Should we get a new Q / Moneypenny for BOND 26 and beyond ?

edited September 2020 in Bond 26 & Beyond Posts: 416
Ben Wishaw was introduced in Skyfall, but after Daniel's final outing, should he continue as Q?
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  • PropertyOfALadyPropertyOfALady Colders Federation CEO
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    Yes, absolutely. I'd prefer Q was not like Moneypenny. And, why do they keep recasting her, come to think of it? Wouldn't longer serving actors similar to Lois Maxwell and Desmond Llewellyn be better?
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
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    Q plus Moneypenny and M are well cast and established in the roles, all three should continue with the next Bond actor.
  • edited March 2019 Posts: 12,292
    Definitely not.

    Now I'm not attatched to Fiennes and Harris at all. Fiennes is good, better than Brown but isn't a patch on Dench or Lee. Naomi Harris is a really good actress but I think just seems awkward as Moneypenny. Really can't figure out what it is, if it's her or the script or the direction or her not having chemistry with Craig or what. I'm interested to see how both of them are with a different director, but right now my feeling is that if they get recast when Craig leaves I won't lose any sleep. Might even be a good move if they're sticking with the idea of the Craig movies as their own seperate, closed off Nolan Batman sort of deal.

    But Wishaw? I didn't like the look of him when he was cast. Hated the concept of a geeky young hacker Q. But he's brilliant. Manages to be both a completely fresh take on the character while still also feeling like it's still that character. I liked Cleese as well, but Wishaw is in my opinion on another level. The perfect successor to Desmond and by far the best of the Craig regulars (Dench included, always preferred her with Brosnan, wasn't as keen on the Craig version). I think since Dench got to stay on across the reboot then he should too if there is one. He's great.

    We don't need a new Q and won't do for a very, very long time imo. This take is great, and he's such a good actor that he could easily keep at it as he gets older, maybe slowly becoming a more traditional version once we're at a point where he's older than the actor playing Bond. He could play Q for even longer than Desmond did, if not longer.

    I'll be gutted if he goes when Craig does. I know he's a busy actor, but I really hope that he wants to stay and find the time for these films even if it becomes a smaller part, and I hope that EON have the sense to let him.
  • Posts: 958
    In my opinion, I'd like only Fiennes to return as M. In a limited, Bernard Lee like role. Just like Judi Dench's M eased us into to Craig's CR. So a new Q, new Moneypenny and all new MI6 regulars for B26.
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
    edited March 2019 Posts: 10,339
    I love Whishaw as Q, but wouldn't it be strange to see a 50 year old Whishaw trying to keep up the image of a young, geeky Q?
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
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    No recasting the MI6 crew, thanks. I expect Bond 26 will see a continuation of these actors with a new Bond actor, like with Connery-Laz-Moore. The scenes between Bond and Q are highlights of the Mendes films... I'm curious why Q in particular is being singled out here.
  • BirdlesonBirdleson San Jose, CAModerator
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    For me he’s the only one worth keeping. After promising starts in SF, both this incarnation of M and Moneypenny really grated on me in SP. Can they be brought back on track? Sure, but I’m fine moving on. And I actively dislike Kinear’s Tanner. It is essential that at least one actor continue in the same role. That tradition has been the one bit of consistent continuity since the film series’ inception. I would truly be saddened to see that broken.
  • M_BaljeM_Balje Amsterdam, Netherlands
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    Bond 27 & Beyond should be the quistion i think and atleast Ben Wishaw and Fiennes should stay.
  • ShardlakeShardlake Leeds, West Yorkshire, England
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    Definitely Wishaw should stay, although if this is to be a full stop when DC walks away and I'm still of the suspicion they are going down the route of closing off this timeline permanently when Craig leaves. Be it this film or maybe another (I can hear the gnashing of teeth of the Craig haters as I type at the prospect of it). I can see a whole new bunch of actors being cast in these roles.

    I also think that fans are not going to get their ideal wet dream the next time round, be it that plank of wood gets the job or that Poldark fella.

    A number of the collective are setting themselves for a huge disappointment. I know some think we are going to reset back to the Roger/Pierce era because supposedly things need to lighten up.

