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  • 007Blofeld007Blofeld In the freedom of the West.
    edited February 2020 Posts: 3,126
    antovolk wrote: »
    007Blofeld wrote: »
    antovolk wrote: »
    TripAces wrote: »
    Denbigh wrote: »
    But surely it would just make more sense for her to keep it. I don't think this film will be James Bond going back on the payroll. I think he'll be retired throughout this film, maybe brought on as just a field agent when he gets back in touch with MI6. If this film is to end with Bond and Madeleine together again, is he really gonna be 007 again as well?

    Why can't in this "Craig-era universe", the next 007 be Nomi, and then they'll reboot it again with a new James Bond, who will be 007. I think that's way simpler than just having the number flip flop between people, and not to mention the whole "James, you can be 007 again, I'll be 006 or 008. Cool. Thanks bro." (paraphrasing obviously) I dunno about that, would feel like a really pointless addition to the film. Especially if our theory about him seeing her as his former self in CR, why would you end that with? "Ok, I've taught you everthing I know, and you've also helped me, now step aside love..." (Again paraphrasing haha)

    Again, here is the problem with that line of thinking: the "007" code numer is 100% associated with James Bond. Even if it makes sense for this film to play with that a little, EON can't allow it to go on for all or most of the film. It's messing with their brand. There has been no attempt to pull back from publicatioons continuously saying that this is "Daniel Craig's final adventure as 007." These headlines and subtitles have been going for weeks, now. Plus, there is the thornier issue of the lobby display, in which DC is front and center, and the '007" logo is behind him.

    You don't go making a "007" film and then not have "007" be "007." It would be idiotic.

    Says who?

    The whole gambit of Nomi as 007 plays on the idea of the public - and Bond himself - considering himself 007. So the whole dynamic and the rivalry/eventual collaboration between Bond and Nomi is built upon Bond still thinking 007 belongs to him even if he's retired.

    EON don't give two craps about how the press is referring to NTTD as this or that. They don't find a problem with it at all. Because the whole idea is that while *we* know Bond as the one true 007, that codename isn't wed to him in reality. And, the reason there's been no attempt, why 007 is still on the marketing (that doesn't have to reflect the film!) is the fact they for now want to keep it under wraps on an official level...

    And, lastly, they don't need to give it back to Craig's Bond in this film because the next will be a reboot anyway.

    So this Bond movie is supposed to be decisive to buy tickets and piss off at least half of fans? People might not want to come back if they were so pissed by the last one.

    I mean...yes, in a way? Barbara and Fukunaga are playing with these ideas, who do we view as 007 in the public eye, do James Bond and 007 have to be so closely linked...and in the end, what's the best way to make what's seen as one of the most 'regressive' film franchises today more diverse.

    And while half the older fans may be pissed off, is more than made up by new, younger (and, given who's playing Nomi, black) fans who'll be - and Lashana has brought this up, basically confirming she is 007 in this film - overjoyed and inspired by someone like her in Bond's shoes.

    I think you will be surprised that this so called younger group won't like it either I've talked to alot of people my age and they think it's a joke so good luck to them I guess. Yeah regressive that's coming via the press which EON are now buying into which is false and they have always been fine when it comes to being relevant I'm disappointed she isn't 009 I think that would have been great we would now find out who that was. So now we are admitting the 007 logo doesn't mean a thing and doesn't matter and Bond is now a passe joke.
  • matt_umatt_u better known as Mr. Roark
    Posts: 4,343
    We know Craig's Bond was born in 1973, thanks to the Order of Guardianship featured in SP. If NTTD is set in 2019/2020, Bond would've been too old for being a double 0 if we look at this topic from the perspective of what Fleming wrote... he made it clear: a double 0 can't be 45+ years old. I know it means basically nothing, but anyway, just a random explanation to free somebody's pain. :D
  • 007Blofeld007Blofeld In the freedom of the West.
    Posts: 3,126
    Yeah where is the real James Bond thread not the Marvel thread.
  • 007Blofeld007Blofeld In the freedom of the West.
    edited February 2020 Posts: 3,126
    Birdleson wrote: »
    Always helping to quell the situation.

    ;) thanks
  • 007Blofeld007Blofeld In the freedom of the West.
    edited February 2020 Posts: 3,126
    matt_u wrote: »
    We know Craig's Bond was born in 1973, thanks to the Order of Guardianship featured in SP. If NTTD is set in 2019/2020, Bond would've been too old for being a double 0 if we look at this topic from the perspective of what Fleming wrote... he made it clear: a double 0 can't be 45+ years old. I know it means basically nothing, but anyway, just a random explanation to free somebody's pain. :D

    Roger Moore's Bond was a 00 agent and was definitely over 45. So was Connery and so on. @matt_u
  • matt_umatt_u better known as Mr. Roark
    Posts: 4,343
    007Blofeld wrote: »
    matt_u wrote: »
    We know Craig's Bond was born in 1973, thanks to the Order of Guardianship featured in SP. If NTTD is set in 2019/2020, Bond would've been too old for being a double 0 if we look at this topic from the perspective of what Fleming wrote... he made it clear: a double 0 can't be 45+ years old. I know it means basically nothing, but anyway, just a random explanation to free somebody's pain. :D

    Roger Moore's Bond was a 00 agent and was definitely over 45. So was Connery and so on. @matt_u

    Yeah I know man but perhaps this self contained Craig era is more in line with what Fleming wrote from this standpoint.
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    Birdleson wrote: »
    Better we all just let it go until the film arrives.

