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Until Bond dies again (not anytime soon I'd think) NTTD will always be remembered as the one where he gets a daughter and he dies. It will always have that notoriety for those elements as well as polarising fans. I'm sure future fans will be divided just as they are now. And I couldn't be arsed because I liked the film.
@Mendes4Lyfe just got completely hoisted by his own petard. Oh my god, how embarrassing. =))
Many films get re-assessed over time. OHMSS and LTK are two examples, and they have each seen an elevation in their status in recent years, as a result.
In similar manner...
NTTD will be re-assessed, and it will undoubtedly go down as one of the most important Bond films ever made. That is my prediction.
No one can longer say a climax lacks danger because "we know Bond will survive".
No one can joke anymore about "why the Bond villain never just shoots Bond?"
No one can say that Bond can never be a family man.
This puts an exciting premise for the next era. It is not that the next films necessarily will follow up in the same vein. But knowing that anything is possible is exciting.
NTTD doesn't have to be re-assessed, because it was not a flop like OHMSS and LTK.
It is already beloved by many Bond fans.
It already has higher imdb- and RT-ratings than OHMSS and LTK. And it was a bigger success at the box office than OHMSS and LTK.
Yes. It now stands at $774M and it’s worth mentioning that without theaters being shut down in a lot of regions in China and with an hypothetical day and date release in Australia/NZ as well it would’ve easily crossed $800M worldwide…
I'm a Craig hater, I'll fly that tag proudly, I didn't like NTTD on the whole, and I hated the ending. But I can still give the film some credit, that is has done ok under the circumstances.
Though that link does make for an interesting read. There appears to be a downward trend through the 80's, a brief spike with TLD (introducing the new Bond), then drops down again with TLD. Also the budgets for the Craig era are unbelievable. On one hand, I didn't realize that CR had a budget of $102 million. But then on the other hand, they get ridiculous over the following films. $300million for SPECTRE? Where did it all go?
Paying the people of Rome to stay off their streets while they filmed a car chase?
Seriously though IMO the best explanation for why SP cost $300 million is that it actually didn’t. I think about $150 million would be a better ballpark for what it actually cost.
Oh, of course. Mendes record setting explosion. #-o Still though, I mean.... while I am one of the few people to have something nice to say about parts of SP, that explosion really didn't look so impressive to watch.
Really? I am no expert on BO, but if that's true, that SP only cost $150M, how can $300M be quoted? That's quite a jump. $150M would make sense.
IMO budget figures quoted to the public are just pre-release hype like everything else
I think of them as entirely different terms. A film that underperforms is one that is modestly successful but didn’t come close to meeting box office expectations, and LTK was undeniably one.
A flop is something like what WEST SIDE STORY appears to be. Dead on arrival. A $100 million dollar musical dropping like a stone after just one week. NO Bond film has ever seen a catastrophe on that level.
Has Spielberg ever had a flop like that before?
Not like this. Even his lowest grossing film SUGARLAND EXPRESS was a low budget film so it likely made a decent profit.
Bravo to eon..and well done Mr Craig.
Exactly and it did that against F9 that grossed $200M in China alone.
I know, that both OHMSS and LTK were no financial flops.
Just wanted to say, that more people went to see NTTD at the cinema than OHMSS or LTK.
Just back from no way home. I thought it was really good. It is what it is, but in terms of knowing the audience and delivering the goods it soared where Bond crashed and burned IMO.
I hope we go down the celebratory, fun and confident road with the next interation
You make it sound like no way home isn’t breaking records worldwide. Are you okay?
The Numbers has it as $774m ww. Spidey's opening weekend was 600m worldwide and will trounce Bond soon but not a big deal, Bond still did well.
MGM just hasn't updated the numbers yet.
Exactly. Super thrilled to have had NTTD and NWH in such short order. At the end of the day, IMO, the theatre-goers are the winners.