Who should/could be a Bond actor?

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  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    peter wrote: »
    I'll eat my hat if any producers for any production hold auditions for a lead actor for a historical series with no script.

    So Peter, in the history of the franchise have they never tested actors , in between films, when there was no locked in script? It seems particularly likely in the Connery and Moore years, particularly when they were playing hardball for more money,
  • peterpeter Toronto
    edited November 2022 Posts: 6,523
    @talos7

    I should have emphasized-- contemporary producers in today's film industry, auditioning the lead to a storied franchise, without a scrip, is insanity.

    I was actually going to edit my post, knowing that yesteryear would be called to attention.

    So, I will eat my hat if any auditions, for the new James Bond, have taken place without a script. I can't believe that EON would greenlight this ass backwards approach.

    Nor MGM.

    Nor Amazon.

    A meeting?

    A dinner?

    Certainly, especially as this Kick Ass actor's wife is a director and an acquaintance to Ms. Broccoli.

    But an audition? Without a script? If I'm wrong, pass the ketchup and I'll get chewing.
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
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    talos7 wrote: »
    He definitely has potential; he looks better without the inky black hair.

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    Haven’t seen him in anything yet but IMO he has the look 100%. It doesn’t hurt that he looks so similar to Connery. Looking forward to watching something of his.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited November 2022 Posts: 12,089
    bondsum wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    It is quite curious that Broccoli and Saltzman let Connery stay Scottish really, isn't it? Considering he wasn't a star at that point, has anything been said about whether they considered making him do the accent?

    I'll give you my take on this query. I don't believe Broccoli and Saltzman did allow Connery to stay Scottish, as you put it. If you rewatch Dr No, FRWL, GF, it's pretty clear that Connery is trying to speak in an affected English uppercrust voice. Sure, some of his Scottish burr seeps through every now and then, but his regional brogue is dialed right back as far as he feels comfortable taking it. Also, Connery did take elocution lessons to improve his diction before the role of Bond. Besides, most Americans wouldn't be able to understand a regional Scottish accent unless it was first modified by the actor themselves. The same applies to actors from the North of England, such as the Geordie accent from the Tyneside area. Some fans even had a similar complaint about Dalton's Welsh accent occasionally seeping through, such as when he said "nassty" instead of the southern English pronunciation of narsty.

    It's also worth noting that one of Roger Moore's own regrets was totally losing his own regional accent as it hadn't done either Michael Caine or Sean Connery any harm.

    Great, thank you, good post. I think you're quite right about Connery smoothing his accent towards the border.

    One qualification though: Dalton doesn't have a Welsh accent- he's got remnants of a Derbyshire accent as that's where he comes from; despite the myth he's not Welsh.
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
    edited November 2022 Posts: 7,322
    Is Dalton not Welsh? wtf...

    EDIT: Maybe I misinterpreted the end of your post.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited November 2022 Posts: 12,089
    No, he was just born there because that's where his dad was working at the time. He's half-English, half-American by birth and grew up in the North of England.
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    mtm wrote: »
    One qualification though: Dalton doesn't have a Welsh accent- he's got remnants of a Derbyshire accent as that's where he comes from; despite the myth he's not Welsh.
    You're quite correct. I meant Derbyshire accent as Dalton was only born in Wales but grew up in Belper in Derbyshire. Nevertheless, his regional accent still affected his speech every once in a while. Not as obvious as Connery's but traces of it were still there.
    peter wrote: »
    So, I will eat my hat if any auditions, for the new James Bond, have taken place without a script.
    EON don't need a finished script for a screen-test as they can use previously written scenes taken from earlier Bond movies. From memory, all the actors have to perform the Tatiana Romanova bedroom scene from FRWL and the Teresa di Vicenzo bedroom scene from OHMSS. There's possibly a few more scenes I've forgotten about. I think once they've narrowed it down to the final three actors, they'll call them back to perform some scenes taken from the working script or draft of Bond 26.
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    DarthDimi wrote: »
    I was thinking about ATJ and the fact that he's been in a few commercial film series. Then it hit me that with the exception of Lazenby, all Bonds had been in somewhat commercial projects before being cast as 007. I'm thinking Darby O'Gill, Ivanhoe, Flash Gordon, Remington Steele, Tomb Raider, ... Roger in particular had played several 'big' roles; he was in The Saint, The Persuaders, Maverick, ... So the fact that ATJ was Kick-Ass at some point, and has been seen in other commercial projects, doesn't strike me as a problem as such.