    Yes, please. That and the "you/him" debacle.
  • 007Blofeld007Blofeld In the freedom of the West.
    Posts: 3,126
    Birdleson wrote: »
    matt_u wrote: »
    We know Craig's Bond was born in 1973, thanks to the Order of Guardianship featured in SP. If NTTD is set in 2019/2020, Bond would've been too old for being a double 0 if we look at this topic from the perspective of what Fleming wrote... he made it clear: a double 0 can't be 45+ years old. I know it means basically nothing, but anyway, just a random explanation to free somebody's pain. :D

    I think this gets to the key of why this discussion (problems with a new 007) just goes in circles. @matt_u , understandably, is positing an explanation that the has hopes will somehow serve as an avenue to quell any anger or resentment over Bond losing his 00, to Nomi or whoever (I understand that it was sort of tongue in cheek, but it still drives home a point). But, that doesn't address where the ill feelings come from. It's not like those who are uncomfortable with Bond losing his double-0 are searching for a continuity-solid excuse for how or why it could happen, and then they'll be fine with it. It is a feeling that EON is not treating the character and his legacy with due respect, for the sake of shock or an agenda. You may disagree with this, but that's how several, possibly many, on here feel. Trying to tell someone that they don't or shouldn't feel like they do is usually pointless, regardless of rationale. So two sides arguing not quite the same point, with no clear conception of what the other side's motivations and desires are. Better we all just let it go until the film arrives.

    +1
  • edited February 2020 Posts: 309
    In the era of (soft & hard) reboots, remakes, sequels, prequels, spin-offs, relaunches and reimaginings audiences have become more sophisticated in how they interpret and digest movies and television. That’s how Joker can coexist with Batman v Superman and The Batman (2021) can be it’s own thing without having to reference Birds of Prey. Not all of the entertainment released in the last 10 to 15 years has hit with audiences but there’s been as many successes as there have been failures.

    This is relatively new to the Bond cannon. There are tonal shifts in the films when new actors play Bond, and different continuation authors put Bond in new adventures, but the Craig era has been quite experimental comparatively. Given Bond’s longevity, why can’t the producers play around with the formula? I love the Bond films made between ‘62 and ‘02 but Craig has given the series a license to experiment and play around with audience’s expectations.

    I think Spectre suffered not from a bad premise but not selling that premise in its narrative structure. Bond and Blofeld have a personal history. Okay. Let’s have a dual lead movie or a movie told from Blofeld’s perspective. Make Blofeld the protagonist (not the hero) in a movie and Bond his antagonist (not the villain). Fleming similarly toyed with perspective in FRWL and TSWLM. There are rumors that Marvel wants to reintroduce the FF4 through a movie starring Doctor Doom.

    I think there’s a way forward that can buck expectations and try new things without being the antithesis of what Bond is.
  • 007Blofeld007Blofeld In the freedom of the West.
    edited February 2020 Posts: 3,126
    matt_u wrote: »
    007Blofeld wrote: »
    matt_u wrote: »
    We know Craig's Bond was born in 1973, thanks to the Order of Guardianship featured in SP. If NTTD is set in 2019/2020, Bond would've been too old for being a double 0 if we look at this topic from the perspective of what Fleming wrote... he made it clear: a double 0 can't be 45+ years old. I know it means basically nothing, but anyway, just a random explanation to free somebody's pain. :D

    Roger Moore's Bond was a 00 agent and was definitely over 45. So was Connery and so on. @matt_u

    Yeah I know man but perhaps this self contained Craig era is more in line with what Fleming wrote from this standpoint.

