Well here comes the UK General Election!

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  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
    edited June 2017 Posts: 9,117
    A deafening silence from all the Toriy MPs. Normally they'd be circling like sharks with so much of Teresa's blood in the water.

    Seems like they're all happy to leave her to deal with the monumental clusterfuck she's lumbered us all with. Can't really blame them. Who'd want the job now?

    Omnishambles.
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    There's at least a few Tories MP and supporters who said she's on borrowed time. Of course they will let her stay for now.
  • ShardlakeShardlake Leeds, West Yorkshire, England
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    I'm afraid for all you right wingers that things are going to change.

    Do you really think what happened last night there isn't going to be any repercussions?

    The young realise they have some power and come the next time they get an opportunity expect them to be provide an even bigger turn out.

    I'm afraid this is the revenge of remainers, this generation is not happy with the situation that their parents and grandparents have consigned them to and they made that clear.

    Corbyn is far from the joke some of you have made him out to be and it's likely the Labour party will reunite behind him, this what he did with hardly any support from the party and with the full force of the British media against him.

    Murdoch & co's attempts to discredit him have failed, the youth aren't going to fall for that bullshit they've seen through and all the negative press towards him has backfired.

    Get ready and strap in come the next time people get a chance to make a choice it's going to be very different.

    Just remember only 35% of the country voted in the referendum and the result was close, so please stop saying the British people have spoken.
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
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    The British voting population has spoken. That's democracy. People who chose not to vote can only blame themselves.

    Corbyn is a left wing populist and he made his campaign on social media. Corbyn is very, very clever. But he'll get nowhere. Labour still has lost this election even if it looks different today.

    The British voting population doesn't want a Labour PM.
  • ShardlakeShardlake Leeds, West Yorkshire, England
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    The British voting population has spoken. That's democracy. People who chose not to vote can only blame themselves.

    Corbyn is a left wing populist and he made his campaign on social media. Corbyn is very, very clever. But he'll get nowhere. Labour still has lost this election even if it looks different today.

    The British voting population doesn't want a Labour PM.

    We'll see about that, the youth haven't voted like they have here like this before and I assure you this is just the beginning.

    Corbyn achieved what he did with barely any backing of his own party and the most disgusting campaign by the press, now with the backing of Labour and the fact the influence of the press is clearly not working anymore I wouldn't rule it out.

    People thought he'd crash and burn and it's been very different.

    We've not heard the last of Jeremy Corbyn by a long shot!

    Sorry about that you Tory voters but the game has changed and it's not going to go back to what it was like before, the coalition is already looking suspect.

    If there is another election sooner than later, Labour won't pissing about this time and the result like last night could surprise you right wingers big time.
  • MayDayDiVicenzoMayDayDiVicenzo Here and there
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    Haha delicious. That's all I have to say.
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
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    Shardlake wrote: »
    I'm afraid for all you right wingers that things are going to change.

    Do you really think what happened last night there isn't going to be any repercussions?

    The young realise they have some power and come the next time they get an opportunity expect them to be provide an even bigger turn out.

    I'm afraid this is the revenge of remainers, this generation is not happy with the situation that their parents and grandparents have consigned them to and they made that clear.

    Corbyn is far from the joke some of you have made him out to be and it's likely the Labour party will reunite behind him, this what he did with hardly any support from the party and with the full force of the British media against him.

    Murdoch & co's attempts to discredit him have failed, the youth aren't going to fall for that bullshit they've seen through and all the negative press towards him has backfired.

    Get ready and strap in come the next time people get a chance to make a choice it's going to be very different.

    Just remember only 35% of the country voted in the referendum and the result was close, so please stop saying the British people have spoken.

    It was Stormzy wot won it.

    Jesus.
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy My Secret Lair
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    The last time British youth voted like this was for the Mighty LibDems ! and look
    How they've gone from success to success.
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    @Shardlake I am neither right winger nor conservative for the record. And I think Corbyn did a very strong campaign and will ever go as far as saying that unlike May he's a natural campaigner. Heck I voted Labour for the first time since the Iraq war, not so much for Corbyn than against the Tories and I am far more comfortable with my vote than I would have been say six months ago. And don't get me wrong: Corbyn has his flaws and I think many of his promises are at best irrealistic. But he has principles and he can defend them.
  • ShardlakeShardlake Leeds, West Yorkshire, England
    edited June 2017 Posts: 4,043
    Ludovico wrote: »
    @Shardlake I am neither right winger nor conservative for the record. And I think Corbyn did a very strong campaign and will ever go as far as saying that unlike May he's a natural campaigner. Heck I voted Labour for the first time since the Iraq war, not so much for Corbyn than against the Tories and I am far more comfortable with my vote than I would have been say six months ago. And don't get me wrong: Corbyn has his flaws and I think many of his promises are at best irrealistic. But he has principles and he can defend them.

