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  • barryt007barryt007
    Posts: 19,339
    I love the way Bond hears how much the satellite is worth in the factory,and,when he is escaping,he pushes it over and you hear it break up...brilliant stuff.
  • BondAficionadoBondAficionado Former IMDBer
    edited May 2017 Posts: 1,884
    Am I the only person who really appreciates Brosnan's quips in this film?
    Notable examples:
    "Me too." *executes Dr. Kaufman point-blank*
    "You forgot the 1st rule of mass media... Give the people what they want!"
    "Really? Interesting role model."
    "I tuned out there for a moment."
    And the insurance damage discussion he has with Q is well played.
  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Per ora e per il momento che verrà
    Posts: 6,788
    BondAficionado wrote: »
    Am I the only person who really appreciates Brosnan's quips in this film?
    Notable examples:
    "Me too." *executes Dr. Kaufman point-blank*
    "You forgot the 1st rule of mass media... Give the people what they want!"
    "Really? Interesting role model."
    "I tuned out there for a moment."
    And the insurance damage discussion he has with Q is well played.

    I agree, they are great in this film before they went too far with that aspect in the next two films.

    My favourite: "They'll print anything these days."
  • BondAficionadoBondAficionado Former IMDBer
    Posts: 1,884
    GoldenGun wrote: »
    BondAficionado wrote: »
    Am I the only person who really appreciates Brosnan's quips in this film?
    Notable examples:
    "Me too." *executes Dr. Kaufman point-blank*
    "You forgot the 1st rule of mass media... Give the people what they want!"
    "Really? Interesting role model."
    "I tuned out there for a moment."
    And the insurance damage discussion he has with Q is well played.

    I agree, they are great in this film before they went too far with that aspect in the next two films.

    My favourite: "They'll print anything these days."
    Well I wouldn't complain much about TWINE's quips, but DAD yes.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
    Posts: 15,423
    TND is a stellar movie. I love it and I know it's a great film so I don't need to defend it. ;)
  • j_w_pepperj_w_pepper Born on the bayou. I can still hear my old hound dog barkin'.
    Posts: 8,696
    BondAficionado wrote: »
    "Me too." *executes Dr. Kaufman point-blank*
    Minor criticism: Is anyone else besides me somewhat irritated by the "Me, too"? It sounds rather American to me. Good old snobbish James Bond should have said, "So am I," and still have shot him point-blank. Can you imagine Roger Moore saying, "Me, too"?
  • BMW_with_missilesBMW_with_missiles All the usual refinements.
    Posts: 3,000
    j_w_pepper wrote: »
    BondAficionado wrote: »
    "Me too." *executes Dr. Kaufman point-blank*
    Minor criticism: Is anyone else besides me somewhat irritated by the "Me, too"? It sounds rather American to me. Good old snobbish James Bond should have said, "So am I," and still have shot him point-blank. Can you imagine Roger Moore saying, "Me, too"?

    I've had a bit of the Mandela Effect in the past where I would have sworn he said "So am I". Still, awesome scene.
  • barryt007barryt007
    Posts: 19,339
    It's a fantastic scene,one of my favourites in the entire series,Bond v Dr Kaufmann is scripted very well,and hats off to both actors in the scene.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited May 2017 Posts: 23,883
    I don't mind the "me too" all that much since it's a great scene, although TND is a film where the Americanisms are apparent. I noticed it immediately upon first viewing & it disappointed me. Station break, cell phone etc. etc.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
    Posts: 15,423
    For the most part, I also have a problem with the Americanisms of other cultures, and this comes from a proud American, but if I were given the option to choose between mobile phone and a cell phone, I'd go with the latter. It's just that "mobile" is too distracting when the word can be applied to vehicular machinery a lot more than, let's say, portable devices. "Cell phone" on the other hand, rhymes better with the device, since it's a cellular platform.
  • barryt007barryt007
    Posts: 19,339
    bondjames wrote: »
    I don't mind the "me too" all that much since it's a great scene, although TND is a film where the Americanisms are apparent. I noticed it immediately upon first viewing & it disappointed me. Station break, cell phone etc. etc.

    The all-time most annoying 'Americanism' for me is 'R' in TWINE with his popper and zipper speech...come on ffs...
  • LeonardPineLeonardPine The Bar on the Beach
    Posts: 3,985
    Really enjoyed this on the last watch. I used to prefer TWINE but I think this jumps ahead.

    It's a real classic Bond adventure without too much silliness. Great PTS, amazing score and very well paced.

    I love the way Bond detests Carver, even to wind him up at the Satellite launch about being 'lost at sea'. I think Pryce is a great villain. A dangerous and completely mad individual who almost starts WW3!
  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Per ora e per il momento che verrà
    Posts: 6,788
    LeonardPine wrote: »
    Really enjoyed this on the last watch. I used to prefer TWINE but I think this jumps ahead.

    It's a real classic Bond adventure without too much silliness. Great PTS, amazing score and very well paced.

    I love the way Bond detests Carver, even to wind him up at the Satellite launch about being 'lost at sea'. I think Pryce is a great villain. A dangerous and completely mad individual who almost starts WW3!

    For me too. I used to like TWINE a lot better, but my recent viewings changed the two around.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    Posts: 23,883
    You guys are just coming to your senses belatedly, that's all. TND craps all over TWINE from a great height.
  • LeonardPineLeonardPine The Bar on the Beach
    Posts: 3,985
    bondjames wrote: »
    You guys are just coming to your senses belatedly, that's all. TND craps all over TWINE from a great height.

