No Time To Die: Production Diary

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  • Posts: 386
    Hyped for B25. I hope the producers are looking for the romanticism and lifestyle porn of CR combined with the momentum of QoS.

    Anything to drown the ponderous Mendes double.

    The sooner we abandon all notions of Mendes being good for Bond in any other way than dollars, the better.
  • CASINOROYALECASINOROYALE Somewhere hot
    Posts: 1,003
    With all the one word titles wouldn't be surprised if they just called it "James Bond" or "007"
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
    Posts: 13,032
    Like Jason Bourne. John Rambo. Jack Ryan. Another J.

    But no, I don't think they'll go for that. More likely Solstys. Or Sceptre. Or some other S-word.
  • Posts: 15,818
    Like Jason Bourne. John Rambo. Jack Ryan. Another J.

    But no, I don't think they'll go for that. More likely Solstys. Or Sceptre. Or some other S-word.

    I'd really hate that considering how trendy it is now to have simplistic titles: Star Trek, Sherlock Holmes, Jason Bounre, etc Yawn.
  • PropertyOfALadyPropertyOfALady Colders Federation CEO
    Posts: 3,675
    Who has been stunt coordinator for CR through SP?
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
    Posts: 10,588
    Who has been stunt coordinator for CR through SP?
    Gary Powell.
  • SirHilaryBraySirHilaryBray Scotland
    Posts: 2,138
    Craig's a fan of Shatterhand. Was a Radio One interview while promoting Spectre. They went through all levels the Fleming shorts and chapters not yet used and his reaction to it was "Now that's not bad, I like that one".
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    Craig's a fan of Shatterhand. Was a Radio One interview while promoting Spectre. They went through all levels the Fleming shorts and chapters not yet used and his reaction to it was "Now that's not bad, I like that one".

    Yeah, but Craig also is on record for saying that making Blofeld Bonds foster brother was a too good idea to not to make it. So I'd rather would prefer if they didn't ask him about his opinions at all.
    Instead I would suggest the method of Howard Hawks when Bogart refrained from playing a scene in the big sleep the way Hawks imagined. He told Bogart to go in front of the camera and do exactly what he was told otherwise he would beat the shit out of him. And so Bogart did and over decades of watching no one has ever found something to complain about the movie.
    After all they are actors not writers so there opinions should be treated second or third rate priority.
  • SirHilaryBraySirHilaryBray Scotland
    Posts: 2,138
    Craig's a fan of Shatterhand. Was a Radio One interview while promoting Spectre. They went through all levels the Fleming shorts and chapters not yet used and his reaction to it was "Now that's not bad, I like that one".

    Yeah, but Craig also is on record for saying that making Blofeld Bonds foster brother was a too good idea to not to make it. So I'd rather would prefer if they didn't ask him about his opinions at all.
    Instead I would suggest the method of Howard Hawks when Bogart refrained from playing a scene in the big sleep the way Hawks imagined. He told Bogart to go in front of the camera and do exactly what he was told otherwise he would beat the shit out of him. And so Bogart did and over decades of watching no one has ever found something to complain about the movie.
    After all they are actors not writers so there opinions should be treated second or third rate priority.

    Craig's a Producer as well now though.
  • Posts: 1,162
    Craig's a fan of Shatterhand. Was a Radio One interview while promoting Spectre. They went through all levels the Fleming shorts and chapters not yet used and his reaction to it was "Now that's not bad, I like that one".

    Yeah, but Craig also is on record for saying that making Blofeld Bonds foster brother was a too good idea to not to make it. So I'd rather would prefer if they didn't ask him about his opinions at all.
    Instead I would suggest the method of Howard Hawks when Bogart refrained from playing a scene in the big sleep the way Hawks imagined. He told Bogart to go in front of the camera and do exactly what he was told otherwise he would beat the shit out of him. And so Bogart did and over decades of watching no one has ever found something to complain about the movie.
    After all they are actors not writers so there opinions should be treated second or third rate priority.

    Craig's a Producer as well now though.

    And we see how greatly the serious has evolved.
  • SirHilaryBraySirHilaryBray Scotland
    edited October 2017 Posts: 2,138
    Craig's a fan of Shatterhand. Was a Radio One interview while promoting Spectre. They went through all levels the Fleming shorts and chapters not yet used and his reaction to it was "Now that's not bad, I like that one".

