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Things you never want to see in a Bond film again

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  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited March 2016 Posts: 23,883
    I was thinking about this earlier, and it could seem like heresy, but I'll be happy if I never hear "Vodka Martini, Shaken, Not Stirred" or a variant of it ever again. I'm truly done with it.
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
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    bondjames wrote: »
    I was thinking about this earlier, and it could seem like heresy, but I'll be happy if I never hear "Vodka Martini, Shaken, Not Stirred" or a variant of it ever again. I'm truly done with it.

    But that is what the mainstream audience wants. Like a gun-barrel, a casino scene, a "Bond, James Bond" line, Q giving gadgets, etc.

    The problem with the Martini is, that it felt forced with Craig, everybody knew EON just had to put it back in like other stuff as well.
    They never had a plan. The re-boot thing should have been done consequently, but they abandoned it with Skyfall. Of course after SF, Spectre had to happen like it has.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited March 2016 Posts: 23,883
    All of these things seemed forced in the latest entry, except for the gun barrel, which is where it should be, and should have been all along imho.

    I'm just done with the tropes. I don't think they can make it fresh any more, because some of the prior actors will always come to mind when they call these things up, and I'm always reminded that they did it far better.

    That's why I loved the 'Don't give a damn' and 'Not exactly Christmas' lines in CR & SF respectively. They were poking fun at the trope but still recalling it. This suits Craig's delivery (and reboot persona) better. Almost a 4th Wall break - a nod to us in the audience.
  • daltondalton
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    bondjames wrote: »
    I'm just done with the tropes. I don't think they can make it fresh any more, because some of the prior actors will always come to mind when they call these things up, and I'm always reminded that they did it far better.

    Agreed.

    I'm done with the tropes as well. That was actually the biggest disappointment about the reboot, was that they decided to keep them instead of truly rebooting the franchise and doing something different with it. EON has done a decent job of burying some of these films in tropes and call backs to previous films, to the point that it does take away a bit from the other things that they've been doing in these new films that are really good.

  • IncompetentHenchmanIncompetentHenchman
    Posts: 1,817
    bondjames wrote: »
    I was thinking about this earlier, and it could seem like heresy, but I'll be happy if I never hear "Vodka Martini, Shaken, Not Stirred" or a variant of it ever again. I'm truly done with it.

    It's not heresy to me. Maybe say it once more, then just forget about it until the next Bond anniversary...
  • echoecho 007 in New York
    edited March 2016 Posts: 5,990
    No more homages to Ursula Andress! If they continue down this route, someday *M* will be walking out of the ocean to give Bond his briefing.
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
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    echo wrote: »
    No more homages to Ursula Andress! If they continue down this route, someday *M* will be walking out of the ocean to give Bond his briefing.

    haha, yes.

    Jinx was ok for the 40th, but Craig just looked ridiculous, that was more or less an advert for swim wear.
  • IncompetentHenchmanIncompetentHenchman
    Posts: 1,817
    echo wrote: »
    No more homages to Ursula Andress! If they continue down this route, someday *M* will be walking out of the ocean to give Bond his briefing.

    Bond: Good God M! What were you doing?
    M: I was taking some overdue holiday.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    To be perfectly honest...I wouldn't mind if Moneypenny had an Ursula Andress homage... ;)) harris-swimsuit.jpg
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    Murdock wrote: »
    To be perfectly honest...I wouldn't mind if Moneypenny had an Ursula Andress homage... ;)) harris-swimsuit.jpg
    Give this poster trophy at once!
  • MayDayDiVicenzoMayDayDiVicenzo Here and there
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    Fictional locations. I was ok with it in LALD, but it really took me out of the film in LTK and CR.
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
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    MayDayDiVicenzo wrote: »
    Fictional locations. I was ok with it in LALD, but it really took me out of the film in LTK and CR.

    What are the fictional locations in CR?

    Madagascar and Montenegro are real countries you know.
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
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    Any variation of the track 'The Moors'.
  • MayDayDiVicenzoMayDayDiVicenzo Here and there
    Posts: 5,080
    TheWizardOfIce wrote: »
    MayDayDiVicenzo wrote: »
    Fictional locations. I was ok with it in LALD, but it really took me out of the film in LTK and CR.

    What are the fictional locations in CR?

    Madagascar and Montenegro are real countries you know.

    Nambutu, the embassy of which Mollaka escapes into.
  • AceHoleAceHole Belgium, via Britain
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    TheWizardOfIce wrote: »
    MayDayDiVicenzo wrote: »
    Fictional locations. I was ok with it in LALD, but it really took me out of the film in LTK and CR.

    What are the fictional locations in CR?

    Madagascar and Montenegro are real countries you know.

    Montenegro is a fictional country though. According to the Serbs :>
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
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    MayDayDiVicenzo wrote: »
    TheWizardOfIce wrote: »
    MayDayDiVicenzo wrote: »
    Fictional locations. I was ok with it in LALD, but it really took me out of the film in LTK and CR.

