SPECTRE: What would you have done differently?

edited September 2016 in SPECTRE News & Spoilers Posts: 590
After seeing SPECTRE, what would you have done differently? Would you have changed most of the film? Only some of it? Or do you think it doesn't need changing at all?

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  • Posts: 582
    I would have made the growing relationship between Bond and Madeleine more credible. Peter Hunt achieved it more convincingly in OHMSS with a 3 minute montage scene, although having We Have All the Time in the World playing over it certainly didn't hurt the intention.
  • MalloryMallory Are you ready to get back to work?
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    I quite like the film but there are a few changes I would make:

    1) Have Bond give Q the Spectre ring for analysis after he's been injected with the smart blood. Q pulls of a copy of the data on it, but its highly encrypted so he has to work on it. Bond leaves with the ring.

    2) Give some dialogue to Mr Hinx in the Rome meeting. Or at least have the Spectre members refer to him as Mr Hinx.

    2) Cut out the Moneypenny interactions from the car chase. When Bond parachutes down Q calls him saying he's cracked part of the ring's data, Sciarra's next mission was the White King, Mr White, in Austria...

    3) In the Austria hotel room, Q has cracked the rest of the ring's data - same as in the movie.

    4) When Bond and Madeliene arrive in Tangier, have a short shot of Oberhauser and Hinx in the control room watching them on CCTV. Hinx then leaves (explains how Hinx knows they're on the train).

    5) Cut the whole Oberhauser/Bond brother angle. Not needed.

    6) Play up the 'Nine Eyes' angle a lot more. It's a bit wasted in the film. Bond needs to be undermined by the whole idea a little more.
  • Posts: 582
    Mallory wrote: »
    I quite like the film but there are a few changes I would make:

    1) Have Bond give Q the Spectre ring for analysis after he's been injected with the smart blood. Q pulls of a copy of the data on it, but its highly encrypted so he has to work on it. Bond leaves with the ring.

    2) Give some dialogue to Mr Hinx in the Rome meeting. Or at least have the Spectre members refer to him as Mr Hinx.

    2) Cut out the Moneypenny interactions from the car chase. When Bond parachutes down Q calls him saying he's cracked part of the ring's data, Sciarra's next mission was the White King, Mr White, in Austria...

    3) In the Austria hotel room, Q has cracked the rest of the ring's data - same as in the movie.

    4) When Bond and Madeliene arrive in Tangier, have a short shot of Oberhauser and Hinx in the control room watching them on CCTV. Hinx then leaves (explains how Hinx knows they're on the train).

    5) Cut the whole Oberhauser/Bond brother angle. Not needed.

    6) Play up the 'Nine Eyes' angle a lot more. It's a bit wasted in the film. Bond needs to be undermined by the whole idea a little more.

    I think these changes would all improve the film, except the MP dialogue in the car chase, thought that worked, but would have liked a bit more peril in it. I think the whole idea with the car was meant to play with expectations - you think we've gone back to gadet-laden easy escape for Bond territory - woops no ammunition etc.
  • Mi6LisbonBranchMi6LisbonBranch Lisbon, Portugal
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    tigers99 wrote: »
    I would have made the growing relationship between Bond and Madeleine more credible. Peter Hunt achieved it more convincingly in OHMSS with a 3 minute montage scene, although having We Have All the Time in the World playing over it certainly didn't hurt the intention.

    Hi guys i absolutely loved the movie but feel exactly the same as @tigers99. We could have had a bit less action (taking from the film either Morocco or the London finale) and used that screen time to build more the relationship of Bond with Madleine and maybe to take better use of the stunning locations (more, overlong, aerial shots with stunning music to fllow).
    Clearly 2 elements that made OHMSS my all time favorite.
  • Mi6LisbonBranchMi6LisbonBranch Lisbon, Portugal
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    Also, having read the script before i already had the impression that i wouldnt like (as i didnt) the "Topolino/Mickey Mouse" cue and the part of the Rome chase with the Fiat.
    Also agree with @Mallory when he says "Cut the whole Oberhauser/Bond brother angle. Not needed.".
    This was for me the most disappointing aspect of the film. Totally unecessary.
    Also, i felt that the climax of the torture scene was way to "over the top". After being drilled in both sides of the head Bond is more fit then me in my best days. To much..
    But in all, a great JB movie!
  • MalloryMallory Are you ready to get back to work?
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    I think there's enough of an emotional 'hook' if you like with Blofeld being responsible for all the CR/Qos/SF actions... overloading it further with the whole step brother angle somewhat overdid it.
  • RC7RC7
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    tigers99 wrote: »
    I would have made the growing relationship between Bond and Madeleine more credible. Peter Hunt achieved it more convincingly in OHMSS with a 3 minute montage scene, although having We Have All the Time in the World playing over it certainly didn't hurt the intention.

