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  • BonSimonLeBon_1BonSimonLeBon_1
    Posts: 2,436
    MakeshiftPython wrote: »
    I’ll have to include the gun barrel for comparison for sure. Overall impression is that it looks like the much needed improvement to the blu-ray with more natural skin tones, it’s framed almost like the SE DVD as the blu was very slightly cropped (not as dramatic as the UE DVD). I never thought the blu-ray as as terrible as many remarked, but it was below the standard of other Bond titles. It’s not a dramatic leap from blu to 4K, but it’s just nice to get a proper looking presentation.

    Every home video release of GoldenEye has been cropped to some degree.
  • TorgeirtrapTorgeirtrap
    Posts: 17,280
    MakeshiftPython wrote: »
    Torgeirtrap wrote: »
    MakeshiftPython wrote: »
    I just ordered the UE DVD of GOLDENEYE on eBay, so we'll eventually see the full scope of how GE looked from its SE DVD all the way to the 4K.

    Let me know if you need screencaps from any of the other UE DVD's @MakeshiftPython!

    Thanks! If you could do screencaps of OHMSS that would do great!

    Here's a link so you know which ones specifically: https://www.mi6community.com/discussion/comment/1030193/#Comment_1030193

    I'll try to take those screenshots this weekend! :-)
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
    Posts: 8,025
    Okay folks, time for GE.





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  • MinionMinion Don't Hassle the Bond
    Posts: 1,165
    GE has one of the biggest BD-to-4k improvements. What they did with the DNR should constitute a crime.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
    Posts: 40,473
    I need GE on 4K ASAP, those shots are simply stunning.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
    edited November 2019 Posts: 8,025
    The prospect of Martin Campbell coming back (presumably for the new Bond) is something I could take or leave, but what I would certainly look forward to is Phil Méheux coming back as DP. Aside from Deakins' work on SKYFALL, Méheux's work on GOLDENEYE and CASINO ROYALE were top rate for the Michael/Barbara years.
  • boldfingerboldfinger
    edited November 2019 Posts: 5,767
    Those shots remind me what a potential with Brosnan was wasted from TND on.


    Minion wrote: »
    GE has one of the biggest BD-to-4k improvements. What they did with the DNR should constitute a crime.
    Perhaps there is too much DNR on the BR, but some of the iTunes 4K images look too artificial to me. They seem to have undergone a different treatment, but I don´t think they are necessarily an improvement.

  • ToTheRightToTheRight
    Posts: 15,818
    None of the GE releases look quite like the cinematic prints. The new 4K version is closer.

    They all seem just a tiny bit magenta compared to the 35 mm versions. That PTS shot of Alec and Bond at the rail was darker in the theater and their flesh tones were tanned.
    Xenia's lipstick and nail varnish in the casino also popped more.

    The 4K looks to have the correct color levels and the best contrast.

    The Q scene in the theater was on the yellow side, almost like SP. It was also grainy, especially as Pierce is strolling into Q's office.

    The gunbarrel blood was an extremely dark maroon, which was the first thing I noticed opening day.

    The original SE DVD seems to have used the same source from the old VHS and laser disc. The VHS was much brighter than the film. As digital transfers were becoming the norm in the '90's new VHS releases were timed brighter than their cinematic counterparts. The Coppola DRACULA being a good example.

    Of the 4 Pierce films, TND and DAD I felt both had reasonably faithful transfers to DVD and Blu-ray.
    The cinematic prints of TWINE were bright and yellowish, almost leaning towards green in the PTS bank scene, an the Istanbul sequences.

    I think the Craig films on Blu-ray all more or less look like their cinematic counterparts. Of course some cinemas project at a different level causing a darker picture. SF looked different in the various theaters I saw it in.
  • bondbat007bondbat007
    Posts: 1,407
    Hey all just a heads up for any friends in the US. I work at Best Buy part time and we got our Black Friday ad, the Craig 4k collection will be 12.99 that day so just in case anyone was interested. I'll for sure be picking it up
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
    Posts: 40,473
    Jesus, what a price drop from $30 to $42 and back down to $12.99.
  • ShakenNotStirredShakenNotStirred
    Posts: 1,395
    Amazing deal. Hopefully the Canadian stores also have it on sale!
  • bondbat007bondbat007
    Posts: 1,407
    Creasy47 wrote: »
    Jesus, what a price drop from $30 to $42 and back down to $12.99.