    What are the fictional locations in CR?

    Madagascar and Montenegro are real countries you know.

    Nambutu, the embassy of which Mollaka escapes into.

    Isn't that where Jar Jar Binks comes from?

    Well that's an embassy of a fictional country not a location but fair point I suppose.

    Personally I haven't got a problem with it as they might as well just have written 'Tinpot African country no one has ever heard of' and achieved the same effect.

    I find LALD and LTK far more jarring.
  • w2bondw2bond is indeed a very rare breed
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    bondjames wrote: »
    I was thinking about this earlier, and it could seem like heresy, but I'll be happy if I never hear "Vodka Martini, Shaken, Not Stirred" or a variant of it ever again. I'm truly done with it.

    What I don't want again is the media using the word "shaken but not stirred" to describe something. What the hell does it even mean?

    "I was shaken but not stirred by the latest Bond film"
    "Shaken but not stirred by the latest phone"
    ...
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
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    w2bond wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    I was thinking about this earlier, and it could seem like heresy, but I'll be happy if I never hear "Vodka Martini, Shaken, Not Stirred" or a variant of it ever again. I'm truly done with it.

    What I don't want again is the media using the word "shaken but not stirred" to describe something. What the hell does it even mean?

    "I was shaken but not stirred by the latest Bond film"
    "Shaken but not stirred by the latest phone"
    ...

    While we're at it the term 'Licenced to Thrill!!!!' should be banned from the English language.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    MayDayDiVicenzo wrote: »
    TheWizardOfIce wrote: »
    MayDayDiVicenzo wrote: »
    Fictional locations. I was ok with it in LALD, but it really took me out of the film in LTK and CR.

    What are the fictional locations in CR?

    Madagascar and Montenegro are real countries you know.

    Nambutu, the embassy of which Mollaka escapes into.

    https://www.nationstates.net/nation=nambutu
  • MayDayDiVicenzoMayDayDiVicenzo Here and there
    Posts: 5,080
    Thunderfinger wrote: »
    MayDayDiVicenzo wrote: »
    TheWizardOfIce wrote: »
    MayDayDiVicenzo wrote: »
    Fictional locations. I was ok with it in LALD, but it really took me out of the film in LTK and CR.

    What are the fictional locations in CR?

    Madagascar and Montenegro are real countries you know.

    Nambutu, the embassy of which Mollaka escapes into.

    https://www.nationstates.net/nation=nambutu

    I love that website!
  • TerryBond101TerryBond101
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    A men loving james
  • MayDayDiVicenzoMayDayDiVicenzo Here and there
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    An insightful second post, there.
  • identigraphidentigraph
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    Daniel Craig.
  • Lancaster007Lancaster007 Shrublands Health Clinic, England
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    Right now. Daniel Craig.
  • mcdonbbmcdonbb deep in the Heart of Texas
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    TheWizardOfIce wrote: »
    MayDayDiVicenzo wrote: »
    TheWizardOfIce wrote: »
    MayDayDiVicenzo wrote: »
    Fictional locations. I was ok with it in LALD, but it really took me out of the film in LTK and CR.

    What are the fictional locations in CR?

    Madagascar and Montenegro are real countries you know.

    Nambutu, the embassy of which Mollaka escapes into.

    Isn't that where Jar Jar Binks comes from?

    Well that's an embassy of a fictional country not a location but fair point I suppose.

    Personally I haven't got a problem with it as they might as well just have written 'Tinpot African country no one has ever heard of' and achieved the same effect.

    I find LALD and LTK far more jarring.

    Yes and that's where I'll give QoS some due credit.
  • dominicgreenedominicgreene The Eternal QOS Defender
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    DaltonCraig007 wrote: »
    Any variation of the track 'The Moors'.

    I actually really love the track. Wouldn't mind any homages to it again.

  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
    Posts: 45,489
    dominicgreene wrote: »
    DaltonCraig007 wrote: »
    Any variation of the track 'The Moors'.

    I actually really love the track. Wouldn't mind any homages to it again.
    Me, too. Fantastic music.
  • Major_BoothroydMajor_Boothroyd Republic of Isthmus
    edited June 2016 Posts: 2,721
    The plot conceit of Control through mass surveillance, hacking or technology hijacking. It just smacks of lazy - has been at the centre of the last two Bond films and is pretty much ubiquitous in the last ten years of action films from Bourne to Eagle eye to enemy of the state.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    Major_Boothroyd wrote: »
    The plot conceit of Control through mass surveillance, hacking or technology hijacking. It just smacks of lazy - has been at the centre of the last two Bond films and is pretty much ubiquitous in the last ten years of action films from Bourne to Eagle eye to enemy of the state.
    This. Also adding to that is the elements of political alignments and real-world problems. Bond shouldn't reflect on these.
  • suavejmfsuavejmf Harrogate, North Yorkshire, England
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    The Gunbarrel at the end of the film.
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