    Looking back, no Bond was ever truly an unknown, was he? (Except Lazenby.) Although Connery appears to have been largely under the radar before DN.

    Of all the Bond actors, only Moore was famous when taking the role, imo. Brosnan was mostly known as the guy who could or should have been Bond. Generally they go for relatively unknown veteran actors. Of course in our day and age, with social media and Google, even the most obscure candidate could already be more famous than Brosnan or Dalton when cast.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited November 2022 Posts: 12,089
    bondsum wrote: »
    peter wrote: »
    So, I will eat my hat if any auditions, for the new James Bond, have taken place without a script.
    EON don't need a finished script for a screen-test as they can use previously written scenes taken from earlier Bond movies. From memory, all the actors have to perform the Tatiana Romanova bedroom scene from FRWL and the Teresa di Vicenzo bedroom scene from OHMSS. There's possibly a few more scenes I've forgotten about. I think once they've narrowed it down to the final three actors, they'll call them back to perform some scenes taken from the working script or draft of Bond 26.

    I think Peter means a script for the film: you can't really cast a main character, even James Bond, unless you have a film for him to be in. Last time they had Casino Royale, a script and a director, and they knew where they wanted to take Bond, which is why Craig was cast and what he was cast to do.
    You wouldn't have cast Christian Bale to be in a Joel Schumacher Batman film.
  • peterpeter Toronto
    edited November 2022 Posts: 6,523
    EON don't need a finished script for a screen-test as they can use previously written scenes taken from earlier Bond movies. From memory, all the actors have to perform the Tatiana Romanova bedroom scene from FRWL and the Teresa di Vicenzo bedroom scene from OHMSS. There's possibly a few more scenes I've forgotten about. I think once they've narrowed it down to the final three actors, they'll call them back to perform some scenes taken from the working script or draft of Bond 26.

    @bondsum :

    Auditions cost money. Quite a bit of it, actually. For recalls, union actors actually get paid to return, but, on top of this:

    Auditions need their own schedules and budgets that include the time of the casting director (and payment), the hiring of set people, camera operators and a director and the hiring of actors to play against (as well as their payments).

    There will be scheduled auditions and they will be shot as close to all at once as possible (before going to final candidates).

    They will not need a finished script (I didn’t say that), nor will they when they start auditioning— but they WILL have an early draft of the new script with the proper tone and direction of the new film, to see if actors can pull off what the producers are looking for (as well as performing FRWL to see how the men do with the romance).

    Make no mistake, the auditions will be scheduled and financed and they WILL be studying scenes from the new script (not a finished/polished script; that happens when they lock the new actor), and the first round of auditions will shoot as close to each other as the schedule will allow.

    No one will green light such an important process without a script/direction in place.

    This isn’t like 1982 where they wanted to see if Brolin could throw a punch.

    The series isn’t the sausage factory it was in Cubby’s latter days (and I say that as a fan of his sausages). These are at least US$200 million dollar investments competing in a crowded market, for a billion dollars in worldwide box office. There’s far too much at stake— especially now having to fill the shoes left by Craig.

    No direction, no script, no auditions.