    I very nearly bought it for 40 but decided to just wait to see what Black Friday had to offer. I thought it might have gone to 30 but 13?? I'm stunned in the best way possible
  • TorgeirtrapTorgeirtrap
    edited November 2019 Posts: 17,280
    I've updated the OHMMS post with the UE screencaps, @MakeshiftPython! Let me know if there's any other films you want UE screencaps from :-)
    MakeshiftPython wrote: »
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  • BT3366BT3366
    Posts: 1,883
    Those OHMSS screencaps are pushing my enthusiasm for its cinematography even higher to the point where it may be my favorite of the series. The shot of the Spectre skiers is a common example of this, but that one of Blofeld with the sunlight in the background is another awesome example. And I've never noticed the bullet hole in the windshield at the side when Bond cradles Tracy.

    Great things to look for when I do my 50th anniversary screening next month.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
    Posts: 8,025
    Thanks for sharing @Torgeirtrap ! It’s just as I remembered with the UE DVD having a much duller look overall, much like how dull GE looked on its UE disc.
  • TorgeirtrapTorgeirtrap
    edited November 2019 Posts: 17,280
    MakeshiftPython wrote: »
    Thanks for sharing @Torgeirtrap ! It’s just as I remembered with the UE DVD having a much duller look overall, much like how dull GE looked on its UE disc.

    Looking at these screencaps you've taken @MakeshiftPython, the UE DVD certainly stands out as particularly dull! I didn't even think about how dull it looked until I bought OHMSS via iTunes. Unfortunately I don't have the opportunity to watch it in 4K, but even so, it's an upgrade.

    As for physical formats, I have OHMSS on VHS (a 1992/93 release I think), SE DVD and UE DVD. I can't remember how the VHS version looks like as I don't have a working VHS player. As I still have it, I'm tempted to get the VHS player fixed (if it's possible), just so I can watch the films on VHS again.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    Nice thing about the 4K copies on iTunes and Amazon Prime is that even if you don't have a 4KTV you can still enjoy the newest transfers on 1080p HDTV.



    Anyway, finally got to TND. There's a definite improvement from Blu-ray to 4K in terms of saturation and contrast, but it's very incremental rather than a revelation. The SE DVD (the very first of the Special Edition lineup of DVDs) looks like it slightly had the image squeezed on the sides as if to account for older TVs that used to have overscan, especially during the title sequence, which results in having a tiny bit more image information on the sides than either the blu-ray or 4K. Yet on the blu-ray and 4K there's instances where there's more image information on the top and bottom than the SE DVD.




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  • boldfingerboldfinger
    edited November 2019 Posts: 5,767
    Does anyone know the ratios of frame per second on BR, 4K, and tv sets? Someone told me once that tv sets have a slightly different frame rate than BRs (50 : 48 or something like that?), and that that basically would decrease the quality from the outset. Is that true? And how is 4K in comparison?

    https://www.lifewire.com/video-frame-vs-screen-refresh-rate-1847855
    I just found this article, according to which it seems that according to the respective combination of medium, player and tv set the results can vary considerably.
    Does anyone have experience with these differences? The only thing I know from experience is that my DVDs looked much better on my BR player than they did on my cheap DVD player. And of course I know where to turn off the motion control functions on my tv ;-).
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    TV sets can change frame rates depending on the signal they recieve. For example: My TV would typically play content at 60fps, but I have my blu-ray player set to 24fps as that's the proper frame rate for movie viewing.

    Likewise, I have my Apple TV set to "frame match", so that whatever content it plays will be at the proper frame rate. If I watch a live sports app it'll display at 60fps as that's how the live stream is broadcast, whereas if I want to watch a movie the device will switch to 24fps.
  • ZekidkZekidk
    Posts: 3,168
    Creasy47 wrote: »
    Thunderpussy wrote: »
    I can't wait to get the Craig collection on 4k.

