, people get viruses and some, sadly, die, but it's not a reason for the newspapers to go into 'hysteria' mode, it's not a reason for people to think the world is about to end. And it's not a compelling reason to delay NTTD but hey, money comes first, right! We need China to help Bond in the same way the UK needs China for its 5g network. Those pesky Chinese! :P

    Every single bit of medical and science journalism being done is finding that the number of cases in countries like the US is systematically underreported because there are either not enough tests, tests aren't being done on everybody who qualifies, and/or health officials are falling behind on where the infection is. Literally just last night an infected individual was found in Toronto, having arrived recently from -- wait for it -- Las Vegas, where in the past two weeks there were eight major industry conventions at six different hotels and conference sites. Think about how many people touch poker chips at those casinos, think about how many people walk through restaurant buffets, think about how many people travel through that airport on a daily and weekly basis since Las Vegas is one of the major tourist and business hubs for the entire country and continent. Now think about the fact that US health officials have not even begun to ask INCOMING passengers where they've been in the previous weeks (people have reported flying in from Italy, Korea and China and not being screened at all in the US compared to screenings and quarantines in every other country), and have not begun to try to limit internal travel to contain the spread. Now think about the fact that getting Covid-19 does not prevent you from getting it again, which means that multiple waves of this virus could circle the earth in upcoming months, and also think about the fact that autopsy results out of Wuhan are finding that victims are being left with scarring in their lungs, which suggests that survivors are at higher risk of dying if they were to catch it again later on, which means that the actual mortality rate is still in flux.

    This is not mass hysteria. This is the nightmare scenario that public health officials have been trying to prepare for for years, and it doesn't take a PhD like I have to realize that if they're worried, you should be too.

    Well as of today the US has 335 corona virus victims out of a population of 331 million people. I don't know how any sane person can get too worried over 335 victims in relation to 331 million! Surely a bit of perspective is needed. Sure, if all 335 victims die then it's scary but no-one is saying the corona virus has a 100 percent mortality rate. Indeed, I think it's 1 percent? So basically out of seven billion people on the planet less than 1 percent have the virus and out that less than one percent, only 1 percent are likely to die.

    But if you read Google news, read the newspapers you would think the virus is set to wipe out everyone. Indeed, a virus expert was on UK channel 4 news last night and compared the corona virus to World War 2. Just to remind this so called expert... World War 2 killed 70 - 80 million people and was the worst war in terms of deaths in history. As of today corona virus has killed just over three thousand. This man goes on national UK television and compares this virus with the second world war - which also included the holocaust.

    Absolutely astonishing comment to make.

    I think we should add mental illness to the symptoms of this virus because it seems a lot of people - experts included - are suffering mental illness and wildly exaggerating the impact of this virus. This is just my opinion.

    Hope this isn't too off topic but the film was delayed due to the virus. Don't wish to keep posting stats about the virus.

    Hmmmm....isn't the truth that the US don't know how many cases they have due to the lack of equipment to adequately test? The government there has said it won't be full-equipped until Monday.

    The likelihood is that the situation is severe in the US and the small numbers being reported merely reflect the inability to adequately contain the virus and test potential people. It's looking increasingly likely that America has been hit in a very big way...

    This is going to get a lot worse before it gets better......speaking from a movie business perspective, this weekend will be vital. If 'Onward' underperforms (get's less than $40 million) you will see other studios follow NTTD's lead.
  • ResurrectionResurrection Kolkata, India
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    00Heaven wrote: »
    As a woman, the period thing is too much. It's too obvious. Too shoehorned in. We get it. We have periods. We have them roughly every 28 days. Men don't but they sure as hell know about them. It's a natural bodily process. We don't need to draw all this attention to it. It is what it is. It's nothing special and no one gives a flying... you fill in the rest. A Bond movie isn't an education on menstruation and I really can't imagine a female 00 being that invested in it either.

    I really hope that it was just written and didn't make the final cut.

    Frustrating.

    We need more women to have this kind of posts here, well done. Although i won't be bothered either way but it's interesting to think, it's like showing a condom(to send a message to men & women to use safety for education purposes) every time James bond engage in a sexual encounter with a woman in any movie.
  • Red_SnowRed_Snow Australia
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    Had a lengthy conversation with the manager at our local cinema yesterday. She said that she'd just screened three films to an empty cinema, attendence was way down, staff shifts have been cut all week, and currently two staff are running a ten screen cinema.

