The Next American President Thread (2016)

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  • edited November 2016 Posts: 1,631
    chrisisall wrote: »
    dalton wrote: »
    I very much doubt that Trump will be impeached. Now that he's in office and has most certainly had a massive reality check (no doubt provided by his first security briefing and his meetings with Congressional leaders), I don't see a Republican-led Congress having the appetite to impeach him. Quite the opposite, in fact, as I'd imagine they're licking their chops now that they have a president who is clearly going to be in over his head and who they can, perhaps in a relatively short period of time, turn into their puppet.
    Well, I think they'll throw him under the bus when his court s**t comes up. But actually, it will work for them either way, I guess.

    It is always possible that some of his court dealings could become problematic and force that issue. I think all things being equal, though, they'd rather have an uninformed puppet in office that they can mold any way they see fit. Pence will play ball, as his political career was dead before Trump had 18 other people refuse the VP job ahead of him, but he might be a bit more difficult to control because he does have some knowledge about how Washington works.
  • "Puppet? No puppet....no puppet... You're the puppet!" Trump's greatest debate comeback.


    I knew Paul Simon had been one of the co-writers of this song (big radio hit in the mid-sixties for the Cyrkle) but I had no idea Simon & Garfunkle had performed it. Until now.
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    Surely their is a strong conflict of interest with President Elect Trump having a number of Family members on his transition team? I also don't see these protests ending anytime soon either?
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
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    I love this General Music Thread...just fabulous...

    one of the highlights of this year...

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  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    I love this General Music Thread...just fabulous...

    one of the highlights of this year...

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    Wait, you forgot to connect it to something you've said relating to politics.

    These democrats are like a bunch of zombies. They didn't see Trump coming.

  • edited November 2016 Posts: 3,566
    You want Zombies, Mendes? I gotcha Zombies right here! Plenty of good choices: "Tell Her No" or "She's Not There" ...but I'm going with "Time of the Season."



    Lotsa pretty girls in this one, Jason. I think you'll like it.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
    edited November 2016 Posts: 24,145
    If I could facetiously throw in some random youtube video to lighten the mood (or not), but instead I'm going to let a man who's much more eloquent than I could ever hope to be speak up:



    And with that, I promise to try to leave this thread for what it is.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    Mean man has an ugly face. :))
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    for you @Murdock and everybody who has good taste...

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  • edited November 2016 Posts: 6,601
    So, you decided to leaave this thread BEFORE answering my question, Dimi? Why are people so scared? Can't you bring yourself to admitting, that thr accusations are true? I mean, its almost common knowledge by now for those, who care to inform themselves and not just some mean accusations out of the blue.

    What's so difficult? It doesn't make Trump a better man, if that is your concern. He remains what he is in your eyes, so...
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
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    Best Trump(et) in the world.

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  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    Free-dom? It is a Yang worship word- you will not SPEAK it!
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    I'm sorry, @Germanlady, I must have overlooked your post while typing my own.

    I'm sure what Trump has said about Hilary and co has some truth in it. In fact, I'm not, by any means, a fan of Hilary. But she is the lesser of two evils in my opinion, whose understanding of the world and of politics far exceeds that of Trump. She, at least, could have been a competent president, no matter what dirt can be dug up about her. A great leader needs not be someone with a clean record for me; he or she needs to be capable first and foremost. So it's perfectly possible that what Trump told us about her is mostly true or even 100 % true, but that still doesn't necessarily mean he's the better candidate in my opinion.

    Look, I can't change things so let Trump be president. "Democracy" - and I've never thought of democracy as perfect - has done its job, even if it is in a twisted and mathematically curious way. We're stuck with him and I include us both in the "we" since his presidency may influence our lives just as well. I sincerely hope he can make things better. I wouldn't want to see the man fail just to prove a point.

    But it's a binary thing:
    - either he strikes hard and with fury, as he promised during his campaign, and then he's going to be an obnoxious, fascist leader who will damage the entire planet once more, just like the Bushes;

    - or he sheds his wolf's skin and turns out surprisingly decent, in which case he lied his way into office and Americans might just as well have voted for Clinton, since she always was the calmer, more modest and more realistic of them both.

    People seem to think this is a tiebreaker, the historical moment when the people take back power, with Trump as a capitalist who suddenly turned into a Robin Hood for the middle class, who will successfully defend America against foreign treads and clean it up domestically as well. I fail to see where this naive enthusiasm comes from. He steamrolled through his campaign, using Medieval logic, approaching his target demographic like an arrogant pontiff, and now that he has somewhat lowered his voice, I should simply assume that he will be the first politician ever to actually do as he claimed and listen to the people rather than to the few who are really in charge? Clinton may not be without faults, she may have been one of the weakest candidates the democrats have had in decades. But she understands that in this day and age, sudden decisions, impulsive decisions, are worth nothing. Long-term solutions typically cause short-term friction. Short-term solutions typically result in long-term problems. What's good for the economy is typically damaging to the environment. What's good for our planet is typically bad for the economy. Military ambitions may provoke retaliations; military immobility may result in protests and domestic problems... The world has become impossibly complicated. It takes someone who's not afraid of nuance and compromises to allow a nation to survive in the best possible way under his or her leadership. Trump has never shown any nuance. He thinks in black and white, in absolutes and simple terms. Hilary may have dirt on her hands, I'm not going to claim she hasn't, but in my humble opinion she understands the complexity of the world far better than Trump does. If Trump's campaign suggest anything about how he's going to deal with things, some will profit but many will lose. You can never please an entire nation, let alone the entire world, but you can, at the very least, try to minimize the negative impact of your decisions. Trump simply stigmatised groups of people Hitler style. He ignorantly reduced Brussels to a 'failed state', totally infected by terrorism, simply because he doesn't know what he's talking about yet this is precisely the kind of simple, moronic truths he needed to appeal to the masses, who swallowed this down like doughnuts.

