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Hey, maybe the next Lassie could be a Chihuahua, or a Pug. They're all dogs, anyways. If a Yorkshire Terrier can jump around and hurdle sheep, why can't he play Lassie? Maybe he's the better dog for the part. Heck, Lassie was female character played by a male dog, so, why the hell not?
And the next Poppins should definitely be played by Yalita Aparicio, because she's a brilliant actress, of course. Or by Henry Golding. Perfect casting right there! He'd nail the accent. Can he sing?
Superman, though, I'm thinking Dwayne Johnson could do it. Minus the black coma of hair, but who cares, right?
No, it's not just a difference of opinion, my friend @Denbigh, it's the difference between thinking straight or askew. Between people with agendas and people that know how to respect an artist labor without turning it into a political matter. All of these people, Babs, Eilish, Craig,..., they're only saying these things because it's not PC to say otherwise. That is censorship to a T. That is fear mongering. And I'm a liberal leftist here. I just don't get why people don't get this. Probably because of a massive lack of neurons and too many personal axes to grind.
Bond was written as caucasian, any alteration to that is racism and a blatant disrespect for intelectual property.
But I'll abstain from commenting about this any further.
Interesting article about Brosnan as Bond.
Actually no, you are incorrect. It definitely does resemble a cult. It's called the woke movement, which is part of the PC movement which has been plaguing the world for quite a while now. People like pierce2daniel are oblivious to the fact their constant repeating of the same schtick doesn't work, as it comes over as forceful. Why should we be okay with their views when they're devoid of any logic and reason? A lot of people are sick and tired of it quite frankly. Change certainly is not always better, most of the times it's just different and different certainly isn't always better.
And I'm not saying that you can't present your opinions also, but reverting to descriptions of "cultist" behaviour and "woke" culture is just a flat statement that's just an attempt to tie up everyone's opinions into an agenda. To be honest, this idea of "woke" has been more sold by the people who are against it, than the people who are just trying to make what they believe to be positive changes.
Also just to add I'm not so opposed to the idea of a casting a black actor that I wouldn't give it a chance, I just don't know if they will do it or if they should do it, but I'm also aware of how you never know if something will work unless you try.
The way I see it. If before Bond 26, there are two actors; one black and one white who are both up for James Bond. If the black actor is the better of the two after all the auditions, I'm going to give it to him. Simple.
Having the role of a white dude played by a black woman won't solve racism and/or sexism.
The creation of new roles for different races and genders will.
Oh, sorry, I said I wouldn't speak about it anymore. I'll gently move along to NTTD threads. Cheerio.
But they are not limited to only two actors. When there is not a single white actor on the planet who is capable of playing James Bond, then it might be time to look to a different ethnic/racial group.
Too often black actors are proposed for two reasons, to prove or display, self perceived "open mindedness", or simply to be provocative and stir the pot.
...and again I'm not trying to say you guys are wrong, but I think jumping on people quite nastily for thinking differently is unnecessary.
And the problem with thinking that of black actors in movies, is that it spoils any chance of being able to have black actors as big characters in big franchises, because every time we do it's considered provocative and stirring the pot? I'm not saying it's not done for that reason ever, but if we assume that every time, how we ever just gonna let these things happen naturally?
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I agree. When there is not a single white actor on the planet who is capable of playing James Bond, then it might be time to look to a different ethnic/racial group. Until then stick to Fleming.
B Jordan is also American which is a double fail. He’s literally totally unsuitable!! It’s hilarious to suggest him. Literally the same as suggesting Colin Firth as Shaft! Ha ha ha ha!
As for Michael B. Jordan..meh, I mean don't get me wrong he's a good actor and I like him in Creed but I just don't see him as bond due to not really having the look or feel, His background and well he's a black actor which imo Bond shouldn't be potrayed by, only because Bond has been white since 1953 and imo it should stay that way as it's a long since established rule of the character.
Good post. Albeit I’d take Tom Hiddleston or Aidan Turner as Bond if Fassbender isn’t chosen.
Remember as well as not looking like Bond, B Jordan is American and I can only think of one American actor who can do a convincing ‘British’ accent (John Lithgow in the Crown). An Englishman see through all the awful fakes, Americans just can’t get it right!
You were doing so well with Fassbender, hugely charismatic actor, serious acting chops, then your second choice is an already Bond reject with all the charisma of a block of wood.
If this who you settle for as Bond I can see why ou dislike Craig in the role.
Thankfully BB won't be returning to that plank of wood.
Actually no, you are incorrect. It definitely does resemble a cult. It's called the woke movement, which is part of the PC movement which has been plaguing
What you mean, basically (and what has become evident), with a lot of words, is that there are (at least) two types of Bond fans:
- The literal hardcore (apparently) fans who follow the 'scripture' of Fleming, who do not wish to stray (at least far) from the source material.
- The somewhat more 'relaxed' fan who appreciate Bond for he is and where he comes from, but aren't adverse to change.
To each his own, but I know I will forever be in the first camp, unlike yourself, which is okay.
I am rooted in the first camp.
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Agreed.
Count me in.
Although I wouldn't call Fleming's work "scripture". As a good atheist that I am, I only call it source material. And I am strong defender of Intelectual property. Let's not jump from one "cult" to another, shall we? ;)
Some people want Bond to be black because they think it'd be new and fresh, or they think that to change the backstory to that extent isn't that much of a problem. Like myself. That doesn't mean I'm woke or part of a cult.
And I do appreciate Fleming's work and love when the franchise honours it, but to me, changing Bond's ethnicity isn't something that would diminish that. Bond's backstory and the race of his family has never had any real impact on the movies, apart from Skyfall, but even that didn't outright say where his parents came from.
As long as he's a British agent, I'm happy. The only thing that could piss me off is if they cast an American actor. If he's a black British actor, I'll take it. Thank you.
Now, do I think they will do it with the next James Bond? No. Do I think it could happen in the future? Of course.
I'm just trying to be realistic.
Colour blind casting is more and more common whether some like it or not. Dev Patel just played David Copperfield. These are fictional characters. EON can cast whoever they want as Bond. People need to calm down and accept that roles traditionally played by white actors are now increasingly being cast on a colour blind basis. Deal with it is what I say.
Dev Patel just played David Copperfield!! Hahahaha! Laughable really.
To be fair I won’t have to deal with it as I wouldn’t be watching it.
What’s next Hugh Grant as the ‘Black Panther’!
A black Bond will come to pass. If they get the casting right people will deal with it and the world will continue to rotate on its axis. Fleming will spin in his grave but I suspect he wouldn't have approved of an Irish Bond either and look how that panned out.
In addition many Bond fans will still support and see the film, I'll be one of them.
I posted a page or so back about the fact I believe a black male actor will one day play Bond. Not that I lobby for it to happen or even that I want it to. I just believe it will.
Fleming was a pragmatist who wanted the films to make money and he deliberately limited his involvement with them. He was prepared to accept Jimmy Stewart as Bond if Hitchcock directed. That is far more outrageous to me than any of the suggestions in this thread!