    Yeah, but Craig also is on record for saying that making Blofeld Bonds foster brother was a too good idea to not to make it. So I'd rather would prefer if they didn't ask him about his opinions at all.
    Instead I would suggest the method of Howard Hawks when Bogart refrained from playing a scene in the big sleep the way Hawks imagined. He told Bogart to go in front of the camera and do exactly what he was told otherwise he would beat the shit out of him. And so Bogart did and over decades of watching no one has ever found something to complain about the movie.
    After all they are actors not writers so there opinions should be treated second or third rate priority.

    Craig's a Producer as well now though.

    And we see how greatly the serious has evolved.

    Globally Bond has never been so popular or made so much. Measure of success is at the cash register. May not sit well with guys like yourself hoping the clocks rolled back.

    Including inflation 2 in the top for 4 and 3 in the top 8.

    Highest Grossing Bond Films
    Position Film Year Actor Gross (with inflation)
    1. Skyfall 2012 Daniel Craig $1,108,561,008
    2. Thunderball 1965 Sean Connery $1,014,941,117
    3. Goldfinger 1964 Sean Connery $912,257,512
    4. Spectre 2015 Daniel Craig $880,669,186
    5. Live and Let Die 1973 Roger Moore $825,110,761
    6. You Only Live Twice 1967 Sean Connery $756,544,419
    7. The Spy Who Loved Me 1977 Roger Moore $692,713,752
    8. Casino Royale 2006 Daniel Craig $669,789,482
    9. Moonraker 1979 Roger Moore $655,872,400
    10. Diamonds Are Forever 1971 Sean Connery $648,514,469
    11. Quantum of Solace 2008 Daniel Craig $622,246,378
    12. From Russia with Love 1963 Sean Connery $576,277,964
    13. Die Another Day 2002 Pierce Brosnan $543,639,638
    14. Goldeneye 1995 Pierce Brosnan $529,548,711
    15. On Her Majesty's Secret Service 1969 George Lazenby $505,899,782
    16. The World is Not Enough 1999 Pierce Brosnan $491,617,153
    17. For Your Eyes Only 1981 Roger Moore $486,468,881
    18. Tomorrow Never Dies 1997 Pierce Brosnan $478,946,402
    19. The Man with the Golden Gun 1974 Roger Moore $448,249,281
    20. Dr. No 1962 Sean Connery $440,759,072
    21. Octopussy 1983 Roger Moore $426,244,352
    22. The Living Daylights 1987 Timothy Dalton $381,088,866
    23. A View to a Kill 1985 Roger Moore $321,172,633
    24. Licence to Kill 1989 Timothy Dalton $285,157,191


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    That list just shows how Dalton was never accepted by the film-going public.
  • SirHilaryBraySirHilaryBray Scotland
    Posts: 2,138
    barryt007 wrote: »
    That list just shows how Dalton was never accepted by the film-going public.

    Ahead of his time.
  • SeanCraigSeanCraig Germany
    edited October 2017 Posts: 732
    Haven't looked at an inflation-corrected list for a while and definitely TD's two outings as 007 did not deserve to be the bottom ones ... but the moviegoers have spoken and (especially in the USA) did not respond to Dalton that well (I thought he was a very good choice, especially in TLD).

    Looking at attendance in Germany, it looks like this (based on my information):

    DN: 3+ Million (no exact data available)
    FRWL: 3+ Million (no exact data available)
    GF: 5+ Million (no exact data available)
    TB: 8+ Million (no exact data available)
    YOLT: 5+ Million (no exact data available)

    OHMSS: 3+ Million (no exact data available)
    DAF: 5+ Million (no exact data available)

    LALD: 5+ Million (no exact data available)
    TMWTGG: 3+ Million (no exact data available)
    TSWLM: 6+ Million (no exact data available)
    MR: 5+ Million (no exact data available)
    FYEO: 4.820.641
    OP: 4.324.692
    AVTAK: 3.373.064

    TLD: 3.106.367
    LTK: 2.427.732

    GE: 5.497.597
    TND: 4.467.892
    TWINE: 5.070.892
    DAD: 4.940.201

    CR: 5.634849
    QoS: 4.744.130
    SF: 7.779.654
    SP: 7.089.019

    At here in Germany nobody has been as popular in the role as Sean Connery or Daniel Craig ... and also here Dalton wasn't able to pull people into the cinema. Does anybody know in which country Dalton was received best based on sales -or- attendance?
  • Posts: 19,339
    barryt007 wrote: »
    That list just shows how Dalton was never accepted by the film-going public.