    @matt_u then Craig's Bond isn't in the official series and these are unofficial productions like never say never again and that horrible casino Royale spoof.
  • matt_umatt_u better known as Mr. Roark
    edited February 2020 Posts: 4,343
    Birdleson wrote: »
    matt_u wrote: »
    We know Craig's Bond was born in 1973, thanks to the Order of Guardianship featured in SP. If NTTD is set in 2019/2020, Bond would've been too old for being a double 0 if we look at this topic from the perspective of what Fleming wrote... he made it clear: a double 0 can't be 45+ years old. I know it means basically nothing, but anyway, just a random explanation to free somebody's pain. :D

    I think this gets to the key of why this discussion (problems with a new 007) just goes in circles. @matt_u , understandably, is positing an explanation that the has hopes will somehow serve as an avenue to quell any anger or resentment over Bond losing his 00, to Nomi or whoever (I understand that it was sort of tongue in cheek, but it still drives home a point). But, that doesn't address where the ill feelings come from. It's not like those who are uncomfortable with Bond losing his double-0 are searching for a continuity-solid excuse for how or why it could happen, and then they'll be fine with it. It is a feeling that EON is not treating the character and his legacy with due respect, for the sake of shock or an agenda. You may disagree with this, but that's how several, possibly many, on here feel. Trying to tell someone that they don't or shouldn't feel like they do is usually pointless, regardless of rationale. So two sides arguing not quite the same point, with no clear conception of what the other side's motivations and desires are. Better we all just let it go until the film arrives.

    Look I am the first Bond fan inhere quite worried about all this concept and the reason is very simple: without having seen the film, I just can't see Nomi as a genuine character. Her being a Bond's replacement at MI6, a new 007, is an idea that just feels like throwing a bone to all the narrative that surrounds Bond being black, a woman or whatever. Forced. Unnatural. Heresy, perhaps. But, looking at all this development from a different angle, this historical turn of events that literally "changes everything" is in line with what Bond movies always did in the past: following trends. We wouldn't had MR without Star Wars, just like CR would've never happened without Jason Bourne, etc etc. Plus, the dramatic/comedic potential of this kind of change of paradigm is undeniable, on paper. So like you say, better wait for April.
    007Blofeld wrote: »
    matt_u wrote: »
    007Blofeld wrote: »
    matt_u wrote: »
    We know Craig's Bond was born in 1973, thanks to the Order of Guardianship featured in SP. If NTTD is set in 2019/2020, Bond would've been too old for being a double 0 if we look at this topic from the perspective of what Fleming wrote... he made it clear: a double 0 can't be 45+ years old. I know it means basically nothing, but anyway, just a random explanation to free somebody's pain. :D

    Roger Moore's Bond was a 00 agent and was definitely over 45. So was Connery and so on. @matt_u

    Yeah I know man but perhaps this self contained Craig era is more in line with what Fleming wrote from this standpoint.

    @matt_u then Craig's Bond isn't in the official series and these are unofficial productions like never say never again and that horrible casino Royale spoof.

    Why? Craig era is clearly a self contained era from a narrative standpoint but this doesn't mean is "unofficial".
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    007Blofeld wrote: »
    matt_u wrote: »
    007Blofeld wrote: »
    matt_u wrote: »
    We know Craig's Bond was born in 1973, thanks to the Order of Guardianship featured in SP. If NTTD is set in 2019/2020, Bond would've been too old for being a double 0 if we look at this topic from the perspective of what Fleming wrote... he made it clear: a double 0 can't be 45+ years old. I know it means basically nothing, but anyway, just a random explanation to free somebody's pain. :D

    Roger Moore's Bond was a 00 agent and was definitely over 45. So was Connery and so on. @matt_u

    Yeah I know man but perhaps this self contained Craig era is more in line with what Fleming wrote from this standpoint.

    @matt_u then Craig's Bond isn't in the official series and these are unofficial productions like never say never again and that horrible casino Royale spoof.

    That’s a stretch. NSNA and CR ‘67 weren’t made by the people that owned and innovated that majority of Bond. That’s why they weren’t official. By your logic, Bond films made after Harry Saltzman left the series were unofficial productions.

    I think people are making this much more complicated than it is by talking past the point. The Craig films are a reboot of the Bond films with a self contained arc. That’s it.

  • matt_umatt_u better known as Mr. Roark
    Posts: 4,343
    Burgess wrote: »
    I think people are making this much more complicated than it is by talking past the point. The Craig films are a reboot of the Bond films with a self contained arc. That’s it.

    Yep.
  • edited February 2020 Posts: 309
    matt_u wrote: »
    Birdleson wrote: »
    matt_u wrote: »
    We know Craig's Bond was born in 1973, thanks to the Order of Guardianship featured in SP. If NTTD is set in 2019/2020, Bond would've been too old for being a double 0 if we look at this topic from the perspective of what Fleming wrote... he made it clear: a double 0 can't be 45+ years old. I know it means basically nothing, but anyway, just a random explanation to free somebody's pain. :D

    I think this gets to the key of why this discussion (problems with a new 007) just goes in circles. @matt_u , understandably, is positing an explanation that the has hopes will somehow serve as an avenue to quell any anger or resentment over Bond losing his 00, to Nomi or whoever (I understand that it was sort of tongue in cheek, but it still drives home a point). But, that doesn't address where the ill feelings come from. It's not like those who are uncomfortable with Bond losing his double-0 are searching for a continuity-solid excuse for how or why it could happen, and then they'll be fine with it. It is a feeling that EON is not treating the character and his legacy with due respect, for the sake of shock or an agenda. You may disagree with this, but that's how several, possibly many, on here feel. Trying to tell someone that they don't or shouldn't feel like they do is usually pointless, regardless of rationale. So two sides arguing not quite the same point, with no clear conception of what the other side's motivations and desires are. Better we all just let it go until the film arrives.