    I think with Bond you have to revisit the films quite often to get some proper perspective.
  • QsAssistantQsAssistant All those moments lost in time... like tears in rain
    Posts: 1,812
    BondAficionado wrote: »
    GoldenGun wrote: »
    BondAficionado wrote: »
    Am I the only person who really appreciates Brosnan's quips in this film?
    Notable examples:
    "Me too." *executes Dr. Kaufman point-blank*
    "You forgot the 1st rule of mass media... Give the people what they want!"
    "Really? Interesting role model."
    "I tuned out there for a moment."
    And the insurance damage discussion he has with Q is well played.

    I agree, they are great in this film before they went too far with that aspect in the next two films.

    My favourite: "They'll print anything these days."
    Well I wouldn't complain much about TWINE's quips, but DAD yes.

    The only bad quips that came from DAD were from Jinx.

  • BAIN123BAIN123
    Posts: 11,189
    LeonardPine wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    You guys are just coming to your senses belatedly, that's all. TND craps all over TWINE from a great height.

    I think with Bond you have to revisit the films quite often to get some proper perspective.

    Action-wise I think TND largely beats TWINE but TWINE does try harder (albeit not always successfully) to tell a proper story.

    They've tended to move back and fourth in my rankings over the years, but currently I think TND has more punch to it.

  • QsAssistantQsAssistant All those moments lost in time... like tears in rain
    Posts: 1,812
    There was a time when TWINE was my favorite of the Brosnan era but it has since dropped to number 3. TND only just beats it. I will say that TWINE has my favorite title of the Brosnan era. TND would have been my favorite had they stuck with the original Tomorrow Never Lies.
  • RareJamesBondFanRareJamesBondFan Touch it. You can touch it if you want.
    Posts: 132
    We seem to have developed a certain attachment to each other
  • barryt007barryt007
    edited May 2018 Posts: 19,339
    Just watched this tonight and the score and events that happen are so Bond .
    It loses pace later as does any Bond film but it’s showing all that is missing now in just being an escapade romp that everyone loves and in just a 2 year gap proves it can carry on in the same vein in an actors second film only.
    Bond is not a soap opera.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
    Posts: 15,423
    barryt007 wrote: »
    Just watched this tonight and the score and events that happen are so Bond .
    It loses pace later as does any Bond film but it’s showing all that is missing now in just being an escapade romp that everyone loves and in just a 2 year gap proves it can carry on in the same vein in an actors second film only.
    Bond is not a soap opera.
    Aptly put, old boy. :D
  • barryt007barryt007
    Posts: 19,339
    ClarkDevlin wrote: »
    barryt007 wrote: »
    Just watched this tonight and the score and events that happen are so Bond .
    It loses pace later as does any Bond film but it’s showing all that is missing now in just being an escapade romp that everyone loves and in just a 2 year gap proves it can carry on in the same vein in an actors second film only.
    Bond is not a soap opera.
    Aptly put, old boy. :D

    A small rant but a fair one ,and a great example me old matey !
  • BMW_with_missilesBMW_with_missiles All the usual refinements.
    Posts: 3,000
    barryt007 wrote: »
    Just watched this tonight and the score and events that happen are so Bond .
    It loses pace later as does any Bond film but it’s showing all that is missing now in just being an escapade romp that everyone loves and in just a 2 year gap proves it can carry on in the same vein in an actors second film only.
    Bond is not a soap opera.

    I agree with every fiber of my being!
  • barryt007barryt007
    Posts: 19,339
    BMW_with_missiles wrote: »
    barryt007 wrote: »
    Just watched this tonight and the score and events that happen are so Bond .
    It loses pace later as does any Bond film but it’s showing all that is missing now in just being an escapade romp that everyone loves and in just a 2 year gap proves it can carry on in the same vein in an actors second film only.
    Bond is not a soap opera.

    I agree with every fiber of my being!

    Cheers !
    Even the final shootout has grown on me.
    The fact that Bond has to use his wits with the body of the guard he ruthlessly knifes to setting up the hand grenade trap while Carver tries to keep Bonds attention as a guard crawls towards him from above.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    Posts: 23,883
    barryt007 wrote: »
    The fact that Bond has to use his wits with the body of the guard he ruthlessly knifes to setting up the hand grenade trap while Carver tries to keep Bonds attention as a guard crawls towards him from above.
    I'm generally not a fan of this film for many reasons, but those two sequences are very good and what I'd expect of Bond.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
    Posts: 4,113
    I’m also a big fan of TND. I really enjoyed Raymond Benson’s novelization of it as well. It had some great ideas and material in it. I consider it canon with Fleming and Benson’s timelines. I think in some ways it was ahead of it’s time. Elliot Carver is a unique villain as his type of person is still in charge in more ways than one. My one thing I wish it did was try and get Sir Anthony Hopkins as Carver. The reason for this is that he probably could have toned down the camp on Carver a bit. Still Sir Jonathan Pryce was great. There are many people who are great and written well in the movie. The Bond-M relationship is great as they don’t let their personal lives go overboard with each other. Imagine how M would yell at Bond and Bond would truly go rogue if P & W were writing? Stamper and Dr Kaufman were great, underrated henchmen. To think the Dr could have gotten his own spinoff movie. Michelle Yeoh should have returned in DAD and teamed up with Jinx for her spinoff movie. All in all, I greatly enjoyed TND very much. It has the right amount of everything to keep a lot of people happy. Us Bond fans were spoiled with this one.
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