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It's not Bruce Wayne though. It's Tim Fox son of Lucius Fox.
We’re not on a Batman forum.
The point was a black Batman, which he is. But I don't even know why I am arguing. None of this is in good faith, neither from me nor from @Benjamin_Weekly69, so I guess I'll return to not looking at this thread for a couple of days, until we are back to comparing pictures of the same set of about 12 white men in dinner jackets.
Only the movies matter. Where Batman is yet again white to no one’s objection.
And before we go into the "conflict of source material". While the franchise still roots itself in the novels and goes back to them as much as they can, we're now in 2022, and extremely far from the world James Bond originally existed in. He has to change, and having a black British gentleman spy working for MI6 would not be out of the norm.
Then sticking to Batman, there’s little to no casting buzz for him because Pattinson has already been cast in the part for three years and people have been waiting to see his take. I’m not sure why we’d NOW be discussing the prospects of a black actor as Bruce Wayne, which is why I brought up Superman because that is in the middle of a casting process.
In the meantime, Jeffrey Wright has been cast in a role traditionally played by white actors: Jim Gordon. That’s twice he’s done that now. And I’ve seen very little fuss over that.
As for his heritage, yes he has a Scottish father and Swiss mother. But he was also born in the 1920s, we're now in 2022. It's possible for his parents to have both been black, or even just one of them, and have that heritage, especially when that heritage will barely be addressed if at all.
Either way, like you've said anything's possible. Including EON casting a black or asian British actor in the role of James Bond that resonates with audiences, and keeps the franchise going. But on the other hand, no-ones against another white actor either. My two top choices are Sam Claflin and Callum Turner, again like I've said I just think it's possible and could work.
How often is Bond’s heritage important to the story? Is him being white so integral to entries like TSWLM? That’s why I’m not so bothered by the prospect of casting a non-white. The only time I can think it served some undercurrent was in LALD where Bond goes to Harlem.
What an odd turn of colourful phrase. As if it's some kind of unthinking violence being perpetrated on people.
Seeing people from a slightly different background on a screen doesn't hurt anyone.
Yeah good point. Could happen.
Perhaps the people that want to see Fleming's idea of of Bond on screen, are fans also. (Imagine that!)
But they're fans of the original literal concept, rather than the whims of the current movie franchise. Silly buggers.
If they were casting a POC actor for a 1950s period piece that’s supposed to be more strictly close to Fleming, you’d have a point.
How are any of you self proclaimed Fleming sticklers even fans of the films after all this time?
This, probably. Irish accent notwithstanding! Bulk him up a bit, get him channelling Dalton and I can see it. I could definitely see him in period adaptations of authentic Fleming.
I think that those folk should probably have realised after 60 years that the images they see in their heads when reading one of these books aren't ever going to appear on the screen, not least because everyone sees it slightly differently, but mainly because these are adaptations and always have been; never perfect slavish translations. It would seem odd to only be noticing that now.
I think there are very few of us here who are fans of the books foremost, and chances are a good deal of those came to the books because they encountered the films first and enjoyed them. Yes, I'm sure there are a few and one of them will probably reply to this pointing out that they read the books first and love them more, and that's great; but if I look at the most recently active threads on this page of this 007 forum I can't see a single one which pertains to the Fleming novels.
I know I'm a fan of the films moreso than the books so I'm happy for them to continue as they always have: keeping an eye on the original source but also remembering that they've added an awful lot to the idea and success of the character themselves, and hopefully they'll continue adding more in future.
Nailed it in one, I think.
Absolutely, and they’ll never be anything but set in the present (Wilson & Broccoli even confirmed that in an interview just the other day).
The audience want jokes and Q gadgets and expensive suits and outlandish lairs and all of the other things which Eon either extrapolated and expanded upon from the books, or just completely added.
1. Do you imagine him seducing the likes of Eva Green, Lea Seydoux, Monica Bellucci, Berenice Marlohe, Halle Berry, Sophie Marceau...?
2. Would he hold his own on screen against the likes of Javier Bardem, Mads Mikkelsen, Giancarlo Giannini, Judi Dench, Christoph Waltz, Robert Davi...?
3. Can he pass as Scaramanga, Sir Hilary Bray, Taro Torodoki, Dr. Arkov, Peter Franks, Colonel Toro, Arlington Beech, Klaus Hergescheimer of G Section?
If a candidate doesn't pass 3/3 on this test, they need not apply.
But can we at least hold off on suggesting he’s the second coming of Pierce Brosnan, Timothy Dalton or even Sean Connery till after he’s been cast.
He might not become the next James Bond. So be prepared to be let down. Let’s not get ahead of ourselves just yet. ;)