    Look I am the first Bond fan inhere quite worried about all this concept and the reason is very simple: without having seen the film, I just can't see Nomi as a genuine character. Her being a Bond's replacement at MI6, a new 007, is an idea that just feels like throwing a bone to all the narrative that surrounds Bond being black, a woman or whatever. Forced. Unnatural. Heresy, perhaps. But, looking at all this development from a different angle, this historical turn of events that literally "changes everything" is in line with what Bond movies always did in the past: following trends. We wouldn't had MR without Star Wars, just like CR would've never happened without Jason Bourne, etc etc. Plus, the dramatic/comedic potential of this kind of change of paradigm is undeniable, on paper. So like you say, better wait for April.
    007Blofeld wrote: »
    matt_u wrote: »
    007Blofeld wrote: »
    matt_u wrote: »
    We know Craig's Bond was born in 1973, thanks to the Order of Guardianship featured in SP. If NTTD is set in 2019/2020, Bond would've been too old for being a double 0 if we look at this topic from the perspective of what Fleming wrote... he made it clear: a double 0 can't be 45+ years old. I know it means basically nothing, but anyway, just a random explanation to free somebody's pain. :D

    Roger Moore's Bond was a 00 agent and was definitely over 45. So was Connery and so on. @matt_u

    Yeah I know man but perhaps this self contained Craig era is more in line with what Fleming wrote from this standpoint.

    @matt_u then Craig's Bond isn't in the official series and these are unofficial productions like never say never again and that horrible casino Royale spoof.

    Why? Craig era is clearly a self contained era from a narrative standpoint but this doesn't mean is "unofficial".

    Sure, Bond movies chase trends. That’s how this sort of thing survives. Batman does it. Marvel does it. But Bond is also a trend setter too. The Bond formula and imagery are used and referenced just as much as Bond uses and references other pop culture—setting trends and following them.

  • matt_umatt_u better known as Mr. Roark
    Posts: 4,343
    Birdleson wrote: »
    matt_u wrote: »
    Burgess wrote: »
    I think people are making this much more complicated than it is by talking past the point. The Craig films are a reboot of the Bond films with a self contained arc. That’s it.

    Yep.

    Everyone understands that, just not everyone likes it.

    Totally fair and understandable.
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    Birdleson wrote: »
    matt_u wrote: »
    Burgess wrote: »
    I think people are making this much more complicated than it is by talking past the point. The Craig films are a reboot of the Bond films with a self contained arc. That’s it.

    Yep.

    Everyone understands that, just not everyone likes it.

    That’s the nature of the beast. Creatives do creative things that work and don’t work. There are right and wrong reason to like or not like something. Especially, if you don’t engage with something on its own terms. You could hate the Craig for what it chooses not to do or judge it on what it does do.
  • 007Blofeld007Blofeld In the freedom of the West.
    edited February 2020 Posts: 3,126
    Burgess wrote: »
    007Blofeld wrote: »
    matt_u wrote: »
    007Blofeld wrote: »
    matt_u wrote: »
    We know Craig's Bond was born in 1973, thanks to the Order of Guardianship featured in SP. If NTTD is set in 2019/2020, Bond would've been too old for being a double 0 if we look at this topic from the perspective of what Fleming wrote... he made it clear: a double 0 can't be 45+ years old. I know it means basically nothing, but anyway, just a random explanation to free somebody's pain. :D

    Roger Moore's Bond was a 00 agent and was definitely over 45. So was Connery and so on. @matt_u

    Yeah I know man but perhaps this self contained Craig era is more in line with what Fleming wrote from this standpoint.

    @matt_u then Craig's Bond isn't in the official series and these are unofficial productions like never say never again and that horrible casino Royale spoof.

    That’s a stretch. NSNA and CR ‘67 weren’t made by the people that owned and innovated that majority of Bond. That’s why they weren’t official. By your logic, Bond films made after Harry Saltzman left the series were unofficial productions.

    I think people are making this much more complicated than it is by talking past the point. The Craig films are a reboot of the Bond films with a self contained arc. That’s it.

    EON which is owned by Cubby owns the series which is kept by the Broccolis so it does make sense all 24 are official any that have the trade mark are apart of the series I just was making a point that the Craig era is apart of the series. @matt_u @Burgess
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    007Blofeld wrote: »
    Burgess wrote: »
    007Blofeld wrote: »
    matt_u wrote: »
    007Blofeld wrote: »
    matt_u wrote: »
    We know Craig's Bond was born in 1973, thanks to the Order of Guardianship featured in SP. If NTTD is set in 2019/2020, Bond would've been too old for being a double 0 if we look at this topic from the perspective of what Fleming wrote... he made it clear: a double 0 can't be 45+ years old. I know it means basically nothing, but anyway, just a random explanation to free somebody's pain. :D

    Roger Moore's Bond was a 00 agent and was definitely over 45. So was Connery and so on. @matt_u

    Yeah I know man but perhaps this self contained Craig era is more in line with what Fleming wrote from this standpoint.

