Well here comes the UK General Election!

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  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    Matt007 wrote: »
    In fairness to May at least I thought she would be half decent at negotiating with eu.

    Using brexit as a self serving opportunity to have a general election she has gone way down in my book, and she wasn't high to start
    May is no Thatcher imho. Maggie was a principled politician of the old school. She'd go down for the cause.

    May is a standard tactician with political skills. Just savvier than amateurs like Cameron.
  • The one thing Corbyn definitely does not offer is meaningful opposition. If anything, his utter incompetence drowns out and does great damage to the decent ideas he does have.

    You cannot, in all sincerity, present before the nation, Corbyn as Prime Minister, John McDonnell as Chancellor, Diane Abbott as Home Secretary and Emily Thornberry as Foreign Secretary, and expect to be taken seriously. How do those poor Labour parliamentary candidates present that as a decent option on the doorstep. It's an impossible job.

    I get that a great many Labour supporters want to distance themselves from the Blair era, but there has to be a better alternative than the Momentum mob. Yes, this is no longer the party of Blair, but it is also no longer the party of Attlee, Wilson or Callaghan.

    Wake up, grow up, and get serious about governing Britain, or you are just going to let the Tories totally and utterly dominate.

    I'd like to see a Liberal revival too, but there is a long way to go on that front.



  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
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    bondjames wrote: »
    Matt007 wrote: »
    In fairness to May at least I thought she would be half decent at negotiating with eu.

    Using brexit as a self serving opportunity to have a general election she has gone way down in my book, and she wasn't high to start
    May is no Thatcher imho. Maggie was a principled politician of the old school. She'd go down for the cause.

    May is a standard tactician with political skills. Just savvier than amateurs like Cameron.

    Quite. May is effective I'll give her that but I found her slimy evasion to commit either way on Brexit until it had played out and she could see how the cards fell to be just the sort of standard cynical career politician technique we are all supposed to be voting against these days. Similarly her refusal to debate on telly. If you want to cash in on the own goal that is Corbyn then at least have the bottle to go toe to toe with him. Even spineless Cameron did that and Ed Milliband was leagues better than hapless Jez.

    The notion that she's the new Maggie is risible. She's more cut from the same self serving cloth as nauseating worms like Cameron and Osborne.
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    Diane abbot, gaff aside last week really does strike me as a waste of time.

    Mind you look at the Tory front bench: hunt, gove and boris. Two sociopaths and an idiot riding high on his old school British act.
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
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    Matt007 wrote: »
    Diane abbot, gaff aside last week really does strike me as a waste of time.

    Comment of the week. Lovely stuff.
  • Gove isn't on the front bench. May got rid of him, just as she did George Osbourne. I don't disagree on Hunt and Boris.

    Diane Abbott must be a sleeper agent from Conservative Central Office. There can be no other explanation (other than the fact that she slept with Corbyn back in the day, but it's almost dinner time and I don't want to dwell on that).
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    Ah I'm thinking back to his time as ed sec
  • DragonpolDragonpol Schloss Drache ~ Defender of the Continuation.
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    Matt007 wrote: »
    Ah I'm thinking back to his time as ed sec

    Gove was Lord Chancellor and Secretary of State for Justice after that. May and Gove didn't get on so it wasn't all that surprising that he wasn't appointed to her new Cabinet in July 2016. Maybe he'll get another chance after the General Election?
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    I cant remember an election where there was so much focus on the leaders and so little attention to the cabinets and policy. May has clearly decided to make herself the focus of their campaign and I think people are a little fed up with it plus its so over managed, it makes your skin crawl (anyone see her refuse to take a question from a journo)

    I voted for Corbyn as leader, not becuase he is a great politician but his leadership would lead to a genuine choice. The Labour policies at least provide a genuine alternative rather than a rehash of the Blarite middle ground.

    I think Cons will win by around 80 seats but at least the nation had the option to vote for a left wing alternative.

  • ShardlakeShardlake Leeds, West Yorkshire, England
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    It certainly is an alternative and one that I'd personally prefer.

    Unfortunately the media assassination of Corbyn will no doubt see the Tories return.

    May is making it all about Brexit because it's all she's got and you have to wonder why she mentioned about fox hunting surely an ill advised comment to make during an election?

    I'd love to see a moment that wipes the smiles of a number of people on this thread but it won't happen but I'm not convinced that it will be the landslide some are predicting.

    Corbyn isn't convincing people and that is the problem but I trust him more than May, she's like Margaret Thatcher's warmed up corpse but with none of the courage and personality and I can't stand Thatcher.
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    Corbyn isn't a leader I'm afraid and I say that as a person who respects and agrees with most of his policies.
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
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    Three pro Corbyn posts in a row!?!?!?!?

    Can someone please rename this 'The Socialist Worker, Return to the 70s and Diane Abbott for Home Secretary Thread.'
  • ShardlakeShardlake Leeds, West Yorkshire, England
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    Caring for people now there is a novelty, I'm sorry voting tory equates I'm all right Jack always and always will.

    Abbott is an embarrassment but no more that Elitist wanker Boris Johnson, might have fooled most he's harmless as Uncle Bulgaria but anyone with any intelligence can see this man doesn't give a shit about anyone but his own kind.