    Hi guys i absolutely loved the movie but feel exactly the same as @tigers99. We could have had a bit less action (taking from the film either Morocco or the London finale) and used that screen time to build more the relationship of Bond with Madleine and maybe to take better use of the stunning locations (more, overlong, aerial shots with stunning music to fllow).
    Clearly 2 elements that made OHMSS my all time favorite.

    I disagree on the Bond/Swann relationship. There's a lot of talk and comparison with Tracy, but that isn't the aim of the narrative in this film. The relationship is borne out of the intensity and immediacy of their situation. In that regard it is a credible relationship and is nice point of difference from Vesper and Tracy. Let's not forget, Bond is not in love with this girl, but through her he sees a 'choice'.
  • MalloryMallory Are you ready to get back to work?
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    And another:

    7) Have some of the Spectre members be present in the control room in Morocco. The female Spectre agent (Dr Vogel?) and some of the others, to reinforce the size of the organisation and its top agents.
  • SirHilaryBraySirHilaryBray Scotland
    edited November 2015 Posts: 2,138
    It would have made more sense to have had Oberhauser to have just been a stand alone villain and SPECTRE agent, and do a Blofeld reveal at the end with another actor, give the audience some kind of curve ball. Too much detail was given away in the trailers and interviews prior to the film.

    They should have only shown Waltz in the shadow in the Rome meeting saying "Welcome James". "The author of all your pain line" should have been left for the cinema.

    Lea Seydoux confirmed in an interview to the media before release she was White's daughter, again you could begin to piece the film idea in your head before seeing it.

    Bond on discovering Mr White was the Pale King should have been more emotional, after all he slipped the net and held the answers to Vesper's blackmail.

    Skyfall and Silva should not have been link'd in. Silva's motives were that of SPECTRE to hurt Bond rather than his own beef with Dame Judi M, was just silly and takes away from Skyfall.

    Dame Judi Cameo - Bond should have discovered the video after knocking the Dalton Churchill dog off the table, it smashing and a pen drive being enclosed. Rather than say "It was left for me in my inbox".

    Austria, Snow, Mountain, Bond - No Ski Scene?!

    It would have been better if M had left out that Sciarra "You must hunt him and kill him" The video should scramble like a fault. I think it would made a great twist if the Sciarra name M had come across through intelligence was really Lucia Sciarra and she was a SPECTRE key player and M mistook it as the husband sending Bond after pretty much the wrong guy.

    The exploding Desert Moroccan layer was a bit naff, we had seen this already in the rushed ending to QOS which was the worst part of the film IMO. Funny I feel the same about the LTK finally also set on the desert road. Blofeld's layer should have been more over elaborate and exotic/luxurious.

    I just felt everything was under used, I wanted to see more Belucci, More Waltz, More of the Aston Martin DB10/Car Chase, better transition from location to location. Like Bond and Madeline escape Morocco and steal a helicopter, they clearly can't fly Morocco to London as perceived on a single tank. Why not show them landing it somewhere and then cut to the two of the on a flight showing their relationship develop further.


    I know Sony wanted to do 2 films back to back I understand why Dan and Sam did not want to because it was too much and they did not want to sacrifice on quality but I feel it back fired, had they split the story down to two and paced them both properly added a little extra here and there they would been an amazing two films possibly the best ever, it does feel that it is too many ideas and rushed in places to get it all in to 2hr 20 Mins. A real shame.