    @matt_u then Craig's Bond isn't in the official series and these are unofficial productions like never say never again and that horrible casino Royale spoof.

    That’s a stretch. NSNA and CR ‘67 weren’t made by the people that owned and innovated that majority of Bond. That’s why they weren’t official. By your logic, Bond films made after Harry Saltzman left the series were unofficial productions.

    I think people are making this much more complicated than it is by talking past the point. The Craig films are a reboot of the Bond films with a self contained arc. That’s it.

    EON which is owned by Cubby owns the series which is kept by the Broccolis so it does make sense all 24 are official any that have the trade mark are apart of the series I just was making a point. @matt_u @Burgess

    Exactly. So the assertion that Craig existing in his own “pocket” universe means that his films are as unofficial as NSNA is silly.
  • 007Blofeld007Blofeld In the freedom of the West.
    edited February 2020 Posts: 3,126
    Burgess wrote: »
    007Blofeld wrote: »
    Burgess wrote: »
    007Blofeld wrote: »
    matt_u wrote: »
    007Blofeld wrote: »
    matt_u wrote: »
    We know Craig's Bond was born in 1973, thanks to the Order of Guardianship featured in SP. If NTTD is set in 2019/2020, Bond would've been too old for being a double 0 if we look at this topic from the perspective of what Fleming wrote... he made it clear: a double 0 can't be 45+ years old. I know it means basically nothing, but anyway, just a random explanation to free somebody's pain. :D

    Roger Moore's Bond was a 00 agent and was definitely over 45. So was Connery and so on. @matt_u

    Yeah I know man but perhaps this self contained Craig era is more in line with what Fleming wrote from this standpoint.

    @matt_u then Craig's Bond isn't in the official series and these are unofficial productions like never say never again and that horrible casino Royale spoof.

    That’s a stretch. NSNA and CR ‘67 weren’t made by the people that owned and innovated that majority of Bond. That’s why they weren’t official. By your logic, Bond films made after Harry Saltzman left the series were unofficial productions.

    I think people are making this much more complicated than it is by talking past the point. The Craig films are a reboot of the Bond films with a self contained arc. That’s it.

    EON which is owned by Cubby owns the series which is kept by the Broccolis so it does make sense all 24 are official any that have the trade mark are apart of the series I just was making a point. @matt_u @Burgess

    Exactly. So the assertion that Craig existing in his own “pocket” universe means that his films are as unofficial as NSNA is silly.

    @Burgess I don't think that I'm saying then @matt_u thinks that because that's what it be like. So Roger Moore isn't an official Bond it's all silly talk everything from 62 to now is official everything from now to then applies including Fleming rights. Except the Spectre rights of course.
  • matt_umatt_u better known as Mr. Roark
    edited February 2020 Posts: 4,343
    007Blofeld wrote: »
    Burgess wrote: »
    007Blofeld wrote: »
    Burgess wrote: »
    007Blofeld wrote: »
    matt_u wrote: »
    007Blofeld wrote: »
    matt_u wrote: »
    We know Craig's Bond was born in 1973, thanks to the Order of Guardianship featured in SP. If NTTD is set in 2019/2020, Bond would've been too old for being a double 0 if we look at this topic from the perspective of what Fleming wrote... he made it clear: a double 0 can't be 45+ years old. I know it means basically nothing, but anyway, just a random explanation to free somebody's pain. :D

    Roger Moore's Bond was a 00 agent and was definitely over 45. So was Connery and so on. @matt_u

    Yeah I know man but perhaps this self contained Craig era is more in line with what Fleming wrote from this standpoint.

    @matt_u then Craig's Bond isn't in the official series and these are unofficial productions like never say never again and that horrible casino Royale spoof.

    That’s a stretch. NSNA and CR ‘67 weren’t made by the people that owned and innovated that majority of Bond. That’s why they weren’t official. By your logic, Bond films made after Harry Saltzman left the series were unofficial productions.

    I think people are making this much more complicated than it is by talking past the point. The Craig films are a reboot of the Bond films with a self contained arc. That’s it.

    EON which is owned by Cubby owns the series which is kept by the Broccolis so it does make sense all 24 are official any that have the trade mark are apart of the series I just was making a point. @matt_u @Burgess

    Exactly. So the assertion that Craig existing in his own “pocket” universe means that his films are as unofficial as NSNA is silly.
    everything from 62 to now is official

    Well, obviously, yes. Craig era being the first truly self contained overall arc within the series from both a narrative and dramatic standpoint doesn't make it apocryphal.
  • edited February 2020 Posts: 309
    Birdleson wrote: »
    Burgess wrote: »
    There are right and wrong reason to like or not like something.