    Ahead of his time.

    Yep...and bad timing ,straight after Moore.
  • Posts: 19,339
    SeanCraig wrote: »
    Haven't looked at an inflation-corrected list for a while and definitely TD's two outings as 007 did not deserve to be the bottom ones ... but the moviegoers have spoken and (especially in the USA) did not respond to Dalton that well (I thought he was a very good choice, especially in TLD).

    Looking at attendance in Germany, it looks like this (based on my information):

    DN: 3+ Million (no exact data available)
    FRWL: 3+ Million (no exact data available)
    GF: 5+ Million (no exact data available)
    TB: 8+ Million (no exact data available)
    YOLT: 5+ Million (no exact data available)

    OHMSS: 3+ Million (no exact data available)
    DAF: 5+ Million (no exact data available)

    LALD: 5+ Million (no exact data available)
    TMWTGG: 3+ Million (no exact data available)
    TSWLM: 6+ Million (no exact data available)
    MR: 5+ Million (no exact data available)
    FYEO: 4.820.641
    OP: 4.324.692
    AVTAK: 3.373.064

    TLD: 3.106.367
    LTK: 2.427.732

    GE: 5.497.597
    TND: 4.467.892
    TWINE: 5.070.892
    DAD: 4.940.201

    CR: 5.634849
    QoS: 4.744.130
    SF: 7.779.654
    SP: 7.089.019

    At here in Germany nobody has been as popular in the role as Sean Connery or Daniel Craig ... and also here Dalton wasn't able to pull people into the cinema. Does anybody know in which country Dalton was received best based on sales -or- attendance?

    I don't know off hand,but I would guess it would be here in the UK.

  • edited October 2017 Posts: 11,425
    Someone on here the other day was talking about how there were queues around the block in central London to see TLD. It was pretty successful. I think TLD did very decent BO globally as well, even in the US.
  • edited October 2017 Posts: 1,162
    Craig's a fan of Shatterhand. Was a Radio One interview while promoting Spectre. They went through all levels the Fleming shorts and chapters not yet used and his reaction to it was "Now that's not bad, I like that one".

    Yeah, but Craig also is on record for saying that making Blofeld Bonds foster brother was a too good idea to not to make it. So I'd rather would prefer if they didn't ask him about his opinions at all.
    Instead I would suggest the method of Howard Hawks when Bogart refrained from playing a scene in the big sleep the way Hawks imagined. He told Bogart to go in front of the camera and do exactly what he was told otherwise he would beat the shit out of him. And so Bogart did and over decades of watching no one has ever found something to complain about the movie.
    After all they are actors not writers so there opinions should be treated second or third rate priority.

    Craig's a Producer as well now though.

    And we see how greatly the serious has evolved.

    Globally Bond has never been so popular or made so much. Measure of success is at the cash register. May not sit well with guys like yourself hoping the clocks rolled back.

    Including inflation 2 in the top for 4 and 3 in the top 8.