  • RC7RC7
    Posts: 9,794
    Mallory wrote: »
    And another:

    7) Have some of the Spectre members be present in the control room in Morocco. The female Spectre agent (Dr Vogel?) and some of the others, to reinforce the size of the organisation and its top agents.

    I got the impression they wouldn't know where the control room was, hence why White was looking for him. It seemed like he kept the agents at arms length, in the way the FRWL/TB Blofeld did.
  • ShardlakeShardlake Leeds, West Yorkshire, England
    Posts: 3,215
    I had a second viewing on Saturday, I looked at the film more objectively rather than with fan boy wonder.

    I still really enjoyed it and will look forward to catching it on Blu ray next year but the whole Brother angle sits awkwardly with me. I also think the 3rd act falters, the film is fine up to the point they get off the train.

    I'm fine with tying the films together and making Quantum part of SPECTRE but I would have liked it done without using Bond's past.

    I'm not saying I don't enjoy it from there on but you can tell they changed it quite hurriedly, both desert base and old MI6 sequences needed more thought and Bond downing that ESB's helicopter with one shot is a bit silly.

    So yes I would have liked more thought with those last big set pieces and something that could have avoided the temporary guardian angle, I'm no script writer so I can't suggest what though. It's out there now so we can't go back on it, it will be how we go from here, if this era continues that is.
  • Posts: 1,475
    - Keep the PTS as it is (pure 007 porn)
    - Have Bond chill in Sölden/Tyrol before or after he finds/rescues Swann (include a ski-chase of some kind whilst your at it) to inject some local Alpine flavour.
    - Drop M & Mp's involvement from the climax.
    - Lose the MI6 building hideout bit at he end with all the photo's etc.

    That's it. These are the only real gripes I have with it - otherwise just a great, solid Bond yarn.
  • Lancaster007Lancaster007 Shrublands Health Clinic, England
    Posts: 1,862
    Just make it a stand alone movie without the Bond/Oberhuaser connection. Could have been a bloody great film (setting up SPECTRE) instead of just a very good one.
  • Posts: 582
    It would have made more sense to have had Oberhauser to have just been a stand alone villain and SPECTRE agent, and do a Blofeld reveal at the end with another actor, give the audience some kind of curve ball. Too much detail was given away in the trailers and interviews prior to the film.

    They should have only shown Waltz in the shadow in the Rome meeting saying "Welcome James". "The author of all your pain line" should have been left for the cinema.

    Lea Seydoux confirmed in an interview to the media before release she was White's daughter, again you could begin to piece the film idea in your head before seeing it.

    Bond on discovering Mr White was the Pale King should have been more emotional, after all he slipped the net and held the answers to Vesper's blackmail.

    Skyfall and Silva should not have been link'd in. Silva's motives were that of SPECTRE to hurt Bond rather than his own beef with Dame Judi M, was just silly and takes away from Skyfall.

    Dame Judi Cameo - Bond should have discovered the video after knocking the Dalton Churchill dog off the table, it smashing and a pen drive being enclosed. Rather than say "It was left for me in my inbox".

    Austria, Snow, Mountain, Bond - No Ski Scene?!

    It would have been better if M had left out that Sciarra "You must hunt him and kill him" The video should scramble like a fault. I think it would made a great twist if the Sciarra name M had come across through intelligence was really Lucia Sciarra and she was a SPECTRE key player and M mistook it as the husband sending Bond after pretty much the wrong guy.

    The exploding Desert Moroccan layer was a bit naff, we had seen this already in the rushed ending to QOS which was the worst part of the film IMO. Funny I feel the same about the LTK finally also set on the desert road. Blofeld's layer should have been more over elaborate and exotic/luxurious.

    I just felt everything was under used, I wanted to see more Belucci, More Waltz, More of the Aston Martin DB10/Car Chase, better transition from location to location. Like Bond and Madeline escape Morocco and steal a helicopter, they clearly can't fly Morocco to London as perceived on a single tank. Why not show them landing it somewhere and then cut to the two of the on a flight showing their relationship develop further.