    We're only in the first week of Autumn, so things are expected to get worse once flu and cold season hits fully.

    The upside for Sydneysiders is that hopefully, IMAX Sydney will stay on schedule to open late 2020.
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    Which pornstar would you guys think would make a great Bond girl? Brooklyn Gray comes to mind. She has that look.
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
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    Which pornstar would you guys think would make a great Bond girl?
    "Yo' mama."
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    After listening to the most recent James Bond & Friends podcast I feel like the group kind of talked around the practical financial points for NTTD’s delay. Granted, none of us know MGM/EON/Uni’s exact reasoning but there are some things that we can extrapolate to reasonable conclusions:

    1. China is not the only film market currently affected by COVID-19, and other markets may be shut down in what would have been NTTD’s release window. So, a $300m loss could have been a $500m+ loss by late April or early May.
    2. No one knows what’s going to happen months from now so decisions have to be made with information that is known. The virus may be worse in November but things are bad right now, and only getting worse.
    3. Even if the “media” are driving people into hysterics over something that’s not serious, the practical fact is that governments and businesses are responding in ways that are affecting the worldwide box office.
    4. All studios can do is hedge their bets that this gets better. November could have been chosen as NTTD’s new release date for a few reasons: it’s far enough out from the current terribleness, it’s a prime Holiday date, all other programming slots were taken or it gives enough time to properly relaunch a marketing campaign. None of those are mutually exclusive. They could all be true.
    5. The film could be pirated but that’s an unavoidable risk. Again, decision’s have to be made on what is known currently or historically. WW84 finished production last Summer and hasn’t leaked. X-MEN Origins: Wolverine leaked in 2009, got a 29% RT score and still opened to $80m+ domestic. I’m sure piracy hurt its overall box office but bad reviews killed its legs.
    6. Can we stop talking as if this is what EON wanted? Eon may not want to release a Bond film every two years but they certainly don’t want delays and hiccups of this magnitude. They didn’t want to split with Boyle over creative difference. They don’t want to be subject to MGM’s financial woes. EON wants to release a Bond movie to great box office and fanfare.
  • ContrabandContraband Sweden
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    For those eagle-eyed individuals who say Cary's schedule, you'd have noticed that he was still meeting with Dan Romer in October 2019 and that Daniel Kleinman shot the title sequence in December 2019.

    Also, this guy loves going on vacation. I spotted breaks in Sweden, Devon, New Orleans amongst others. All in 2018/2019.

    Has anyone done Myers-Briggs? Cary looks as if he's one of those super-organised people who loves to colour-tab different things.

    Did anyone spot anything else?

    @Pierce2Daniel I believe Linus has a house somewhere in Stockholm archipelago. I have friends who saw him with Cary plus a third man my friends claim was Daniel in Stockholm last spring or maybe it was in the summer, hanging out although very inkognito given Daniel's fame.
  • ContrabandContraband Sweden
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    Which pornstar would you guys think would make a great Bond girl? Brooklyn Gray comes to mind. She has that look.

    Drop it, please!!
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    For those eagle-eyed individuals who say Cary's schedule, you'd have noticed that he was still meeting with Dan Romer in October 2019 and that Daniel Kleinman shot the title sequence in December 2019.

    Also, this guy loves going on vacation. I spotted breaks in Sweden, Devon, New Orleans amongst others. All in 2018/2019.

    Has anyone done Myers-Briggs? Cary looks as if he's one of those super-organised people who loves to colour-tab different things.

    Did anyone spot anything else?

    The december Kleinman title-shoot was mentioned in an articke in december.
    And yes, the "Romer is out" rumors startet in late October. Billie Eilish spoke about the production process for her song, and she worked with Zimmer on it from November on. So Romer was replaced very fast with Zimmer in late October/early November, I think.
  • GadgetManGadgetMan Lagos, Nigeria
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    This has to be EON's greatest mission yet....ensuring this film is intact up until release. No leakage of any sort.
  • Hmmmm....isn't the truth that the US don't know how many cases they have due to the lack of equipment to adequately test? The government there has said it won't be full-equipped until Monday.

    The likelihood is that the situation is severe in the US and the small numbers being reported merely reflect the inability to adequately contain the virus and test potential people. It's looking increasingly likely that America has been hit in a very big way...

    This is going to get a lot worse before it gets better......speaking from a movie business perspective, this weekend will be vital. If 'Onward' underperforms (get's less than $40 million) you will see other studios follow NTTD's lead.