    Highest Grossing Bond Films
    Position Film Year Actor Gross (with inflation)
    1. Skyfall 2012 Daniel Craig $1,108,561,008
    2. Thunderball 1965 Sean Connery $1,014,941,117
    3. Goldfinger 1964 Sean Connery $912,257,512
    4. Spectre 2015 Daniel Craig $880,669,186
    5. Live and Let Die 1973 Roger Moore $825,110,761
    6. You Only Live Twice 1967 Sean Connery $756,544,419
    7. The Spy Who Loved Me 1977 Roger Moore $692,713,752
    8. Casino Royale 2006 Daniel Craig $669,789,482
    9. Moonraker 1979 Roger Moore $655,872,400
    10. Diamonds Are Forever 1971 Sean Connery $648,514,469
    11. Quantum of Solace 2008 Daniel Craig $622,246,378
    12. From Russia with Love 1963 Sean Connery $576,277,964
    13. Die Another Day 2002 Pierce Brosnan $543,639,638
    14. Goldeneye 1995 Pierce Brosnan $529,548,711
    15. On Her Majesty's Secret Service 1969 George Lazenby $505,899,782
    16. The World is Not Enough 1999 Pierce Brosnan $491,617,153
    17. For Your Eyes Only 1981 Roger Moore $486,468,881
    18. Tomorrow Never Dies 1997 Pierce Brosnan $478,946,402
    19. The Man with the Golden Gun 1974 Roger Moore $448,249,281
    20. Dr. No 1962 Sean Connery $440,759,072
    21. Octopussy 1983 Roger Moore $426,244,352
    22. The Living Daylights 1987 Timothy Dalton $381,088,866
    23. A View to a Kill 1985 Roger Moore $321,172,633
    24. Licence to Kill 1989 Timothy Dalton $285,157,191


    As much as numbers mean to you I hope you work in a bank . I was, of course, referring to quality. And no, just looking good doesn't make the cut. This is still the privilege of models.
  • Major_BoothroydMajor_Boothroyd Republic of Isthmus
    edited October 2017 Posts: 2,721
    I never realised all the Brosnan's would be below all the Craig's in inflation adjusted gross. I always thought DAD in particular was a smash and would at least be beating CR if not QoS. I'm actually surprised the Brosnan's are all in the lower half.

    Despite my love for his portrayal and the fact TLD made 60 million more than AVTAK - Dalton was just never loved by the public - I remember the excitement of TLD and a new Bond after what seemed so long with Roger (which is why I understand some people's Craig fatigue a little. Even though I'm happy to have him back.)
  • edited October 2017 Posts: 11,425
    I'm not Craig's biggest fan, but give me any of his four films over any of Brosnan's four any day of the week. I'd even rather sit through SF.

    The Craig films are simply better on pretty much every level.

    This is my main reason for being happy for Craig to do another one (or two).

    I know how bad things have been in the past and there is no guarantee a new actor will be an improvement on what we've got.

    So unless Dan utterly screws up a performance (never going to happen) he can stay as long as he wants as far as I'm concerned.
  • Posts: 1,162
    @BondJasonBond006 sometime ago has made a quite compelling point that if you compare only tickets sold only SF was more successful than Brosnan's outings.
  • SeanCraigSeanCraig Germany
    edited October 2017 Posts: 732
    As much as numbers mean to you I hope you work in a bank . I was, of course, referring to quality. And no, just looking good doesn't make the cut. This is still the privilege of models.
    Please see my previous comment, too: I do NOT think, the Dalton movies belong at the bottom of that list - not at all (because especially TLD I like quite much).

    I pulled those numbers because it is referred to that Dalton was not that accepted in the US, only - and I was curious myself how his movies performed over here. I am not at all saying $ = quality. And I also see Bond became as relevant since Craig started his tenure since the Sean Connery days.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
    Posts: 8,087
    Getafix wrote: »
    I'm not Craig's biggest fan, but give me any of his four films over any of Brosnan's four any day of the week. I'd even rather sit through SF.

    The Craig films are simply better on pretty much every level.

    Better on every level, except the ones that matter in a Bond film i.e. is it fun? The Craig films are dreary and self-important. The Brosnan outings were a little generic, but they knew their own limitations.
  • Major_BoothroydMajor_Boothroyd Republic of Isthmus
    Posts: 2,721
    @noSolaceleft - yes, that's an interesting way of looking at it.

    Of the top 10 listed LALD at 5 is the biggest surprise and most heartwarming for me - seeing as I love that whacky, nutty film so much. That's much higher than I expected and I'd think the next six films under it would be above it if I had to guess this list.
  • Posts: 11,425
    Getafix wrote: »
    I'm not Craig's biggest fan, but give me any of his four films over any of Brosnan's four any day of the week. I'd even rather sit through SF.

    The Craig films are simply better on pretty much every level.

    Better on every level, except the ones that matter in a Bond film i.e. is it fun? The Craig films are dreary and self-important. The Brosnan outings were a little generic, but they knew their own limitations.