    I know Sony wanted to do 2 films back to back I understand why Dan and Sam did not want to because it was too much and they did not want to sacrifice on quality but I feel it back fired, had they split the story down to two and paced them both properly added a little extra here and there they would been an amazing two films possibly the best ever, it does feel that it is too many ideas and rushed in places to get it all in to 2hr 20 Mins. A real shame.


    DC didn't want to ski, I heard him say in the interview that was in conjunction with the New York Times

  • Posts: 1,475
    tigers99 wrote: »
    It would have made more sense to have had Oberhauser to have just been a stand alone villain and SPECTRE agent, and do a Blofeld reveal at the end with another actor, give the audience some kind of curve ball. Too much detail was given away in the trailers and interviews prior to the film.

    They should have only shown Waltz in the shadow in the Rome meeting saying "Welcome James". "The author of all your pain line" should have been left for the cinema.

    Lea Seydoux confirmed in an interview to the media before release she was White's daughter, again you could begin to piece the film idea in your head before seeing it.

    Bond on discovering Mr White was the Pale King should have been more emotional, after all he slipped the net and held the answers to Vesper's blackmail.

    Skyfall and Silva should not have been link'd in. Silva's motives were that of SPECTRE to hurt Bond rather than his own beef with Dame Judi M, was just silly and takes away from Skyfall.

    Dame Judi Cameo - Bond should have discovered the video after knocking the Dalton Churchill dog off the table, it smashing and a pen drive being enclosed. Rather than say "It was left for me in my inbox".

    Austria, Snow, Mountain, Bond - No Ski Scene?!

    It would have been better if M had left out that Sciarra "You must hunt him and kill him" The video should scramble like a fault. I think it would made a great twist if the Sciarra name M had come across through intelligence was really Lucia Sciarra and she was a SPECTRE key player and M mistook it as the husband sending Bond after pretty much the wrong guy.

    The exploding Desert Moroccan layer was a bit naff, we had seen this already in the rushed ending to QOS which was the worst part of the film IMO. Funny I feel the same about the LTK finally also set on the desert road. Blofeld's layer should have been more over elaborate and exotic/luxurious.

    I just felt everything was under used, I wanted to see more Belucci, More Waltz, More of the Aston Martin DB10/Car Chase, better transition from location to location. Like Bond and Madeline escape Morocco and steal a helicopter, they clearly can't fly Morocco to London as perceived on a single tank. Why not show them landing it somewhere and then cut to the two of the on a flight showing their relationship develop further.


    I know Sony wanted to do 2 films back to back I understand why Dan and Sam did not want to because it was too much and they did not want to sacrifice on quality but I feel it back fired, had they split the story down to two and paced them both properly added a little extra here and there they would been an amazing two films possibly the best ever, it does feel that it is too many ideas and rushed in places to get it all in to 2hr 20 Mins. A real shame.


    DC didn't want to ski, I heard him say in the interview that was in conjunction with the New York Times

    You are missing the point, methinks. DAN himself doesn't need to ski to have the local flavour of the setting be used in an action sequence - he can be rolling down a ski-piste in his plane for all I care - but skiing hasn't been properly used for ages in the series... so setting it in Tyrol and not having any wintersports is a missed opportunity
  • SirHilaryBraySirHilaryBray Scotland
    Posts: 2,138
    AceHole wrote: »
    tigers99 wrote: »
    It would have made more sense to have had Oberhauser to have just been a stand alone villain and SPECTRE agent, and do a Blofeld reveal at the end with another actor, give the audience some kind of curve ball. Too much detail was given away in the trailers and interviews prior to the film.

    They should have only shown Waltz in the shadow in the Rome meeting saying "Welcome James". "The author of all your pain line" should have been left for the cinema.

    Lea Seydoux confirmed in an interview to the media before release she was White's daughter, again you could begin to piece the film idea in your head before seeing it.

    Bond on discovering Mr White was the Pale King should have been more emotional, after all he slipped the net and held the answers to Vesper's blackmail.

    Skyfall and Silva should not have been link'd in. Silva's motives were that of SPECTRE to hurt Bond rather than his own beef with Dame Judi M, was just silly and takes away from Skyfall.