    I do feel though although someone might turn the dimmer switch a few notches, a good bit of what was established in the DC era will be here to stay, especially with Barbara at the controls.
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    I am not really sure? Guess whether they change what kind of movies we will be getting once DC has left the role.
  • Posts: 19,339
    No x keep Ben and Ralph,maybe Naomi too.

    We need some consistency.
  • I think Ben, Ralph and Naomi should stay. They can play their characters for a long time. Bond 26 could be a soft reboot.
  • Posts: 11,237
    I'm torn on this. I'd really like a re-boot that establishes M, Moneypenny and Q as the characters Fleming created: Sir Miles Messervy, Major Boorthoyd, etc

    That said there's really no reason Ben's Q could n't' be referred to as Boothroyd at some point.
  • mattjoesmattjoes So this is it. This joke is played out.
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    No, I want to see Whishaw stay on board, first of all because he's good in the role (I felt he really grew into it in Spectre), and second, because like others have said, continuity between eras is important. I like Fiennes as well, though I must say lately I find myself missing the age difference between Bond and M (Bill Nighy would've been great in the role, either in the warmer Bernard Lee style or the more antagonistic Robert Brown style). That said, I do want Fiennes to go on. He's quite good. Harris doesn't work as Moneypenny. They could replace her as soon as possible, as far as I'm concerned, provided Whishaw and Fiennes stayed on board.
  • DenbighDenbigh UK
    edited March 2019 Posts: 4,017
    I want them to stay, but I wouldn't be surprised if Craig leaving spurs them on to leave as well. They have their own big careers and they may want to go pursue other things as while they haven't been the characters in that many films, they've been in the Bond world for about eight years now.
  • edited March 2019 Posts: 416
    Definitely not.

    Now I'm not attatched to Fiennes and Harris at all. Fiennes is good, better than Brown but isn't a patch on Dench or Lee. Naomi Harris is a really good actress but I think just seems awkward as Moneypenny. Really can't figure out what it is, if it's her or the script or the direction or her not having chemistry with Craig or what. I'm interested to see how both of them are with a different director, but right now my feeling is that if they get recast when Craig leaves I won't lose any sleep. Might even be a good move if they're sticking with the idea of the Craig movies as their own seperate, closed off Nolan Batman sort of deal.

    But Wishaw? I didn't like the look of him when he was cast. Hated the concept of a geeky young hacker Q. But he's brilliant. Manages to be both a completely fresh take on the character while still also feeling like it's still that character. I liked Cleese as well, but Wishaw is in my opinion on another level. The perfect successor to Desmond and by far the best of the Craig regulars (Dench included, always preferred her with Brosnan, wasn't as keen on the Craig version). I think since Dench got to stay on across the reboot then he should too if there is one. He's great.

    We don't need a new Q and won't do for a very, very long time imo. This take is great, and he's such a good actor that he could easily keep at it as he gets older, maybe slowly becoming a more traditional version once we're at a point where he's older than the actor playing Bond. He could play Q for even longer than Desmond did, if not longer.

    I'll be gutted if he goes when Craig does. I know he's a busy actor, but I really hope that he wants to stay and find the time for these films even if it becomes a smaller part, and I hope that EON have the sense to let him.

    The chemistry between Ben Wishaw and Daniel is superb. It works so well adding some humour to the role and making it fresh at the same time. I also find the new M a great choice. I think he's perfectly cast for the role, but you can never beat Judy Dench.
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    Gareth007 wrote: »
    Definitely not.

    Now I'm not attatched to Fiennes and Harris at all. Fiennes is good, better than Brown but isn't a patch on Dench or Lee. Naomi Harris is a really good actress but I think just seems awkward as Moneypenny. Really can't figure out what it is, if it's her or the script or the direction or her not having chemistry with Craig or what. I'm interested to see how both of them are with a different director, but right now my feeling is that if they get recast when Craig leaves I won't lose any sleep. Might even be a good move if they're sticking with the idea of the Craig movies as their own seperate, closed off Nolan Batman sort of deal.

