James Bond v Ethan Hunt v John Wick v Jason Bourne v Frank Castle

edited August 2017 in General Movies & TV Posts: 19,339
Just a general thread discussion....while we wait for more BOND25 info :

Who wins ?

And why ?
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  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    Bond. 50+ years and 6 excellent actors means it's a no contest. Elegance, style, heritage & British sophistication wins every day.

    This would be a thrashing just with Connery or Moore on their own imho.

    PS: @barryt007, I think you mean 'Hunt' rather than 'Hawke'.
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    Hahaha silly sod of course,thanks @bondjames me olde matey !!
  • BennyBenny ...OctobennyModerator
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    Ethan Hawke...when did he become such a badass spy type guy.
    Think you mean Ethan Hunt Bazza
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    Benny wrote: »
    Ethan Hawke...when did he become such a badass spy type guy.
    Think you mean Ethan Hunt Bazza

    hahaha I know Benster......all changed.
  • Bond lets Bourne and Wick fight it out and in the mean time sleeps with Ethan's wife, finds out about his penchant for big stunts from her and uses that to lure him into a trap: sets up a big Tom Cruise stunt then sabotages it and kills him. Bourne has killed Wick at this point but the fight has taken its toll and he's pretty banged up, Bond tracks him down and could kill him easily but decides to let Bourne keep running.

    Bond would win because he's got pretty much all their skillsets combined: Ethan's daredevil nature? Cribbed from Bond and so are most of his stunts. Bourne's hand to hand combat? This is the guy who took out Red Grant. John Wick's marksmanship? He shot down a helicopter from a speeding boat at night with a few potshots from his pistol in the last movie. All that plus his intelligence, charm and luck means Bond would take it easily imo.
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
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    Bourne would surely be dead meat against Wick, no? If we take @barryt007's thread literally for a minute, then Bourne rarely, if ever, used a gun to kill someone, while Wick uses guns 99% of the time. Fist-fight wise Bourne would probably have the upper hand, but his skills are cancelled since Wick would just headshot him from 20 meters away.
  • QsAssistantQsAssistant All those moments lost in time... like tears in rain
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    I love the Mission Impossible movies, more so than the Bourne movies, but Ethan would probably be the first to get taken out. After that... sorry guys but Bond would be next.
    The real fight would come down to Wick and Bourne. Bourne has had extreme training. He was literally tortured into becoming the badass he is. We know very little about Wick's past and how he became the Baba Yaga. What we do know is that he's feared by most, that he's a badass... and that he's killed men with a pencil.
    Honestly I'd give this one to...
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  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    Bond? Bourne? Q? Benji? Pffft I say.

    When you absolutely have to get the job done, there's only one Scooby that will do.

    Chloe and.........Jack.
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
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    Another interesting question is who would win a fight between John Wick and Vincent (Tom Cruise in Collateral). Care to place a bet, @bondjames?
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    @DaltonCraig007, purely on the number of kills, I'd have to give the edge to Wick. Also, regrettably, Vincent went down at the hands of a lowly cab driver. Wick has yet to suffer such humiliation, but the ending of JW2 didn't bode well. I have no idea how he's going to get out of that one.
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    bondjames wrote: »
    @DaltonCraig007, purely on the number of kills, I'd have to give the edge to Wick. Also, regrettably, Vincent went down at the hands of a lowly cab driver. Wick has yet to suffer such humiliation, but the ending of JW2 didn't bode well. I have no idea how he's going to get out of that one.

    Me neither..and I think we have another dead dog on our hands sooner rather than later.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    barryt007 wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    @DaltonCraig007, purely on the number of kills, I'd have to give the edge to Wick. Also, regrettably, Vincent went down at the hands of a lowly cab driver. Wick has yet to suffer such humiliation, but the ending of JW2 didn't bode well. I have no idea how he's going to get out of that one.

    Me neither..and I think we have another dead dog on our hands sooner rather than later.
    In that case he will indeed be unstoppable.
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    bondjames wrote: »
    barryt007 wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    @DaltonCraig007, purely on the number of kills, I'd have to give the edge to Wick. Also, regrettably, Vincent went down at the hands of a lowly cab driver. Wick has yet to suffer such humiliation, but the ending of JW2 didn't bode well. I have no idea how he's going to get out of that one.

    Me neither..and I think we have another dead dog on our hands sooner rather than later.
    In that case he will indeed be unstoppable.