    Modest films with much to be modest about.
  • Posts: 1,162
    SeanCraig wrote: »
    As much as numbers mean to you I hope you work in a bank . I was, of course, referring to quality. And no, just looking good doesn't make the cut. This is still the privilege of models.
    Please see my previous comment, too: I do NOT think, the Dalton movies belong at the bottom of that list - not at all (because especially TLD I like quite much).

    I pulled those numbers because it is referred to that Dalton was not that accepted in the US, only - and I was curious myself how his movies performed over here. I am not at all saying $ = quality. And I also see Bond became as relevant since Craig started his tenure since the Sean Connery days.

    Actually I was referring to @SirHilaryBray comment. But on an aside, I would be interested about how how old in the average is your circle of acquaintances. Because I happen to know quite a few youngsters and to the majority of them (for whatever reasons) Brosnan is still their idea of how James Bond should be. Many of them grew up watching the older movies together with their fathers on DVD or even TV and their fond memories of it just don't square with Craig's approach. The missing fun factor is very often mentioned. Also, among my friends, who sadly - just like me - don't qualify as youngsters anymore, Brosnan is still very much liked I have to say.
  • Posts: 1,162
    Getafix wrote: »
    Getafix wrote: »
    I'm not Craig's biggest fan, but give me any of his four films over any of Brosnan's four any day of the week. I'd even rather sit through SF.

    The Craig films are simply better on pretty much every level.

    Better on every level, except the ones that matter in a Bond film i.e. is it fun? The Craig films are dreary and self-important. The Brosnan outings were a little generic, but they knew their own limitations.

    Modest films with much to be modest about.

    Not unlike the last two outings.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
    Posts: 15,423
    Getafix wrote: »
    I'm not Craig's biggest fan, but give me any of his four films over any of Brosnan's four any day of the week. I'd even rather sit through SF.

    The Craig films are simply better on pretty much every level.

    Better on every level, except the ones that matter in a Bond film i.e. is it fun? The Craig films are dreary and self-important. The Brosnan outings were a little generic, but they knew their own limitations.
    Agreed. That's exactly how they're like in comparison.
  • edited October 2017 Posts: 11,425
    SeanCraig wrote: »
    As much as numbers mean to you I hope you work in a bank . I was, of course, referring to quality. And no, just looking good doesn't make the cut. This is still the privilege of models.
    Please see my previous comment, too: I do NOT think, the Dalton movies belong at the bottom of that list - not at all (because especially TLD I like quite much).

    I pulled those numbers because it is referred to that Dalton was not that accepted in the US, only - and I was curious myself how his movies performed over here. I am not at all saying $ = quality. And I also see Bond became as relevant since Craig started his tenure since the Sean Connery days.

    I think the argument will run endlessly, but I'm reasonably confident that TLD was actually quite successful in the US. It was very well received by US critics (I know this irritates some people but it's a fact) and I think US audiences responded well too. It's a good Bond movie - better than AVTAK by miles.

    LTK was obviously less successful, and you can argue endlessly about the reasons. My opinion is that the tone went too far from the previous film too suddenly. Even Dalton himself says this in interviews. You've got to remember that before Dan the actors weren't in the producer role. Dalton got the script for LTK 3 weeks before shooting! He was being paid to do a job. The producers wanted to take things in a different direction.

    Another thing to remember about LTK is that it performed well everywhere apart from the US. And even in the US the screen tests got great responses from audiences. And like TLD, US critics responded well to LTK too.

    So the mystery is what happened to prevent a film that got good test screenings and a great critical response from performing at the BO in the US?

    Theories abound. MGM's lacklustre marketing. The packed summer schedules. Or may be Dalton just didn't connect with US audiences. Who knows.

    What's certain is that over the next 6 years the idea became established that LTK was a flop; Dalton was unpopular etc. etc.

    My own view is that 2 films is not long enough to really bed into the role properly. Rog was arguably struggling as Bond and at the BO before TSWLM cemented his status. Dalton hit the ground running with TLD and perhaps stumbled a little with LTK. We will never know what might have happened had he done a strong 3rd or 4th.
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    'Rog was arguably struggling as Bond and at the BO before TSWLM cemented his status.'

    Erm, LALD is one of the most successful Bond films when adjusted for inflation.
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