    I'm glad you feel this way @Ludovico.

    Also all this talk of Corbyn being a terrorist sympathiser and the tories get into bed with the DUP to secure a majority without going into how dodgy and damaging this could become.

    We have a government who sold arms to Saudi Arabia which it has been said likely ended up in the arms of ISIS or ISL or whatever you call them.

    Yet Corbyn talking to the IRA and other terrorist to try and reach an agreement peacefully is seen as treason???

    Seriously if people are swallowing this bullshit we are as bad as America and all the fake News the great orange overlord has managed to make so powerful and persuasive to certain sections of the country he now governs.

    Lets face it Blairite Labour and the Tories are duplicitous in the situation we have now far more than Corbyn, making him the scapegoat for the mess we are in with terrorist is ludicrous and thankfully a good percentage of people didn't fall for these lies and propaganda.

    May saying we haven't been strong enough with terrorism and extremism when she was the home secretary for over 6 years is the height of hypocrisy.

    I said it would be different and one forum member told me I was wrong well I wonder how it tastes knowing that your darling leader is the laughing stock of the world with her arrogant opportunism taking for granted that she'd get her majority and it blowing up in her face so spectacularly.

    In the space of less than 1 year we've had two of the worst Prime Ministers in history make 2 very rash decisions, I'll leave it to this man, he says it better than I could ever do.





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    First introduction to Conservative HQ reception?
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
    edited June 2017 Posts: 9,020
    Cameron was a catastrophe on every level.

    Even if I think Brexit is a good thing for the UK, it is clear it only was a tool to secure Cameron's re-election.

    Nevertheless, a majority of the British voters have opted for Brexit. Let's accept that.

    I am convinced though, in less than 10 years the British will see that they are way better off with some bilateral agreements with the EU than being a full member of it.
    The EU doesn't include some of the countries that prosper very well without it, always have, always will. And Switzerland is one of those of course.

    In retrospect the British have to be thankful for the deal that was done back in the day.
    Just imagine, the British Pound would have been sacrificed like the German government sacrificed the German Mark.

    The UK will be just fine without the EU.
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    Its just fact that the last two Conservative PM's have gambled with the future of our nation in order to gain/increase power and both have failed and we are left to pick up the pieces. May will resign, right a book, take a place on the board of a couple of big PLCs and take some cash to advise the C of E on some rubbish. They both saw only one outcome and did not plan for an outcome that they thought was impossible. A combination of arrogance, greed combined with have no clue as to what the nation was thinking. But, at street level, we still carry on, opening dooes for each other, queuing and doing all the things that make us a decent community. We all deserve better and we dont get better. Do we have to riot to get better?
    And we are stuck with some thing that is so much more than a mess, no words exists.
  • JamesBondKenyaJamesBondKenya Danny Boyle laughs to himself
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    I don't live in the U.K. But I do have an understanding of the political system there.
    Why don't you all say what party you support and why.
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    I was crying at the Joe Pie vid further up the page. Brilliant! lol!
  • stagstag In the thick of it!
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    I don't live in the U.K. But I do have an understanding of the political system there.
    Why don't you all say what party you support and why.

    I've no issues with that, though you must understand that some people will wish to keep their affiliations private. Personally I'm what's known as a floating voter. I bear no allegiance to any one political party. That said my natural affiliation has always been Labour, but since Tony Blair my votes have largely gone to other parties. I still vote Labour at local level though.

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    stag wrote: »
    I don't live in the U.K. But I do have an understanding of the political system there.
    Why don't you all say what party you support and why.

    I've no issues with that, though you must understand that some people will wish to keep their affiliations private. Personally I'm what's known as a floating voter. I bear no allegiance to any one political party. That said my natural affiliation has always been Labour, but since Tony Blair my votes have largely gone to other parties. I still vote Labour at local level though.

    Same here. I could have voted Conservative in 2005 because of the Iraq war had I been then UK resident. Since 2007 onwards I voted Lib Dem except in this election when I voted Labour.
  • LeonardPineLeonardPine The Bar on the Beach
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    Have no affiliation for any party except I would never vote Labour. They've always been full of liars and lefties. Big on mass immigration, soft on crime and too ready to please minorities over anything else.