    That I completely disagree with.

    The context for my statement is explained a little further into the post which is that not liking something for something it was never trying to do or liking something for a reason that may the antithesis of what it is are right and wrong reasons.

    Sort of like the lead character in A Clockwork Orange liking the Bible because it features sex and violence. He’s taken that as the book’s primary point or most exciting feature.
  • 007Blofeld007Blofeld In the freedom of the West.
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    matt_u wrote: »
    007Blofeld wrote: »
    Burgess wrote: »
    007Blofeld wrote: »
    Burgess wrote: »
    007Blofeld wrote: »
    matt_u wrote: »
    007Blofeld wrote: »
    matt_u wrote: »
    We know Craig's Bond was born in 1973, thanks to the Order of Guardianship featured in SP. If NTTD is set in 2019/2020, Bond would've been too old for being a double 0 if we look at this topic from the perspective of what Fleming wrote... he made it clear: a double 0 can't be 45+ years old. I know it means basically nothing, but anyway, just a random explanation to free somebody's pain. :D

    Roger Moore's Bond was a 00 agent and was definitely over 45. So was Connery and so on. @matt_u

    Yeah I know man but perhaps this self contained Craig era is more in line with what Fleming wrote from this standpoint.

    @matt_u then Craig's Bond isn't in the official series and these are unofficial productions like never say never again and that horrible casino Royale spoof.

    That’s a stretch. NSNA and CR ‘67 weren’t made by the people that owned and innovated that majority of Bond. That’s why they weren’t official. By your logic, Bond films made after Harry Saltzman left the series were unofficial productions.

    I think people are making this much more complicated than it is by talking past the point. The Craig films are a reboot of the Bond films with a self contained arc. That’s it.

    EON which is owned by Cubby owns the series which is kept by the Broccolis so it does make sense all 24 are official any that have the trade mark are apart of the series I just was making a point. @matt_u @Burgess

    Exactly. So the assertion that Craig existing in his own “pocket” universe means that his films are as unofficial as NSNA is silly.
    everything from 62 to now is official

    Well, obviously, yes.

    Just making sure ;)
  • 007Blofeld007Blofeld In the freedom of the West.
    edited February 2020 Posts: 3,126
    matt_u wrote: »
    007Blofeld wrote: »
    Burgess wrote: »
    007Blofeld wrote: »
    Burgess wrote: »
    007Blofeld wrote: »
    matt_u wrote: »
    007Blofeld wrote: »
    matt_u wrote: »
    We know Craig's Bond was born in 1973, thanks to the Order of Guardianship featured in SP. If NTTD is set in 2019/2020, Bond would've been too old for being a double 0 if we look at this topic from the perspective of what Fleming wrote... he made it clear: a double 0 can't be 45+ years old. I know it means basically nothing, but anyway, just a random explanation to free somebody's pain. :D

    Roger Moore's Bond was a 00 agent and was definitely over 45. So was Connery and so on. @matt_u

    Yeah I know man but perhaps this self contained Craig era is more in line with what Fleming wrote from this standpoint.

    @matt_u then Craig's Bond isn't in the official series and these are unofficial productions like never say never again and that horrible casino Royale spoof.

    That’s a stretch. NSNA and CR ‘67 weren’t made by the people that owned and innovated that majority of Bond. That’s why they weren’t official. By your logic, Bond films made after Harry Saltzman left the series were unofficial productions.

    I think people are making this much more complicated than it is by talking past the point. The Craig films are a reboot of the Bond films with a self contained arc. That’s it.

    EON which is owned by Cubby owns the series which is kept by the Broccolis so it does make sense all 24 are official any that have the trade mark are apart of the series I just was making a point. @matt_u @Burgess

    Exactly. So the assertion that Craig existing in his own “pocket” universe means that his films are as unofficial as NSNA is silly.
    everything from 62 to now is official

    Well, obviously, yes. Craig era being the first truly self contained overall arc within the series from both a narrative and dramatic standpoint doesn't make it apocryphal.

    Yeah doesn't mean the same thing can't apply to all eras.

    @Birdleson said it best with his one post this whole thing just seems agenda pushing to an unnecessary level. Maybe EON will interview random fans who feel empowered coming out of the premiere.
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    007Blofeld wrote: »
    matt_u wrote: »
    007Blofeld wrote: »
    Burgess wrote: »
    007Blofeld wrote: »
    Burgess wrote: »
    007Blofeld wrote: »
    matt_u wrote: »
    007Blofeld wrote: »
    matt_u wrote: »
    We know Craig's Bond was born in 1973, thanks to the Order of Guardianship featured in SP. If NTTD is set in 2019/2020, Bond would've been too old for being a double 0 if we look at this topic from the perspective of what Fleming wrote... he made it clear: a double 0 can't be 45+ years old. I know it means basically nothing, but anyway, just a random explanation to free somebody's pain. :D

    Roger Moore's Bond was a 00 agent and was definitely over 45. So was Connery and so on. @matt_u

    Yeah I know man but perhaps this self contained Craig era is more in line with what Fleming wrote from this standpoint.