    Dame Judi Cameo - Bond should have discovered the video after knocking the Dalton Churchill dog off the table, it smashing and a pen drive being enclosed. Rather than say "It was left for me in my inbox".

    Austria, Snow, Mountain, Bond - No Ski Scene?!

    It would have been better if M had left out that Sciarra "You must hunt him and kill him" The video should scramble like a fault. I think it would made a great twist if the Sciarra name M had come across through intelligence was really Lucia Sciarra and she was a SPECTRE key player and M mistook it as the husband sending Bond after pretty much the wrong guy.

    The exploding Desert Moroccan layer was a bit naff, we had seen this already in the rushed ending to QOS which was the worst part of the film IMO. Funny I feel the same about the LTK finally also set on the desert road. Blofeld's layer should have been more over elaborate and exotic/luxurious.

    I just felt everything was under used, I wanted to see more Belucci, More Waltz, More of the Aston Martin DB10/Car Chase, better transition from location to location. Like Bond and Madeline escape Morocco and steal a helicopter, they clearly can't fly Morocco to London as perceived on a single tank. Why not show them landing it somewhere and then cut to the two of the on a flight showing their relationship develop further.


    I know Sony wanted to do 2 films back to back I understand why Dan and Sam did not want to because it was too much and they did not want to sacrifice on quality but I feel it back fired, had they split the story down to two and paced them both properly added a little extra here and there they would been an amazing two films possibly the best ever, it does feel that it is too many ideas and rushed in places to get it all in to 2hr 20 Mins. A real shame.


    DC didn't want to ski, I heard him say in the interview that was in conjunction with the New York Times

    You are missing the point, methinks. DAN himself doesn't need to ski to have the local flavour of the setting be used in an action sequence - he can be rolling down a ski-piste in his plane for all I care - but skiing hasn't been properly used for ages in the series... so setting it in Tyrol and not having any wintersports is a missed opportunity

    Yeah, exactly the film is littered by homage, why not using a plane wing or tearing off a door using it a sledge pay TLD some homage.
  • Posts: 1,475
    AceHole wrote: »
    tigers99 wrote: »
    It would have made more sense to have had Oberhauser to have just been a stand alone villain and SPECTRE agent, and do a Blofeld reveal at the end with another actor, give the audience some kind of curve ball. Too much detail was given away in the trailers and interviews prior to the film.

    They should have only shown Waltz in the shadow in the Rome meeting saying "Welcome James". "The author of all your pain line" should have been left for the cinema.

    Lea Seydoux confirmed in an interview to the media before release she was White's daughter, again you could begin to piece the film idea in your head before seeing it.

    Bond on discovering Mr White was the Pale King should have been more emotional, after all he slipped the net and held the answers to Vesper's blackmail.

    Skyfall and Silva should not have been link'd in. Silva's motives were that of SPECTRE to hurt Bond rather than his own beef with Dame Judi M, was just silly and takes away from Skyfall.

    Dame Judi Cameo - Bond should have discovered the video after knocking the Dalton Churchill dog off the table, it smashing and a pen drive being enclosed. Rather than say "It was left for me in my inbox".

    Austria, Snow, Mountain, Bond - No Ski Scene?!

    It would have been better if M had left out that Sciarra "You must hunt him and kill him" The video should scramble like a fault. I think it would made a great twist if the Sciarra name M had come across through intelligence was really Lucia Sciarra and she was a SPECTRE key player and M mistook it as the husband sending Bond after pretty much the wrong guy.

    The exploding Desert Moroccan layer was a bit naff, we had seen this already in the rushed ending to QOS which was the worst part of the film IMO. Funny I feel the same about the LTK finally also set on the desert road. Blofeld's layer should have been more over elaborate and exotic/luxurious.

    I just felt everything was under used, I wanted to see more Belucci, More Waltz, More of the Aston Martin DB10/Car Chase, better transition from location to location. Like Bond and Madeline escape Morocco and steal a helicopter, they clearly can't fly Morocco to London as perceived on a single tank. Why not show them landing it somewhere and then cut to the two of the on a flight showing their relationship develop further.