    I'm sticking with the blu-rays after being unimpressed with CR and QoS on 4K, the two titles that mattered the most, but holy hell did SF look fantastic.

    This surprised me the most. Only shot on 2,7K and yet, the best looking UHD of them all. If only they didn't go overboard with the colorgrading in SP.
  • ZekidkZekidk
    edited November 2019 Posts: 3,168
    ... double post
  • ZekidkZekidk
    edited November 2019 Posts: 3,168
    Those last pictures from TND. The 4K image looks weird. Is that hightened shadows?
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    Being mastered at 4K made all the difference for SF. Thankfully more films are done that way now, but there's a ton of films from the first decade of the millennium that are starting to look pretty dated to me because of the limitations of DI from that era. The first BOURNE film has a very natural palette as that was mastered traditionally, whereas SUPREMACY and ULTIMATUM were done at 2K and the limitations in color really show.
  • boldfingerboldfinger
    edited November 2019 Posts: 5,767
    I´m a bit frustrated because it seems how good a film looks depends at least as much on how it was transferred and what was done to it during the process as it does depend on the format. In this truly marvellous compilation of screenshots in this thread I´ve seen instances where 4 K looked best to me, I´ve seen instances where BR looked best to me, and I´ve seen instances were DVD looked best to me.
    Admittedly, these are just stills, and movies are moving and making sound. I compared a few films from the 2000s on DVD and BR, and while I couldn´t really detect differences when I hit pause (32" screen), I could make out clear differences when the picture was in motion. And I don´t care much for surround sound at home, so there´s that. But still, I wish the choice would be made easier.
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy My Secret Lair
    Posts: 13,384
    My two cents ...... without going in to too much detail, as I don't know much about the technical side of 4k video, but as
    an average punter, I'm very happy. The picture quality really is a bump up from the standard Blu-ray,
    better contrast, detail and richer colours.With HDR helping with the highlights and darker scenes.
    Sound quality is the same 5.1 dts, and nothing new in the extras. I think Skyfall looks the best, maybe
    because it was shot digitally instead of film ? ( I may be wrong there, but I think it was )
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    I didn't start posting title sequence samples until FYEO's dramatic differences, so I'm looking into the earlier films at this point. I'll start off with OHMSS, including the gun barrel I didn't include last time. As you can see, the new 4K remasters have gotten rid of the picture boxing, so the image is no longer squeezed in like the UE DVD/Blu-ray.



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    @Torgeirtrap it would be most appreciated if you can provide caps of the UE DVD title and gun barrel for comparison. :)
  • TorgeirtrapTorgeirtrap
    Posts: 17,280
    MakeshiftPython wrote: »
    @Torgeirtrap it would be most appreciated if you can provide caps of the UE DVD title and gun barrel for comparison. :)
    No problem, @MakeshiftPython! Here are the UE DVD screencaps!

    MakeshiftPython wrote: »
    I didn't start posting title sequence samples until FYEO's dramatic differences, so I'm looking into the earlier films at this point. I'll start off with OHMSS, including the gun barrel I didn't include last time. As you can see, the new 4K remasters have gotten rid of the picture boxing, so the image is no longer squeezed in like the UE DVD/Blu-ray.



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  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
    Posts: 8,025
    Thanks! The shifting between purple and blue has certainly caused a lot of confusion.
  • ToTheRightToTheRight
    Posts: 15,818
    More great screen caps, @MakeshiftPython .
    I recall seeing a 35mm print 10 years ago and specifically noticing the gunbarrel blood and titles coloring. I remember the titles being fairly purple as opposed to blue.
  • TorgeirtrapTorgeirtrap
    edited November 2019 Posts: 17,280
    MakeshiftPython wrote: »
    Thanks! The shifting between purple and blue has certainly caused a lot of confusion.

    I was very surprised to see how blue the colour was in the title sequence of the UE DVD, compared to the other formats. I'm so used to how the UE DVD looks, so it's interesting to see how it differs – especially in comparison with Blu-ray and 4K. Has there been any explanation about why they went with a blue hue?

    Also, what's up with the picture boxing? What's the (likely) reason for including that?
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