    @matt_u then Craig's Bond isn't in the official series and these are unofficial productions like never say never again and that horrible casino Royale spoof.

    That’s a stretch. NSNA and CR ‘67 weren’t made by the people that owned and innovated that majority of Bond. That’s why they weren’t official. By your logic, Bond films made after Harry Saltzman left the series were unofficial productions.

    I think people are making this much more complicated than it is by talking past the point. The Craig films are a reboot of the Bond films with a self contained arc. That’s it.

    EON which is owned by Cubby owns the series which is kept by the Broccolis so it does make sense all 24 are official any that have the trade mark are apart of the series I just was making a point. @matt_u @Burgess

    Exactly. So the assertion that Craig existing in his own “pocket” universe means that his films are as unofficial as NSNA is silly.
    everything from 62 to now is official

    Well, obviously, yes. Craig era being the first truly self contained overall arc within the series from both a narrative and dramatic standpoint doesn't make it apocryphal.

    Yeah doesn't mean the same thing can't apply to all eras.

    @Birdleson said it best with his one post this whole thing just seems agenda pushing to an unnecessary level. Maybe EON will interview random fans who feel empowered coming out of the premiere.

    It’s interesting that casting a black actress as the new “007” is seen as agenda pushing rather than just as hiring someone they thought right for the acting role.

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    Burgess wrote: »
    007Blofeld wrote: »
    matt_u wrote: »
    007Blofeld wrote: »
    Burgess wrote: »
    007Blofeld wrote: »
    Burgess wrote: »
    007Blofeld wrote: »
    matt_u wrote: »
    007Blofeld wrote: »
    matt_u wrote: »
    We know Craig's Bond was born in 1973, thanks to the Order of Guardianship featured in SP. If NTTD is set in 2019/2020, Bond would've been too old for being a double 0 if we look at this topic from the perspective of what Fleming wrote... he made it clear: a double 0 can't be 45+ years old. I know it means basically nothing, but anyway, just a random explanation to free somebody's pain. :D

    Roger Moore's Bond was a 00 agent and was definitely over 45. So was Connery and so on. @matt_u

    Yeah I know man but perhaps this self contained Craig era is more in line with what Fleming wrote from this standpoint.

    @matt_u then Craig's Bond isn't in the official series and these are unofficial productions like never say never again and that horrible casino Royale spoof.

    That’s a stretch. NSNA and CR ‘67 weren’t made by the people that owned and innovated that majority of Bond. That’s why they weren’t official. By your logic, Bond films made after Harry Saltzman left the series were unofficial productions.

    I think people are making this much more complicated than it is by talking past the point. The Craig films are a reboot of the Bond films with a self contained arc. That’s it.

    EON which is owned by Cubby owns the series which is kept by the Broccolis so it does make sense all 24 are official any that have the trade mark are apart of the series I just was making a point. @matt_u @Burgess

    Exactly. So the assertion that Craig existing in his own “pocket” universe means that his films are as unofficial as NSNA is silly.
    everything from 62 to now is official

    Well, obviously, yes. Craig era being the first truly self contained overall arc within the series from both a narrative and dramatic standpoint doesn't make it apocryphal.

    Yeah doesn't mean the same thing can't apply to all eras.

    @Birdleson said it best with his one post this whole thing just seems agenda pushing to an unnecessary level. Maybe EON will interview random fans who feel empowered coming out of the premiere.

    It’s interesting that casting a black actress as the new “007” is seen as agenda pushing rather than just as hiring someone they thought right for the acting role.
    That's very true and sad. But I suppose that's got to do with the current circumstances in the film industry and well, the world.
  • matt_umatt_u better known as Mr. Roark
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    Univex wrote: »
    Burgess wrote: »
    007Blofeld wrote: »
    matt_u wrote: »
    007Blofeld wrote: »
    Burgess wrote: »
    007Blofeld wrote: »
    Burgess wrote: »
    007Blofeld wrote: »
    matt_u wrote: »
    007Blofeld wrote: »
    matt_u wrote: »
    We know Craig's Bond was born in 1973, thanks to the Order of Guardianship featured in SP. If NTTD is set in 2019/2020, Bond would've been too old for being a double 0 if we look at this topic from the perspective of what Fleming wrote... he made it clear: a double 0 can't be 45+ years old. I know it means basically nothing, but anyway, just a random explanation to free somebody's pain. :D

    Roger Moore's Bond was a 00 agent and was definitely over 45. So was Connery and so on. @matt_u

    Yeah I know man but perhaps this self contained Craig era is more in line with what Fleming wrote from this standpoint.