    Grew up in the dark depressing days of the 70's Labour party. Much as a lot of people hated Thatcherism and she certainly wasn't perfect, she put this country back on its feet and actually gave some sense of pride back into Britain.

    She also got rid of that disgusting left wing farce called the GLC.
  • JamesBondKenyaJamesBondKenya Danny Boyle laughs to himself
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    So there are the conservitaves which are like republicans except not ultra religious. There are labourers who are socialist or just left? Then there are liberal democrats what is the difference between them and labourers and then are conservatives the only right wing party?
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    So there are the conservitaves which are like republicans except not ultra religious. There are labourers who are socialist or just left? Then there are liberal democrats what is the difference between them and labourers and then are conservatives the only right wing party?

    Labour is technically left except when Blair came into power. He was not really left. Lib Dem is "whatever's left" and thus has often been my choice, simply because I could not commit myself to vote either Tory or Labour. Tories are not always/necessarily ultra religious, but some are (Nadine Dorries is a fine example) and I fear this new alliance with the DUP because it is putting in power religious wackos. I thought Theresa May was not overtly religious even though she is the daughter of a minister, but she recently barged in a stupid controversy about Cadbury cream eggs that was started by the Church of England. I started strongly distrusting her then and doubting her judgement. Turned out I was right. Shame, as for a conservative I thought she had started all right.
  • RC7RC7
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    I voted Green, along with four other people. They're never going to be in power, but I personally think they offer decent policies on a local level and it would be beneficial for them to grab a few constituencies across the country. I akso like the fact Lucas has made it quite plain that she's not afraid to have a pop at religious leaders.
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
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    Strongly think it's long overdue that we have a 'none of the above' option on the ballot paper.

    The choices on offer are appalling and most people seem to base their voting on choice on 'I'll go for them because I can't stand the idea of the other lot getting in' rather than voting for anything.

    Don't know how the system would work - if 'none of the above' won a landslide what then? - but the paucity of the choices put to the people over many years is what has led us on the long road from Tory sleaze via the expenses scandal through Brexit to the current cock up where people despise career politicians to such an extent that 40% of the electorate genuinely see Corbyn and his 6th form socialist worker manifesto as a viable option merely because the guy seems to at least be genuine.
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    Green could get in power if an environmental catastrophe was to happen. And anyone who is not afraid to take a shot at religious leaders is ok in my book.
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
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    Ludovico wrote: »
    Green could get in power if an environmental catastrophe was to happen. And anyone who is not afraid to take a shot at religious leaders is ok in my book.

    And what about Fukushima? The greens everywhere got a boost then but didn't make anything out of it. Even in Switzerland the Greens are now viewed as a joke, which is sad.
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    It would have to be Doomsday epic of course. But that is merely speculative.

    @TheWizardOfIce back at uni we had Re Open Nomination (RON) as a choice if unsatisfied with candidates. I used it sometimes when there was only one candidate.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    @JamesBondKenya there are Republicans who are not ultra religious too.

    The Conservative Party is generally that of small government, big business & low taxes and the Labour Party is generally that of the lower working class and the unions. The Lib Dems are harder to define. I think they came out of a 'laissez-faire' and non interventionist frame of mind (similar to US Libertarian I would think). Somewhere in the middle.

    Like in the US, the lines have been blurred of late. There is a 'compassionate' conservative voter in the UK on the right, just as there is a 'Third Way' Labour (similar to New Democrat Clintonism which was more business friendly) voter in the UK (in fact, Tony Blair won three consecutive elections with that approach) on the left. I would categorize Corbyn as more of the Bernie Sanders type (left wing populism).
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    May looks like a loser right now but in the end she has won the Tories a full term.
    And when had Labour last a PM??
    Doesn't look like the British want a Labour PM anytime soon.

    This is not Italy yet.

    Man, you're as naive as a Swiss army man.
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    And without the young votes, Labour would be nowhere, so it's the dreamers that have helped Corbyn gain seats. Still perfectly alright of course.

    The youth is the future. Your disrespect towards them is sickening.
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    If May lasts a year I'd be surprised. To paraphrase Julius Caesar in Rome: "she has the cunning of a sardine".

    @bondjames In the UK a republican belongs to a different category altogether. And it's unlikely he's conservative.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    @Ludovico, are you referring to a US Republican? There are several variations of them, and they shouldn't all be lumped together. The Tea Party and religious faction is but one element, and sadly the one that normally gets all the attention. There are several non religious but conservative (small government & generally non-inverventionist) types within the party.
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