    One last time: what if all the things he revealed about Hilary are true? I will concede she's far from flawless. The moment Hilary got elected as the presidential candidate for the democrats, I called it a day and hoped for the best, because I knew that a mistake with historical consequences was made. Despite all that, she remained the lesser of these two evils in my opinion.

    Hopefully I have answered your question, GL. :) Look, it's fine. We don't see things the same way. I'm not going to battle it out any longer. We're peripherally involved anyway, you and I. I guess time will tell - and time WILL tell. Granted, change is needed in many respects. My only fear is, the kind of change Trump may or may not introduce, may not be the kind we need.

    Signing off from this thread now. :-) Good luck to America.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    Awesome, thoughtful & insightful post @ DarthDimi. As usual.
  • edited November 2016 Posts: 3,566
    @DarthDimi for President! And thanks for the Herb Alpert track, @Jason. Here's another, I'm in a Casino Royale '67 mood at the moment... So I give you: Herb & the Tijuana Brass participating in a "strange American ritual" --

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    Thanks Dimi for your reply. No, we won't agree, but that's fine. As you say - time will tell.

    Still - I don't get, how anyone can believe to an extend those accusations and still think, she is the lesser evil. She prooved, she is evil, Trump - so far - with all his corrupte business politics doesn't even come close to that. Give him a chane, for **** sake.
  • stagstag In the thick of it!
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    And the award for the best post of the thread goes to @DarthDimi.

    Personally I think those around him will strive to insulate Trump from actual decision making on many issues. We have seen U turns on a few subjects thus far and the manner to which the tone of his presidency will be set might just have already manifested itself in his speech made during the night of his win. A speech which will have been written for him. He could have chosen to ignore that speech but went with it knowing the text contradicted the manner of his campaign up to that point. He will have been advised heaily every inch of the way since winning - his meeting with Obama and even his words about the demonstrators are perhaps other indicators of just how much he will be steered by unseen hands.
  • edited November 2016 Posts: 6,601
    Not too shabby

    After only two days of Trump:

    Syrian President Assad calls for cooperation with th United States

    Putin says Russia ready to restore postive relations with the USA, preventing the second Cold War to start

    Canada and Mexico agree to cooperate with Trump on renegotiating or scrapping NAFTA

    White House plans to abandon TPP and TTIP

    Dow Jones at an All time High
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
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    Now's The Time after five days after November 8th.

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  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
    edited November 2016 Posts: 9,020
    We are all Damned




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    Run into some protesters on the train from NYC yesterday. All of them couldn't be any older than 15 years old.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    These people found nothing to protest against until now?
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
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    What do you mean?

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    These people found nothing to protest against until now?

    They are just using their democratic rights before they are taken away by people that disagree with.

    ;)
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    Who knows, how much they got paid. Its not, that I doubt, there are real protestors, but imagine, you just lost this - you would try to play out exactly a thing like this.
  • edited November 2016 Posts: 3,566
    "Why don't we go away, have a message, and come back?" --Dick Cavett

    "We are all outlaws in the eyes of America" --The Jefferson Airplane



    Broadcast the day after Woodstock. Those who cannot remember history are doomed to repeat it.
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
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    Oh, baby, baby
    How was I supposed to know
    That something wasn't right here?
    Oh, baby, baby
    I shouldn't have let you go
    And now you're out of sight, yeah
    Show me how you want it to be
    Tell me, baby,
    'Cause I need to know now, oh, because...
    My loneliness is killing me (and I)
    I must confess, I still believe (still believe)
    When I'm not with you I lose my mind
    Give me a sign
    Hit me, baby, one more time

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    Germanlady wrote: »
    Who knows, how much they got paid. Its not, that I doubt, there are real protestors, but imagine, you just lost this - you would try to play out exactly a thing like this.


    @-) ^#(^
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
    edited November 2016 Posts: 17,789
    jobo wrote: »
    Germanlady wrote: »
    Who knows, how much they got paid. Its not, that I doubt, there are real protestors, but imagine, you just lost this - you would try to play out exactly a thing like this.


    @-) ^#(^
    Oh c'mon, she's just playing with us. She's doing conspiracy theory nut to get us going is all.
    :))
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