    @matt_u then Craig's Bond isn't in the official series and these are unofficial productions like never say never again and that horrible casino Royale spoof.

    That’s a stretch. NSNA and CR ‘67 weren’t made by the people that owned and innovated that majority of Bond. That’s why they weren’t official. By your logic, Bond films made after Harry Saltzman left the series were unofficial productions.

    I think people are making this much more complicated than it is by talking past the point. The Craig films are a reboot of the Bond films with a self contained arc. That’s it.

    EON which is owned by Cubby owns the series which is kept by the Broccolis so it does make sense all 24 are official any that have the trade mark are apart of the series I just was making a point. @matt_u @Burgess

    Exactly. So the assertion that Craig existing in his own “pocket” universe means that his films are as unofficial as NSNA is silly.
    everything from 62 to now is official

    Well, obviously, yes. Craig era being the first truly self contained overall arc within the series from both a narrative and dramatic standpoint doesn't make it apocryphal.

    Yeah doesn't mean the same thing can't apply to all eras.

    @Birdleson said it best with his one post this whole thing just seems agenda pushing to an unnecessary level. Maybe EON will interview random fans who feel empowered coming out of the premiere.

    It’s interesting that casting a black actress as the new “007” is seen as agenda pushing rather than just as hiring someone they thought right for the acting role.
    That's very true and sad. But I suppose that's got to do with the current circumstances in the film industry and well, the world.

    Well, yes, exactly.
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    Birdleson wrote: »
    Not to get back into the weeds, yet again, some are seeing it through the other side of the telescope. If it was a young white man talking to Bond in that tone and threatening to shoot him in the leg, there’d probably be a Hell of a lot more people pissed off and not wanting the guy to carry the 007 mantel. We have no access to any parallel universes to verify if this would be so, but I’m comfortable in the assumption.
    I agree. And yes, I'd be a helluva more pissed about that hypothetical scenario. Well, to tell you the truth, I wouldn't. I'd feel about the same. I just hate what they've done with the 00 mystique. But I'll roll with it like the good fan that I am. And I'll probably love the film. Just being totally honest :)
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    Birdleson wrote: »
    Not to get back into the weeds, yet again, some are seeing it through the other side of the telescope. If it was a young white man talking to Bond in that tone and threatening to shoot him in the leg, there’d probably be a Hell of a lot more people pissed off and not wanting the guy to carry the 007 mantel. We have no access to any parallel universes to verify if this would be so, but I’m comfortable in the assumption.

    Fair but it wouldn’t be framed as pushing an agenda.
  • 007Blofeld007Blofeld In the freedom of the West.
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    He speaks the truth.
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    Burgess wrote: »
    007Blofeld wrote: »
    matt_u wrote: »
    007Blofeld wrote: »
    Burgess wrote: »
    007Blofeld wrote: »
    Burgess wrote: »
    007Blofeld wrote: »
    matt_u wrote: »
    007Blofeld wrote: »
    matt_u wrote: »
    We know Craig's Bond was born in 1973, thanks to the Order of Guardianship featured in SP. If NTTD is set in 2019/2020, Bond would've been too old for being a double 0 if we look at this topic from the perspective of what Fleming wrote... he made it clear: a double 0 can't be 45+ years old. I know it means basically nothing, but anyway, just a random explanation to free somebody's pain. :D

    Roger Moore's Bond was a 00 agent and was definitely over 45. So was Connery and so on. @matt_u

    Yeah I know man but perhaps this self contained Craig era is more in line with what Fleming wrote from this standpoint.

    @matt_u then Craig's Bond isn't in the official series and these are unofficial productions like never say never again and that horrible casino Royale spoof.

    That’s a stretch. NSNA and CR ‘67 weren’t made by the people that owned and innovated that majority of Bond. That’s why they weren’t official. By your logic, Bond films made after Harry Saltzman left the series were unofficial productions.

    I think people are making this much more complicated than it is by talking past the point. The Craig films are a reboot of the Bond films with a self contained arc. That’s it.

    EON which is owned by Cubby owns the series which is kept by the Broccolis so it does make sense all 24 are official any that have the trade mark are apart of the series I just was making a point. @matt_u @Burgess

    Exactly. So the assertion that Craig existing in his own “pocket” universe means that his films are as unofficial as NSNA is silly.
    everything from 62 to now is official

    Well, obviously, yes. Craig era being the first truly self contained overall arc within the series from both a narrative and dramatic standpoint doesn't make it apocryphal.

    Yeah doesn't mean the same thing can't apply to all eras.

    @Birdleson said it best with his one post this whole thing just seems agenda pushing to an unnecessary level. Maybe EON will interview random fans who feel empowered coming out of the premiere.

    It’s interesting that casting a black actress as the new “007” is seen as agenda pushing rather than just as hiring someone they thought right for the acting role.

    Its interesting how you don't see this.
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