    I know Sony wanted to do 2 films back to back I understand why Dan and Sam did not want to because it was too much and they did not want to sacrifice on quality but I feel it back fired, had they split the story down to two and paced them both properly added a little extra here and there they would been an amazing two films possibly the best ever, it does feel that it is too many ideas and rushed in places to get it all in to 2hr 20 Mins. A real shame.


    DC didn't want to ski, I heard him say in the interview that was in conjunction with the New York Times

    You are missing the point, methinks. DAN himself doesn't need to ski to have the local flavour of the setting be used in an action sequence - he can be rolling down a ski-piste in his plane for all I care - but skiing hasn't been properly used for ages in the series... so setting it in Tyrol and not having any wintersports is a missed opportunity

    Yeah, exactly the film is littered by homage, why not using a plane wing or tearing off a door using it a sledge pay TLD some homage.


    Well I'm relieved they didn't do that :(
    Was thinking more along the lines of the chase getting caught up amidst a busy ski-piste or smth. Perhaps use a 'pistenbully' (the trucks they use for preparing the pistes)
  • edited November 2015 Posts: 582
    AceHole wrote: »
    tigers99 wrote: »
    It would have made more sense to have had Oberhauser to have just been a stand alone villain and SPECTRE agent, and do a Blofeld reveal at the end with another actor, give the audience some kind of curve ball. Too much detail was given away in the trailers and interviews prior to the film.

    They should have only shown Waltz in the shadow in the Rome meeting saying "Welcome James". "The author of all your pain line" should have been left for the cinema.

    Lea Seydoux confirmed in an interview to the media before release she was White's daughter, again you could begin to piece the film idea in your head before seeing it.

    Bond on discovering Mr White was the Pale King should have been more emotional, after all he slipped the net and held the answers to Vesper's blackmail.

    Skyfall and Silva should not have been link'd in. Silva's motives were that of SPECTRE to hurt Bond rather than his own beef with Dame Judi M, was just silly and takes away from Skyfall.

    Dame Judi Cameo - Bond should have discovered the video after knocking the Dalton Churchill dog off the table, it smashing and a pen drive being enclosed. Rather than say "It was left for me in my inbox".

    Austria, Snow, Mountain, Bond - No Ski Scene?!

    It would have been better if M had left out that Sciarra "You must hunt him and kill him" The video should scramble like a fault. I think it would made a great twist if the Sciarra name M had come across through intelligence was really Lucia Sciarra and she was a SPECTRE key player and M mistook it as the husband sending Bond after pretty much the wrong guy.

    The exploding Desert Moroccan layer was a bit naff, we had seen this already in the rushed ending to QOS which was the worst part of the film IMO. Funny I feel the same about the LTK finally also set on the desert road. Blofeld's layer should have been more over elaborate and exotic/luxurious.

    I just felt everything was under used, I wanted to see more Belucci, More Waltz, More of the Aston Martin DB10/Car Chase, better transition from location to location. Like Bond and Madeline escape Morocco and steal a helicopter, they clearly can't fly Morocco to London as perceived on a single tank. Why not show them landing it somewhere and then cut to the two of the on a flight showing their relationship develop further.


    I know Sony wanted to do 2 films back to back I understand why Dan and Sam did not want to because it was too much and they did not want to sacrifice on quality but I feel it back fired, had they split the story down to two and paced them both properly added a little extra here and there they would been an amazing two films possibly the best ever, it does feel that it is too many ideas and rushed in places to get it all in to 2hr 20 Mins. A real shame.


    DC didn't want to ski, I heard him say in the interview that was in conjunction with the New York Times

    You are missing the point, methinks. DAN himself doesn't need to ski to have the local flavour of the setting be used in an action sequence - he can be rolling down a ski-piste in his plane for all I care - but skiing hasn't been properly used for ages in the series... so setting it in Tyrol and not having any wintersports is a missed opportunity

    What point have I missed, sorry not sure I get you. I wasn't say that he should or shouldn't, just that he said he didn't want there to be skiing.
  • Posts: 1,475
    tigers99 wrote: »
    AceHole wrote: »
    tigers99 wrote: »
    It would have made more sense to have had Oberhauser to have just been a stand alone villain and SPECTRE agent, and do a Blofeld reveal at the end with another actor, give the audience some kind of curve ball. Too much detail was given away in the trailers and interviews prior to the film.