    The Atlantic magazine reports that according to all 50 US state health agencies, less than 2000 Coronavirus tests have actually been done yet in the US, both because there are, according to VP Pence, still not enough tests for everybody who needs them, and also because the Administration has been trying to prevent widespread testing in order to keep numbers down. Just last night six US states reported their first cases of Coronavirus precisely because they've only now started doing testing, which means that the virus has been spreading farther and wider over the past few weeks than health agencies have known, which means that it is likely uncontainable at this point. The American Hospital Association has apparently foreseen this, as a leaked slide from a February presentation gave a 'best guess' scenario that assumes potentially half a million deaths in the US alone.
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    Hmmmm....isn't the truth that the US don't know how many cases they have due to the lack of equipment to adequately test? The government there has said it won't be full-equipped until Monday.

    The likelihood is that the situation is severe in the US and the small numbers being reported merely reflect the inability to adequately contain the virus and test potential people. It's looking increasingly likely that America has been hit in a very big way...

    This is going to get a lot worse before it gets better......speaking from a movie business perspective, this weekend will be vital. If 'Onward' underperforms (get's less than $40 million) you will see other studios follow NTTD's lead.

    The Atlantic magazine reports that according to all 50 US state health agencies, less than 2000 Coronavirus tests have actually been done yet in the US, both because there are, according to VP Pence, still not enough tests for everybody who needs them, and also because the Administration has been trying to prevent widespread testing in order to keep numbers down. Just last night six US states reported their first cases of Coronavirus precisely because they've only now started doing testing, which means that the virus has been spreading farther and wider over the past few weeks than health agencies have known, which means that it is likely uncontainable at this point. The American Hospital Association has apparently foreseen this, as a leaked slide from a February presentation gave a 'best guess' scenario that assumes potentially half a million deaths in the US alone.

    Christ

    Now I'm depressed
  • TripAcesTripAces Universal Exports
    edited March 2020 Posts: 4,508
    Hmmmm....isn't the truth that the US don't know how many cases they have due to the lack of equipment to adequately test? The government there has said it won't be full-equipped until Monday.

    The likelihood is that the situation is severe in the US and the small numbers being reported merely reflect the inability to adequately contain the virus and test potential people. It's looking increasingly likely that America has been hit in a very big way...

    This is going to get a lot worse before it gets better......speaking from a movie business perspective, this weekend will be vital. If 'Onward' underperforms (get's less than $40 million) you will see other studios follow NTTD's lead.

    The Atlantic magazine reports that according to all 50 US state health agencies, less than 2000 Coronavirus tests have actually been done yet in the US, both because there are, according to VP Pence, still not enough tests for everybody who needs them, and also because the Administration has been trying to prevent widespread testing in order to keep numbers down. Just last night six US states reported their first cases of Coronavirus precisely because they've only now started doing testing, which means that the virus has been spreading farther and wider over the past few weeks than health agencies have known, which means that it is likely uncontainable at this point. The American Hospital Association has apparently foreseen this, as a leaked slide from a February presentation gave a 'best guess' scenario that assumes potentially half a million deaths in the US alone.

    Christ

    Now I'm depressed

    That number is approximately 1.5% of the population. Make of that what you want.
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    I wouldn't be surprised if Eon started talks under the table with Zimmer at the same time Romer was recommended.
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    With thousands of printed copies of the NTTD score tucked away, I wonder how long it will take for one of them to "wander off"?
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    delfloria wrote: »
    With thousands of printed copies of the NTTD score tucked away, I wonder how long it will take for one of them to "wander off"?

    Assuming there are thousands of copies done before the delay in the first place...
  • 007Blofeld007Blofeld In the freedom of the West.
    edited March 2020 Posts: 3,126
    antovolk wrote: »
    delfloria wrote: »
    With thousands of printed copies of the NTTD score tucked away, I wonder how long it will take for one of them to "wander off"?

    Assuming there are thousands of copies done before the delay in the first place...

    Not to mention the individual tracks have titles which can be spoilery.
  • GadgetManGadgetMan Lagos, Nigeria
    Posts: 4,247
    007Blofeld wrote: »
    antovolk wrote: »
    delfloria wrote: »
    With thousands of printed copies of the NTTD score tucked away, I wonder how long it will take for one of them to "wander off"?

    Assuming there are thousands of copies done before the delay in the first place...

    Not to mention the individual tracks have titles which can be spoilery.