    EDIT: @mtm nailed it (but I didn’t see it until after I posted, 😂)


  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
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    mtm wrote: »
    bondsum wrote: »
    peter wrote: »
    So, I will eat my hat if any auditions, for the new James Bond, have taken place without a script.
    EON don't need a finished script for a screen-test as they can use previously written scenes taken from earlier Bond movies. From memory, all the actors have to perform the Tatiana Romanova bedroom scene from FRWL and the Teresa di Vicenzo bedroom scene from OHMSS. There's possibly a few more scenes I've forgotten about. I think once they've narrowed it down to the final three actors, they'll call them back to perform some scenes taken from the working script or draft of Bond 26.

    I think Peter means a script for the film: you can't really cast a main character, even James Bond, unless you have a film for him to be in. Last time they had Casino Royale, a script and a director, and they knew where they wanted to take Bond, which is why Craig was cast and what he was cast to do.
    You wouldn't have cast Christian Bale to be in a Joel Schumacher Batman film.

    But I suppose they might do screen tests for actors before a final script is in place?
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    Interesting @peter. So, in your opinion, where do you think EON are right now? Have you heard anything with your ear to the ground?
  • VenutiusVenutius Yorkshire
    edited November 2022 Posts: 1,855
    If Doherty's got the voice and masculine presence to go with the look, we could do a damn sight worse. Give the man a screentest, for sure. The one caveat would be the likelihood of his hairline surviving a decade-long stint. Mind you, he'd be able to afford the Rogaine if it came to it, I guess!
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    mtm wrote: »
    bondsum wrote: »
    peter wrote: »
    So, I will eat my hat if any auditions, for the new James Bond, have taken place without a script.
    EON don't need a finished script for a screen-test as they can use previously written scenes taken from earlier Bond movies. From memory, all the actors have to perform the Tatiana Romanova bedroom scene from FRWL and the Teresa di Vicenzo bedroom scene from OHMSS. There's possibly a few more scenes I've forgotten about. I think once they've narrowed it down to the final three actors, they'll call them back to perform some scenes taken from the working script or draft of Bond 26.

    I think Peter means a script for the film: you can't really cast a main character, even James Bond, unless you have a film for him to be in. Last time they had Casino Royale, a script and a director, and they knew where they wanted to take Bond, which is why Craig was cast and what he was cast to do.
    You wouldn't have cast Christian Bale to be in a Joel Schumacher Batman film.

    But I suppose they might do screen tests for actors before a final script is in place?

    Oh yeah, bearing in mind how much scripts can change, I don't think that's impossible at all.
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    I think they’re really in pre development mode. If I was to guess @bondsum , i think there’s a lot of spitballing going on, but with only the closest creatives.

    I could be completely wrong, but when MGW said they’d be talking to P&W, I don’t think there’s any reason to doubt him. I’m not saying they will be the sole writers, but we can’t be surprised if they at least do the first few outlines for Eon (on commission), if not some of the early drafts (before co-writers and script doctors climb on board).

    I do believe wheels are certainly moving, but perhaps not at the pace of having auditions quite yet.
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    Venutius wrote: »
    If Doherty's got the voice and masculine presence to go with the look, we could do a damn sight worse. Give the man a screentest. The one caveat would be the likelihood of his hairline surviving a decade-long stint. Mind you, he'd be able to afford the Rogaine if it came to it, I guess!
    Just checked Doherty's age and he's 27. Not sure if that would go against him. I know it shouldn't, but the way these movies are excruciatingly made he could be 30 by the time Bond 26 comes out!!
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    peter wrote: »
    I think they’re really in pre development mode. If I was to guess @bondsum , i think there’s a lot of spitballing going on, but with only the closest creatives.

    I could be completely wrong, but when MGW said they’d be talking to P&W, I don’t think there’s any reason to doubt him. I’m not saying they will be the sole writers, but we can’t be surprised if they at least do the first few outlines for Eon (on commission), if not some of the early drafts (before co-writers and script doctors climb on board).

    I do believe wheels are certainly moving, but perhaps not at the pace of having auditions quite yet.
    Thank you @peter. I've been out of the loop for a long while and it's really good to get your expert take on things.
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
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    Venutius wrote: »
    If Doherty's got the voice and masculine presence to go with the look, we could do a damn sight worse. Give the man a screentest, for sure. The one caveat would be the likelihood of his hairline surviving a decade-long stint. Mind you, he'd be able to afford the Rogaine if it came to it, I guess!