    They should have only shown Waltz in the shadow in the Rome meeting saying "Welcome James". "The author of all your pain line" should have been left for the cinema.

    Lea Seydoux confirmed in an interview to the media before release she was White's daughter, again you could begin to piece the film idea in your head before seeing it.

    Bond on discovering Mr White was the Pale King should have been more emotional, after all he slipped the net and held the answers to Vesper's blackmail.

    Skyfall and Silva should not have been link'd in. Silva's motives were that of SPECTRE to hurt Bond rather than his own beef with Dame Judi M, was just silly and takes away from Skyfall.

    Dame Judi Cameo - Bond should have discovered the video after knocking the Dalton Churchill dog off the table, it smashing and a pen drive being enclosed. Rather than say "It was left for me in my inbox".

    Austria, Snow, Mountain, Bond - No Ski Scene?!

    It would have been better if M had left out that Sciarra "You must hunt him and kill him" The video should scramble like a fault. I think it would made a great twist if the Sciarra name M had come across through intelligence was really Lucia Sciarra and she was a SPECTRE key player and M mistook it as the husband sending Bond after pretty much the wrong guy.

    The exploding Desert Moroccan layer was a bit naff, we had seen this already in the rushed ending to QOS which was the worst part of the film IMO. Funny I feel the same about the LTK finally also set on the desert road. Blofeld's layer should have been more over elaborate and exotic/luxurious.

    I just felt everything was under used, I wanted to see more Belucci, More Waltz, More of the Aston Martin DB10/Car Chase, better transition from location to location. Like Bond and Madeline escape Morocco and steal a helicopter, they clearly can't fly Morocco to London as perceived on a single tank. Why not show them landing it somewhere and then cut to the two of the on a flight showing their relationship develop further.


    I know Sony wanted to do 2 films back to back I understand why Dan and Sam did not want to because it was too much and they did not want to sacrifice on quality but I feel it back fired, had they split the story down to two and paced them both properly added a little extra here and there they would been an amazing two films possibly the best ever, it does feel that it is too many ideas and rushed in places to get it all in to 2hr 20 Mins. A real shame.


    DC didn't want to ski, I heard him say in the interview that was in conjunction with the New York Times

    You are missing the point, methinks. DAN himself doesn't need to ski to have the local flavour of the setting be used in an action sequence - he can be rolling down a ski-piste in his plane for all I care - but skiing hasn't been properly used for ages in the series... so setting it in Tyrol and not having any wintersports is a missed opportunity

    What point have I missed, sorry not sure I get you. I wasn't say that he should or shouldn't, just that he said he didn't want there to be skiing.

    Ah, he didn't want skiing, defacto, not simply that he didn't want to ski, then...? I didn't read the interview you mentioned, I was basing my comments on your extrapolation of his objections :)
  • Last_Rat_StandingLast_Rat_Standing South Florida
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    After the train fight I would have changed the cheesy scene with Bond and Madeline kissing. I would have showed Bond maybe in his train room having a drink such as in CR after the O'Banno fight, then maybe have Madeline come in his room afterwards and begin the love scene
  • 1. Hire a different artist to produce a better, more apropos theme song.

    2. Give Bautista's character a line of introduction during the SPECTRE meeting. Blofeld: "Ah, Mr. Hinx... You have something to contribute to the proceedings?"

    3. At least a couple of cuts and bruises on Craig after the train fight.

    4. Instead of touching off the massive explosion at SPECTRE HQ with a single bullet, I'd have Bond kill a guard, then snatch a grenade off of the dead man. 007 throws it, causing a chain reaction of explosions.
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    1. Ditch the 'Ms supper' scene.
    2. Skiing
    3. Make the climax On top of Big Ben or
    Make the climax a terrorist attack rather than demolition of a derelict building
    4. Polish the dialogue in tanners boat scene and Monica belluci's villa
    5. Give blofeld more screen time


    6. Please please please have bond name drop the name of the drink he is drinking. It's half the fun of the early ones. His snobbery.
  • Posts: 582
    Matt007 wrote: »
    1. Ditch the 'Ms supper' scene.
    2. Skiing
    3. Make the climax On top of Big Ben or
    Make the climax a terrorist attack rather than demolition of a derelict building
    4. Polish the dialogue in tanners boat scene and Monica belluci's villa
    5. Give blofeld more screen time


    6. Please please please have bond name drop the name of the drink he is drinking. It's half the fun of the early ones. His snobbery.