    Yeah, more reason the score's release date of March 27 is highly unlikely.
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
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    Maybe they need the money.
  • GatecrasherGatecrasher Classified
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    Maybe they need the money.

    EON’s like “do we look like we need the money?” Of course, having more of it helps I guess, but it comes at the expense of fans demanding the supply now.
  • matt_umatt_u better known as Mr. Roark
    edited March 2020 Posts: 4,292
    Hmmmm....isn't the truth that the US don't know how many cases they have due to the lack of equipment to adequately test? The government there has said it won't be full-equipped until Monday.

    The likelihood is that the situation is severe in the US and the small numbers being reported merely reflect the inability to adequately contain the virus and test potential people. It's looking increasingly likely that America has been hit in a very big way...

    This is going to get a lot worse before it gets better......speaking from a movie business perspective, this weekend will be vital. If 'Onward' underperforms (get's less than $40 million) you will see other studios follow NTTD's lead.

    The Atlantic magazine reports that according to all 50 US state health agencies, less than 2000 Coronavirus tests have actually been done yet in the US, both because there are, according to VP Pence, still not enough tests for everybody who needs them, and also because the Administration has been trying to prevent widespread testing in order to keep numbers down. Just last night six US states reported their first cases of Coronavirus precisely because they've only now started doing testing, which means that the virus has been spreading farther and wider over the past few weeks than health agencies have known, which means that it is likely uncontainable at this point. The American Hospital Association has apparently foreseen this, as a leaked slide from a February presentation gave a 'best guess' scenario that assumes potentially half a million deaths in the US alone.

    Christ

    Now I'm depressed

    It was obvious from the beginning. As I said a week ago it was never about "if", but "when".

    In 2 weeks Italy took 32.000+ tests and this is the only reason why the country has the highest number of infected people in the Western world. 1st European hotbed was from Germany btw.
  • GatecrasherGatecrasher Classified
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    I’m in the Bay Area and the SF Chronicle reported that Salesforce has urged thousands of employees to work from home. San Francisco will virtually be a ghost town...

    I have no doubt in my mind that things in the U.S. are going to go south with this epidemic exponentially and very quickly.
  • matt_umatt_u better known as Mr. Roark
    Posts: 4,292
    I’m in the Bay Area and the SF Chronicle reported that Salesforce has urged thousands of employees to work from home. San Francisco will virtually be a ghost town...

    I have no doubt in my mind that things in the U.S. are going to go south with this epidemic exponentially and very quickly.

    Yeah I live in Milano and is super fresh news that for at least one month Lombardy will be a restricted area basically like Wuhan. Of course theaters will be closed at least for another month.
  • GatecrasherGatecrasher Classified
    Posts: 265
    matt_u wrote: »
    I’m in the Bay Area and the SF Chronicle reported that Salesforce has urged thousands of employees to work from home. San Francisco will virtually be a ghost town...

    I have no doubt in my mind that things in the U.S. are going to go south with this epidemic exponentially and very quickly.

    Yeah I live in Milano and is super fresh news that for at least one month Lombardy will be a restricted area basically like Wuhan. Of course theaters will be closed at least for another month.

    Wow...
  • 007Blofeld007Blofeld In the freedom of the West.
    edited March 2020 Posts: 3,126
    00Agent wrote: »
    00Heaven wrote: »
    As a woman, the period thing is too much. It's too obvious. Too shoehorned in. We get it. We have periods. We have them roughly every 28 days. Men don't but they sure as hell know about them. It's a natural bodily process. We don't need to draw all this attention to it. It is what it is. It's nothing special and no one gives a flying... you fill in the rest. A Bond movie isn't an education on menstruation and I really can't imagine a female 00 being that invested in it either.

    I really hope that it was just written and didn't make the final cut.

    Frustrating.

    But don't you feel... "Represented?" :)

    Guess this whole agenda thing doesn't work then does it?
    Of course i agree with you @00Heaven

    But as Lashana says in her final Paragraph "we have to force the change so people have to get used to it."
    Which is so utterly cringy and stupid.
    No one has a Problem with black leads now, people have a Problem with race swapping historic characters for no other reason than to "force" something.

    This film will fail if this is what they are pushing regardless of circumstances. The whole thing feels insulting especially the racist white people part leaves me turned off. The whole thing is forced for woke points make her 009 from Spectre and be done with it nope not good enough we need to make a statement and we don't care if we lose money is all I hear what an insult to fans. There is progression and then there is insults this is pure agenda insults.
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