    Damn right.....we could use him to take out ISIS...
  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Defender of Timothy Dalton, George Lazenby, Éric Serra & Bond '83!
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    Bond takes them all out while adjusting his cufflinks.

    Never understood this fascination with brutish action heroes who are lacking in style and sophistication.
  • QsAssistantQsAssistant All those moments lost in time... like tears in rain
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    Because realistically style and sophistication won't help you in a fight.
  • MurdockMurdock Mr. 2000
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    Bond.
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    Bond everytime! The original and the best!
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    Bond would actually be the first to die in this fight. These guys won't hesitate beating or shooting him to death with the exception of maybe Hunt. However, Hunt's daredevil physicality gives him a more competitive edge. In any case Bond would be the first to be eliminated from this equation.
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    If they're fighting with fire extinguishers or couches, Connery Bond would totally win.

    (If you add Ethan Hawke to the list, my answer might be different.)
  • MurdockMurdock Mr. 2000
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    All Pierce's Bond has to do is mow them down with a machine gun. ;)
  • edited August 2017 Posts: 12,314
    Bourne would surely be dead meat against Wick, no? If we take @barryt007's thread literally for a minute, then Bourne rarely, if ever, used a gun to kill someone, while Wick uses guns 99% of the time. Fist-fight wise Bourne would probably have the upper hand, but his skills are cancelled since Wick would just headshot him from 20 meters away.

    Bourne has gone up against people with guns frequently though. John Wick is very good at shooting people but he tends to just walk around shooting people. Bourne can disappear. Use the environment to his advantage. He wouldn't let John Wick get a clean shot. And he's no slouch with a gun either (remember the first one where he shot that guy in the head while falling several stories?).
    doubleoego wrote: »
    Bond would actually be the first to die in this fight. These guys won't hesitate beating or shooting him to death with the exception of maybe Hunt. However, Hunt's daredevil physicality gives him a more competitive edge. In any case Bond would be the first to be eliminated from this equation.

    I don't see anything these guys have that Bond doesn't to be honest. Red Grant is probably just as well trained as any of Treadstone's guys and Bond took him out, so I think he could do the same to Bourne. Hunt's daredevil physicality? The most impressive thing he's done is probably hanging off the side of a plane and Bond did that in Octopussy. Bond once rode a motorbike off a cliff, caught up to a falling plane in mid air and flew it away. Doesn't get much more daredevil than that imo. The only thing Hunt has going for him is the gadgets but Bond has those too. John Wick is good with a gun sure but so is Bond (Bond probably killed just as many people in GE as Wick did in either of his films right?). John Wick is also a more human action hero. He gets hurt and tired much more than Bond or Bourne, and how badass he is comes from how credible it all seems. Not knocking that, it's one of the reasons those films are so great. But Bond and Bourne are basically supermen. John Wick is about as badass as a more realistic spy/assassin can be. But Bond and Bourne are not realistic.
    Because realistically style and sophistication won't help you in a fight.

    Well it depends on context. If you just throw them all into a ring and say fight to the death? Then no, but I assumed it was level playing field. Say they're all in one city, have access to their usual resources (how would any of them even touch Bond when he could just hide out in his weaponised, bullet proof Aston Martin?), and just have to track down and kill eachother. In which case Bond's charm, sophistication and just general James Bondness would help massively. He could probably seduce a female continental assassin, get intel on the hotel Wick is staying in and kill him in his sleep then use a gadget to blow up the hotel as he casually walks off and quips. Or say Hunt is using one of those masks to disguise himself as one of the ponces in a casino Bond is chilling in, all he has to do is order the wrong drink and Bond could suss him out easily.