    A climax on top of Big Ben, that feels very Hitchcock :)
  • RC7RC7
    Posts: 9,794
    tigers99 wrote: »
    Matt007 wrote: »
    1. Ditch the 'Ms supper' scene.
    2. Skiing
    3. Make the climax On top of Big Ben or
    Make the climax a terrorist attack rather than demolition of a derelict building
    4. Polish the dialogue in tanners boat scene and Monica belluci's villa
    5. Give blofeld more screen time


    6. Please please please have bond name drop the name of the drink he is drinking. It's half the fun of the early ones. His snobbery.

    A climax on top of Big Ben, that feels very Hitchcock :)

    It's a really cool idea. Quite how and why you'd end up there I'm not sure, but visually it's very neat.
  • mcdonbbmcdonbb deep in the Heart of Texas
    edited November 2015 Posts: 4,119
    I would forget the brother angle and just let Blofeld be Blofeld ..that's what we wanted anyway.

    You can still deal with Bond's parents and past without that.

    And not even worry about shoe horning in a love story.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited November 2015 Posts: 23,883
    As I said in another thread, I would have tried to forge more of a connection with Swann. The train bit was nice, but at L'Americaine, they could have had her sleep talking or having a nightmare, revealing more about her fears. A tender moment there (like the shower scene in CR) between her and Bond might have helped a bit.

    Additionally, I think Bond should have been hurt more during the torture (which could have been a series of them over a few days in order to get something out of him). Swann could have escaped her room and saved him....thereby increasing our perception of her usefulness and resourcefulness.

    I would not have had the damsel in distress bit at the end. That's just outdated these days.

    I would have ended the film in Mexico after a more drawn out section there, with a nice dinner scene (with some witty dialogue and psych babble) to allow us to learn more about Blofeld's motivations, & revealing inner demons, memories and motivations. The food should be 'interesting' (a'la TMWTGG mushrooms & OP sheep eye)

    I would have dropped 'C' and the entire Nine Eyes, and all the MI6 gang shenanigans and given Blofeld a more standardized terrorist plot. That would have given us more time to concentrate on the more 'interesting' characters of Blofeld & Swann.

    I would have had more of a buildup to the Lucia seduction and given her more airplay (please!).

    I would have made the car chase more intense. What a waste of a scene imho.

    Finally, of course, as has been mentioned, no stupid family connection between Blofeld and Bond. Just keep him as Blofeld and drop Oberhauser completely.
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
    Posts: 9,029
    Spectre is pitch perfect.
  • edited November 2015 Posts: 2
    I liked how "M", "Q", Moneypenny and Tanner were involved at the end. But I would like to have seen a bunch of Bond's double O colleagues involved.
    At some dramatic moment one or two or a few double O's could have shown up. I think it would have made sense because a lot of the double O agents would be of the same mettle as Bond and would want to be involved.

    "James why didn't you invite us to the party?" double O whomever.
    "I new I didn't have to." Bond.
    "Right let's get on with it 007." another double O.

    Maybe even just some dialogue from "M" or Tanner. "009" is doing this for us" "003 is standing by for orders". and so forth.

    I understand why the filmmakers did the stepbrother Oberhauser plotline, but I really didn't care for it.
    I think the filmmakers had a lot of ideas for this plotline that simply did not make it into "SPECTRE" that will be explored in Bond 25. I am so glad SPECTRE has returned however. Bond needs his Moriarty.
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    The film needed a more lively story........the plot that Spectre was going to take over the world through surveillance, is obviously topical to our current events in our world today in reference to 'Snowden' and so forth.........but as film entertainment material it is dull!
  • MurdockMurdock Mr. 2000
    Posts: 15,671
    Replace Thomas Newman with a better composer.
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