    But Wishaw? I didn't like the look of him when he was cast. Hated the concept of a geeky young hacker Q. But he's brilliant. Manages to be both a completely fresh take on the character while still also feeling like it's still that character. I liked Cleese as well, but Wishaw is in my opinion on another level. The perfect successor to Desmond and by far the best of the Craig regulars (Dench included, always preferred her with Brosnan, wasn't as keen on the Craig version). I think since Dench got to stay on across the reboot then he should too if there is one. He's great.

    We don't need a new Q and won't do for a very, very long time imo. This take is great, and he's such a good actor that he could easily keep at it as he gets older, maybe slowly becoming a more traditional version once we're at a point where he's older than the actor playing Bond. He could play Q for even longer than Desmond did, if not longer.

    I'll be gutted if he goes when Craig does. I know he's a busy actor, but I really hope that he wants to stay and find the time for these films even if it becomes a smaller part, and I hope that EON have the sense to let him.

    The chemistry between Ben Wishaw and Daniel is superb. It works so well adding some humour to the role and making it fresh at the same time. I also find the new M a great choice. I think he's perfectly cast for the role, but you can never beat Judy Dench.

    You can,his name is Bernard Lee ;)

  • Posts: 13,522
    Fiennes, Whishaw and Harris are in place now so makes sense to keep them going forward, when a new Bond actor is in place the characters could easily be tweaked, Dench played two different M's.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    Harris might be too old by the time the next Bond actor comes around. The other two are fine. I feel it's time too introduce May to the film series.
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
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    Good find. I hope he stays on too, as well as the rest of the supporting MI6 crew.
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    QBranch wrote: »
    Good find. I hope he stays on too, as well as the rest of the supporting MI6 crew.

    Yes, I hope he stays on. I think the role of M suits him well. The only risk is possibly Q, as I feel the chemistry might not work with the next actor, but hopefully it will. :)
  • Posts: 118
    I think that with a new actor as James Bond starting from BOND 26, we should also have a new group of actors in the Mi6 team. A new M, Miss Moneypenny, Q and Tanner.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
    Posts: 5,565
    When Daniel leaves, this incarnation concludes.
    The next actor will begin a new era; bring on a whole new cast.
  • DrClatterhandDrClatterhand United Kingdom
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    I think Nolan will want a whole new team when he starts his trilogy.
  • BirdlesonBirdleson San Jose, CAModerator
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    We need to keep one. That is the single consistent element of the franchise; that one actor continue in their role. I would hate to lose that tradition.

    I hope like Hell we never get Nolan.
  • j_w_pepperj_w_pepper Hamburg, near the Atlantic Hotel
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    I'm all for Whishaw staying around. He is not as young as people claim he looks. He'll be 40 next year, and the next James Bond will probably be around that age, maybe even less. The traditional Q (no matter if Whishaw's Q is supposed to be a reincarnation) was a Major. 40 years is not an unusual age (today maybe even too old) for being a Major. It's a rank below Commander, so it would also make sense if he were a bit younger than Bond. Peter Burton was 41 or so when he played Major Boothroyd ("Armourer") in Dr. No. Fleming himself describes Boothroyd as having about the same age as Bond (don't ask me where that was, I just seem to remember that). The only problem that anyone can have with Whishaw's perceived age is the Desmond effect, who hung around the franchise for so long that people took it for granted that Q was really a retired grandfather who stayed on with the service way past any reasonable retirement age for whatever reason (bitchy wife, annoying grandchildren, model railway at home broke down). But that's not the Fleming Q, and at least until, say, Moonraker that was also not the movie Q.

    And I don't want Nolan either. The most overrated director since James Cameron.
  • BirdlesonBirdleson San Jose, CAModerator
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    I'll put him above Cameron, because at least Nolan has done a few films that I've enjoyed. But on Bond? No thanks.
  • Posts: 223
    Whishaw should play Q as long as possible like Desmond Lewellyn (also Ralph Fiennes as M and Naomie Harris as Miss Moneypenny should stay).
  • Posts: 10,274
    Definitely in favor of all the current MI6 crew remaining as long as possible after Craig. They really did a great casting job with SF and got the positions right IMO.
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