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Not sure this is entirely true. There are quite a few horrific, nasty torture scenes in the Bond books after CR. In LALD Bond gets dragged around a coral reef with a woman tied to the back of a speeding boat, in the hope they eventually get eaten by sharks. How sick is that? Fleming had a sadistic side to him, and it showed in nearly all the novels, not just CR.
In MR Bond gets severely battered about the face strapped to a chair.
In DAF Bond is nearly kicked to death by two pairs of football boots, being stomped on. I always found that fairly unsettling, and would almost certainly be too violent to show on screen, which is probably why it has never been adapted to film.
Bond in Dr. No's nasty assault course is one long, drawn out torture ordeal that Bond just about survives, which drags on for a few chapters.
Even the scene in GF with Bond strapped to the table and a saw working its way up to his groin, there is no clever gadgets at hand for Bond to escape. Instead he tries to kill himself. How dark is that?
It's only when we get to the final novels, and the Blofeld/TMWTGG saga, that the nasty torture elements eventually take a back seat.
Wow, I really need to get on reading the rest of the Fleming novels. Damn you, college!
But that's the thing. There is no big Blofeld-reveal. There is no big Blofeld reveal at all. And Bond isn't treating the villain as such either. Yes, he later mentions Blofeld in the Hildebrand safehouse. But it's not that 'suddenly' in "SPECTRE" Oberhauser/Blofeld is Bond's biggest arch nemesis. That's something only future Bond films can elaborate upon.
In my opinion it all makes perfectly sense. The name change from Oberhauser to Blofeld is merely a very personal thing for the man. As he said himself: He is disgusted by his father and his entire family bloodline. So very much like Elektra King in "TWINE", Oberhauser acts very similar. The only difference is, that he prefers using the names from his mother's bloodline. Hence Ernst Stavro Blofeld.
My guess now is the following. Blofeld obviously will return. But he goes underground. Some very good S.P.E.C.T.R.E.-lawyers manage to free Blofeld, "because he is too pivotal for the British government". Upon his release he goes underground. And very much like the first Blofeld from "FRWL" we now merely get to see the man in small cameo's. Paving the way to bigger non-Blofeld, though S.P.E.C.T.R.E.-affiliated villains (think Largo or Klebb).
That's interesting. However, considering we have Waltz playing Blofeld and (I'm assuming) the vast majority will want him to return then I can't see the character being relegated to cameos after SPECTRE. That would be a waste of the man's talents and would probably lead to the role being recast.
I'm not so sure about that. Although I loved his performance as Blofeld, Waltz hasn't received the same critical acclaim that Bardem got with his character. I don't think the public fiercefully want Waltz back as Blofeld. A cameo however, in which you clearly hear Waltz talking, but where you can't see him, makes people more interested in the character I think. Don't forget, we got introduced to Blofeld...the more or less real Blofeld...during the torture sequence. It's now time to let him hear about some dirty schemes, and plans.
Well if that is the case then I think we have seen the last of Waltz as the character already, which is a shame. He's the sort to take challenging jobs now. A cameo wouldn't satisfy the lust.
I would note however that critical acclaim has little bearing on Waltz' popularity with the public. I think if you asked people if they would like to see Waltz again, the answer would most likely be "yes".
I'm certainly with you on it, @TheWizardOfIce. It sounds to me like an idea rejected from DAD for being too silly!
Me too. It's like something out of Dallas ("the Dream Season/Year"), but certainly not James Bond!
Agree, the beautiful Morroco lair was heavily underused and i also would prefer the movie to have finished there, but im in no means as dissapointed as others with the london finale
The meteorite room scene was too short.
The London sequence was superfluous.
Still enjoyed the film overall though.
That whole section seems like a 'too obvious' reimagining of the DN scenes, and I think they should try to shy away from this sort of thing going forward.
Perhaps the rumoured poker scene would have been better (certainly something more meaty in that lair setting with more intriguing dialogue fleshing out motivations and past history between the two was called for).
I agree. Not so much because of the DN comparison, more because it would've fleshed out a narrative between Bond and Oberhauser which is otherwise light (rightly so imo) on detail.
I don't see this as the sort of cliche that bothers me. People have dinner, and Bond likes food. So, if anything I'd argue it's been too long since we saw a) a Bond villain mealtime conversation and b) enjoying a fine meal or some fine wine.
I don't find the homages to past Bond films creative at all. The White cat fell a bit flat for me. I don't like the way Mendes thinks it's fun to constantly reference the past rather than coming up with new iconic moments. He doesn't even play with or twist the tropes to make them new and fresh.
The warning signs were there with the DB5 in SF.
And they just couldn't resist piecing it back together because apparently you can't have a Bond film without the DB5 anymore.
I also really hope that the Bentley comes back as Bond's car of choice after the Craig era. :)
Spot on Sir - well compared to the other thread. ;)
I was so happy to see the f**king thing finally blown to buggery only for them to be unable to stop themselves from bringing it back to life. It seems like as soon as P&W run out of ideas (which is fairly often) they reach for this infernal thing like a crack pipe. And Jesus are they addicted.
I'll add gadget laden Omegas to that as well. I know we haven't seen it since 2002 (I think), but really, I'm done with it.