    They don't say nobody does it better for a reason. Bond shits on these guys imo. Bourne is the only one who'd have a chance but I think the resources Bond has access to would give him the edge. I think that if he was sent to kill Bourne though, Bond would spare him in the end and let him keep running. After all he doesn't really like killing at all, especially not people who don't deserve it.
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    Red Grant is nothing special. He's a typical villain that made the same mistake the majority of Bond villains do: minologuing, ego and greed and wasting time instead of just getting on with the kill. One of the very few things I liked about SP was Hinx having Bond dead to rights. Bond was zero match for him but alas he was saved at the last second by Swan. When I think of all the times Bond has been caught or incapacitated it really does look like a joke to suggest he could come out on top against these guys and I'm sorry but Bond hanging from a net in the back of a plane diesnt compare to all the physical stunts of Hunts. These participants aren't the red shirts/fodder that usually gets thrown Bond's way. 007 is dead meat in this bout.
  • doubleoego wrote: »
    Red Grant is nothing special. He's a typical villain that made the same mistake the majority of Bond villains do: minologuing, ego and greed and wasting time instead of just getting on with the kill. One of the very few things I liked about SP was Hinx having Bond dead to rights. Bond was zero match for him but alas he was saved at the last second by Swan. When I think of all the times Bond has been caught or incapacitated it really does look like a joke to suggest he could come out on top against these guys and I'm sorry but Bond hanging from a net in the back of a plane diesnt compare to all the physical stunts of Hunts. These participants aren't the red shirts/fodder that usually gets thrown Bond's way. 007 is dead meat in this bout.

    I wasn't talking about TLD, I was talking about OP, it's literally the same as the Mission Impossible stunt (but done 20 years earlier). And again I don't think Hunt has ever done anything as impressive as catching a plane in mid air. So the best stunts from Mission Impossible have usually been done by Bond anyway, and Hunt's never done anything as impressive as the physically impossible/CGI stunts from the Brosnan films (surfing a tsunami). I can accept people thinking Bourne and Wick have a chance but saying Hunt is better than Bond? Nah. He's basically just a Bond rip off.

    Grant was Spectre's best assassin. Klebb hit him and he didn't even flinch. He spent all his time training on that island. So he's probably just as dangerous as any of the Treadstone guys. And haven't all these been captured/incapacitated at one point? John Wick would have died in the first one if it weren't for Willem Dafoe, Ethan has been captured multiple times. Bourne has been knocked out on a couple of occasions. The only reason it seems more common in Bond is because he's had more movies.

    I think the mistake people are making here is basing this off stuff like fight coreography rather than in the context of the actual film. Sure John Wick seems more badass because he's got the stunt coordinators from the Matrix directing his fight scenes but at the end of the day he's a gun for hire who spends most of the first film battling low level mafia guys and who scraped by the skin of his teeth when he's put up against fellow assassins in the second one. He's very good and probably is the most dangerous man in the criminal underworld but Bond is a 00. He works at a different level. We've literally seen him take out armies as well as men with training on par with him and even immortal/invulnerable opponents on a few different occasions. On paper he's the best by far even if the films don't always do that justice.

    And if we're going to criticise most of Bond's kills for being canon fodder surely we can do the same for Hunt (I can't remember a single henchman from the MI films) and even Wick, no? Bourne is the only one that doesn't apply to because he pretty much exclusively fights assassins like him.
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    Unfortunately I don't have the spare time to argue some of your points but i'll put it down to this...and this is just my opinion on the matter but as much as I love and mostly enjoy the Bond films, for the most part I just don't buy the credibility of what we're supposed to accept of his "capabilities" at least not to the degree that I can suspend my disbelief more for the others. Again, Hunt's physicality is something I just having seen Bond come close to. From the bullet train set piece in the first MI to the Rock climbing stunt and a few others I vaguely remember from the 2nd, the sicial stunt in the 3rd, the stunt in Dubai and quite a few things from Rogue Nation...nah, Bond can jump on to a train all he likes but dude's coming in last for me RE:This particular fatal-4 way bout.
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    Forgot about Castle as the Punisher in this bout.......
  • QsAssistantQsAssistant All those moments lost in time... like tears in rain
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    I was honestly just thinking about the Punisher being in this fight. I came here to mention it.

    Really this would be a mess of a fight. I think it would be best to divide them, one against one. Pit one against an equal counterpart. Then I guess have the three winners fight it out in a free-for-all.

    Bourne vs Bond

    Wick vs Punisher

    Hunt vs... Arthur Bishop (The Mechanic) or Frank Martian (The Transporter)?
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
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    We're missing a Denzel Washington character now. John Creasy (Man on Fire) or Robert McCall (The Equalizer)?
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    We're missing a Denzel Washington character now. John Creasy (Man on Fire) or The Equalizer?

    Creasy beats everyone!
  • QsAssistantQsAssistant All those moments lost in time... like tears in rain
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    This thread might as well be the "Action Hero vs Action Hero" thread lol.
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
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    This thread might as well be the "Action Hero vs Action Hero" thread lol.

    That would be too easy, we already know the winner. ;)

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