    It didn't seem to stop his spiritual father Sean Connery! ;) But yeah, if his acting chops are sufficient he'd be my #1 realistic choice (true #1 is still Luke Evans).
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    As with several of the other “ candidates “, Doherty would benefit from a bit of quality weight and a bit of weathering.
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    No problem @bondsum ... No one knows exactly what the producers and their partners will do, not even the insiders (since they can only go with what was told, or what they saw).

    But the auditioning process is a complex part of film making, and you don't want to take the wrong step out of the gate. There's a schedule, a small crew, actors and a director to round up and a thorough process to manage. It's an exciting time, and my fingers are crossed that it'll be here soon enough (late spring? Early summer? Just guesses and based on zero info).

    Welcome back. Your posts have been missed.

    P

  • DenbighDenbigh UK
    edited November 2022 Posts: 5,377
    I can see, if the rumours are at least true, the press making it seem like they're far more ahead than they actually are, with the possibility of Broccoli only being impressed by Johnson in initial meetings. Barbara may just want to get an idea of who on their possible list would actually want to do it?

    Is it also possible considering how closely Barbara and Michael worked with Craig that they'd like to repeat that close relationship and want to set that dynamic from the off as opposed to how it built with Craig?
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    Or it could be all the work of ATJ’s publicist A few minutes ago I was listening to the radio and the bottom of the hour entertainment news kicked off with the news that, based on a strong screentest, ATJ is now the front runner for the role of James Bond. Lol, you can’t buy that kind of publicity, but then again, maybe you can.
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    For sure @Denbigh ... Johnson's wife is seemingly a friend/acquaintance of BB... Plus she herself is a director (and a professional photographer); for all we know, Ms. Broccoli is more interested in Ms. Sam Taylor Johnson as a director for one of her projects, and Aaron tagged along 😂!
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    peter wrote: »
    I'll eat my hat if any producers for any production hold auditions for a lead actor for a historical series with no script.
    I will eat your other hat if this happens thanks for bringing us back to reality
  • DenbighDenbigh UK
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    Haha good point @peter! I do have to say if you guys haven’t already, you should definitely watch Nowhere Boy. It was the film where Aaron met his now wife, Sam, who directed the film. It was a biopic of John Lennon’s early life. If there were any doubts about his acting, this film should put those to bed.

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    Look let me make this clear I believe @peter more then most things

    But if Aaron Taylor Johnson is our new 007 I will watch the films and they likely will be more of the fun brosnan affair which isn’t awful
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
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    talos7 wrote: »
    As with several of the other “ candidates “, Doherty would benefit from a bit of quality weight and a bit of weathering.

    Maybe, but I’d say he has a much better frame for said weathering than some other candidates, and some photos posted previously show that he’s more than built enough.
  • SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ Lagos, Nigeria
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    Brosnan followed his wife and Cubby spotted and liked him. Maybe history's repeating itself with Johnson? Time will tell, though.
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    peter wrote: »
    No problem @bondsum ... No one knows exactly what the producers and their partners will do, not even the insiders (since they can only go with what was told, or what they saw).

    But the auditioning process is a complex part of film making, and you don't want to take the wrong step out of the gate. There's a schedule, a small crew, actors and a director to round up and a thorough process to manage. It's an exciting time, and my fingers are crossed that it'll be here soon enough (late spring? Early summer? Just guesses and based on zero info).

    Welcome back. Your posts have been missed.

    P
    Cheers, buddy. I'll continue to peruse the odd comment section and see whether there's anything new I can add.
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    Just dropping by to say that I'll be one happy fan if Aaron Taylor-Johnson gets the job.

    Good to see some of you back, btw. Who knows, maybe I'll be back as well, eventually. Maybe I/we never left ;)

    Cheers
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