    You vote for the Tories then you deserve what you get.
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    The country will vote Tory and the country will get waht it deserves but within the country, there are those who voted Labour and want a more caring and sympathetic form of society.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe JK ROFLing
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    patb wrote: »
    The country will vote Tory and the country will get waht it deserves but within the country, there are those who voted Labour and want a more caring and sympathetic form of society.

    Everyone wants that, they just disagree on how to attain it, and in what ways it is right for the government to get involved.
  • Attacking Conservative voters is an interesting way to attempt to convert them to your cause. The idea that those who vote Labour are far more righteous and simply care more than their opponents can be cloying and a bit off-putting at times.

    As it stands, Labour are losing the centre ground, and portions of their party are fragmenting. Before you even get to policy differences you have to leap over the first hurdle of competence. Whether fair or not, Corbyn (and his front bench which is not exactly glistening with talent) is struggling with this. Blame the media if you must, but you cannot keep inflicting wounds on yourself and gifting your opponents open goals.
  • stagstag In the thick of it!
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    My greatest concern is that - should TM win the victory everyone is expecting - she will lead us off in a tangent with regard to Brexit. There has already been some subtle hints about 'trade offs' and 'compromise'. While of course there has to be both, I hope those same compromises don't in themselves compromise what we, the Brexiteers, voted for.
  • barryt007barryt007 Getting counselling by Sir Roger over Kara Milovy
    edited May 2017 Posts: 17,761
    patb wrote: »
    I cant remember an election where there was so much focus on the leaders and so little attention to the cabinets and policy. May has clearly decided to make herself the focus of their campaign and I think people are a little fed up with it plus its so over managed, it makes your skin crawl (anyone see her refuse to take a question from a journo)

    I voted for Corbyn as leader, not becuase he is a great politician but his leadership would lead to a genuine choice. The Labour policies at least provide a genuine alternative rather than a rehash of the Blarite middle ground.

    I think Cons will win by around 80 seats but at least the nation had the option to vote for a left wing alternative.

    1) Why the hell would you vote for Corbyn...seriously ?
    2)Never going to happen for a LONG time after warmonger Blair and 'lets sell all our gold on the cheap and i WASNT even elected' Brown.
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
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    Couldn't think of any better thread to put this and in the current desert of Bond news it's a moderately interesting little titbit about the 'most hated woman in Britain':

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/may/13/gina-miller-interview-article-50-brexit-tactical-voting

    If you can't be arsed to read it all just scroll down to the last couple of paragraphs.

    I always thought she was a half decent looking bird. Glad to see dear old Maurice agreed.

    The question is which film was she in do we think? Given she's 52 now it must be be pre the LTK hiatus I would say. 18 max (probably 17) during the making of OP would be a bit young and 30 for GE a bit old so it looks like AVTAK or one of the Daltons. I probably need to do some pause button research. Finally a reason to watch that crappy extras disc from the bluray with all the main titles back to back.

    Intriguingly she seems to suggest in the final paragraph that for some reason EON has asked her not to reveal which film. I can't really see why it matters to them.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe JK ROFLing
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    30 is too old? Don't have very long lifespans these Bond girls, do they?
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
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    Well come on for the opening sequence of a Bond film a girl should be be in perfect shape and youthful bloom. And given she had a kid at 24 I'm now leaning towards AVTAK or TLD.

    I've nothing against women over 30 but this is Bondian opening sequence chauvinistic pulchritude we're talking here!
  • DragonpolDragonpol Schloss Drache ~ Defender of the Continuation.
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    All the Remain luvvies are coming out of the woodwork now. Not going to change the outcome, so why bother really?
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
    edited May 2017 Posts: 13,005
    Dragonpol wrote: »
    All the Remain luvvies are coming out of the woodwork now. Not going to change the outcome, so why bother really?

    If you really think there's no way the UK (and/or EU) Politicians can change the outcome of the referendum vote from last year, you may be in for a surprise.
  • MayDayDiVicenzoMayDayDiVicenzo Here and there
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    The Conservative manifesto is, to put it mildly, piss-poor. I don't think Treeza with get that increased majority she was hungry for.
  • ShardlakeShardlake Leeds, West Yorkshire, England
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    Are the Tories trying to deliberately ruin their chances of re-election?

    Some very strange and somewhat damaging policies in their manifesto.
  • DragonpolDragonpol Schloss Drache ~ Defender of the Continuation.
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    Dragonpol wrote: »
    All the Remain luvvies are coming out of the woodwork now. Not going to change the outcome, so why bother really?

    If you really think there's no way the UK (and/or EU) Politicians can change the outcome of the referendum vote from last year, you may be in for a surprise.

    Well if the UK Supreme Court, the House of Commons and the House of Lords couldn't manage it I don't think the rest will be much of a challenge to Brexit!
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    Any thoughts on the implications of recent terrorist attacks on the election?
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    Mays speach was stronger then befoe but the phrase "enough is enough" will come back to haunt her. There will be further attacks, what will she say then? When you draw a "line in the sand", you need to back it up and she wont.

    It already looks like she is going to blame the internet (lazy and dumb) and longer sentences (genius for suicide bombers)
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    After this third terror attack, is Corbyn still viewed as an alternative?
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