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It’s better than arguing about skin colour tbh
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It depends. You're never going to please everyone and some people simply don't want to see a Bond with any of these flaws at all. I think if this approach to Bond was taken you'd have more push back from that type of audience rather than those who dislike the cinematic Bond's more... I suppose you could say 'questionable' qualities. I do think they'll have to go down this sort of route in order to remain true to the character while doing something new. A film more self-conscious about Bond's flaws might even help getting younger audiences, especially in tandem with things like more well rounded, better written femme fatale Bond girls you got more of in the novels (Tiffany Case etc) as well as the more 'fun' elements of the films (action sequences, fantastical concepts, gadgets etc).
“Watch the Planet, Dave, it’ll all be over shortly...”
I know and I agree. I just say you'll have people moaning about it. I know enough people who think Bond should not fall in love, should always use outlandish gadgets, etc.
Maybe too obvious a suggestion, but he could make a really great Scaramanga type baddy.
Yeah, and I fear he'd be unfairly compared to Lalo but that's a great suggestion, I'd love him to play a Bond villain. Maybe in another lifetime.
Some of the Bond films are a nightmare for me. Big difference!
Whereas the likes of OHMSS, GF, and LTK are some of my favourite films of all time (outside of the franchise). Therefore I still want to post in threads regarding the films (which may annoy the hell out of you)! ;)
That’s a great idea :)
I can see a character actor not unlike him being picked for the role (someone like Jack O Connell arguably fits into that category and has a similar screen presence). Hoult is just an unlikely choice all round for me.
Hardy is to me now what Clive Owen was back in 2005: I just don't see him as Bond and I am baffled that people suggest him.
This^….
Did you see his Capone portrayal? It was like a Bugs Bunny cartoon on acid. He was absolutely atrocious in it… he’s also got into a mumbling-habit he needs to be broken of….
He played Capone? Doesn't really look like him.
But only if you're interested in seeing one of the Kings of Crime go through a severely flatulent moment or two.
My eyes are already bleeding reading this.
Wait til you experience the sound mix. Your ears will share that pain.
Sometimes I think the long delays between films and the drought of news, cause people to exaggerate problems the film's have had in the past. One way to ease this would be to release more consistently
Yes there are some problematic scenes when looked at through the lens of today, but there are far more interesting, complex and very advanced and independent women in the films of the 60s. I find them much more progressive than some of the female characters we met in the films from the 70s through to the 90s.
Women like Sylvia and Honey, Pussy and Tilly, Fiona and Aki and Kissy and, of course, Tracy... These critics of this era really need to watch these films, lol!!!
I would say that something to keep in mind about the early Bond films is that they do try to evoke the care free, sexual liberation of the 'Swinging 60s' rather overtly. You get stuff in them such as receptionists randomly fawning over Bond, or Bond sleeping with a woman written explicitly in the film for him to do so. Bond slept around in the Fleming novels (although nowhere near as much as he does in the films) but he fell in love often, seemed attracted to damaged women and had this element of chivalry in how he interacted with them (a 'St. George complex', which isn't depicted uncritically). These traits are notably absent in the Connery films, and only really appear in OHMSS, although even Bond's attraction to Tracy because of how 'damaged' she is is downplayed. Heck, early in CR he's outwardly arrogant and sexist towards Vesper, and not in a 'charming' way, but in a way in which Fleming seems to want the reader to see this man... well, as a bit of a 'cad'. Anyway, my point is there's a more liberal, arguably superficial approach to sex in the early films that might have led indirectly to what is being criticised in hindsight... arguably anyway.
Yeah absolutely mate. They never give credit for strong well written female characters, of which there are many throughout the series
This.
There should be a thread about those actors the general public and media suggested as potential Bond that we consider simply... baffling. Robbie Williams, Hugh Grant, etc.
Yeah I think the low point in terms of treatment of women in the series was actually the first three films of the 70s rather than the 60s.
You’re right about that @talos7 … and vetting of all: directors, actors, music etc….