Who should/could be a Bond actor?

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  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    Tuulia wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    This is an interesting discussion about accents. I can imagine that industry people, like the rest of us, form impressions of actors based on what they see of them in other roles or in interviews etc. That's perhaps why so many get typecast.

    If so then presumably a distinctive accent, as opposed to one which is more typical, may preemptively eliminate them from consideration for certain roles. After all, how many of these directors are going to go out of their way to determine if an actor can change up his/her accent? I wonder.

    I think pretty much any actor is in danger of being typecast, and they have a lot of responsibility in that themselves as well, in what kinds of roles they seek/take. Most actors probably genuinely care about acting (beyond just paychecks for anything) and have ambition and interest to play different types of roles. Picking similar stuff probably brings further offers of similar stuff. Obviously it isn't simple to just choose different stuff - there may not be much to choose from at all, and actors gotta pay their bills, too. So it can be tricky.

    Typecasting can happen to anyone starting out, as well as to anyone known for a certain thing or who has been particularly successful at something if they let it happen.
    See for instance Matthew McConaughey and romantic comedies; apparently successful (god knows why, absolutely terrible movies), so the offers kept coming and he accepted, and made money - pretty easy, but ultimately boring and unsatisfying I suppose. When he then started saying no to those movies, it took a while for him to start getting much other, completely different and more demanding stuff offered again. Since he already had the money, he could afford to wait. Not everyone ever has that luxury, but actors also have a responsibility themselves as well in what they do in the first place. (McConaughey chose to get into that rut himself.)
    They tried to (somewhat) typecast Christian Bale once upon a time - thank goodness for Mary Harron; problem sorted. But the actor needed to really want it, too - first to get to do it (not a simple process, even after convincing the director), and then to deliver. But typecasting is a bitch, who'd wanna be a slave to it if they can avoid it, so fighting to be free from it is worth it.

    For some reason (I hate to say laziness and lack of imagination, but what else?) many directors (the same with everyone else) often see actors in roles that at least somewhat resemble something they've done before. - Regardless of accent. - So getting to do something entirely different may require a director with more imagination or insight. It's hard to prove you can do something very different from what you've done before if nobody believes you can and actually lets you do it.

    Now, about accents... I find it hard to believe that directors - and casting directors - would mostly just assume that an actor likely can't do another accent unless they have proof. Accents are often a part of an actors job after all, and the information is surely provided anyway, and most (I think most) directors do auditions anyway. I don't think they'd need to "go out of their way" to find out about an actor's ability with accents anymore than to find out about their ability to otherwise fit the potential role.

    And actors don't just magically acquire accents anyway, they learn them when they need to, and that's why dialect coaches exist. Some actors just either aren't very good at that stuff, or don't bother, but the assumption surely should rather be that actors learn accents, like they learn the other stuff they need for a role, rather than "oh, they speak like that there, I suppose that's the only accent they can do." Productions hire dialect coaches, just like they hire people to teach actors choreography whether dancing or fighting, to teach them to handle horses, guns, whatever.
    I agree with your points. I think it probably is incumbent upon the actor to seek out diverse roles, although agree also that it may be difficult practically, as they live paycheck to paycheck and may have to take what they get at the start in order to make ends meet, even if that means being typecast. I suppose it's a balance.

    Your point about McConaughey is well taken. I noticed that he went quiet for a while earlier in his career, and presumably that was so he could reposition himself for more critically preferable roles. It worked out for him - fortunately - but was risky.

    Regarding accents, not being in the industry I don't know either way. I hope the casting and film directors spread their wings and seek out talent that the general public may not expect. That's when we get pleasantly surprised by the eventual result and where it is unpredictable, which is always a good thing in my book. Having said that, as you note, accents aren't always easy to learn. It takes time and coaching, and some may just not be able to pull it off convincingly despite that. So I wouldn't be surprised if few would be given a chance without advance proof that they could do it.
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    boldfinger wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    boldfinger wrote: »
    I´d love to see a Bond film tailored to Hiddleston´s strengths. He could be a Right updated Version of Moore in a way, playing it smooth, not emphasizing too much the brute.
    I´m Kind of contradicting what I wrote just above now, am I not ;-)?
    I've always thought he could be good, if he put on some muscle and cleaned up his off camera act, which can be a bit needy at times.
    Hiddleston shouldn´t be too muscular. He was in Kong Skull Island, and it made him look artificial. He´s a smooth guy, that´s what they should build around. And then have him work hard with a really good fight choreographer to make the physical Scenes look visceral.

    Agree. If he for some reason ends up being cast (I'm not totally against it, but there are other actors I rather see in the role), then a lean physique – like he has in The Night Manager, but with well choreographed fighting might be the way to go.
    I generally agree. I'm a fan of a lean look in general. I was more thinking in terms of public expectations these days. I also am a big proponent of fight choreography and think it can make a world of difference. As an example, Fassbender wasn't particularly built when he went at it with Gina Carano in Haywire, and it's one heck of a fight despite this.
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    bondjames wrote: »
    As an example, Fassbender wasn't particularly built when he went at it with Gina Carano in Haywire, and it's one heck of a fight despite this.
    I agree with you completely on this. But I have to say, she was built, and that fight turned out the way it did. But yes, I fully agree on the lean look.

  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    Univex wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    As an example, Fassbender wasn't particularly built when he went at it with Gina Carano in Haywire, and it's one heck of a fight despite this.
    I agree with you completely on this. But I have to say, she was built, and that fight turned out the way it did. But yes, I fully agree on the lean look.
    It's true. She is a trained pro and I'm sure it elevated things. That tube encounter in FF6 with Michelle Rodriguez is excellent too.
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    Yes, the Haywire fight is a good example of a "lean built fighting sequence", if you can call it that. Fassbender looked like he could jump straight into a Bond production based on his looks in that movie.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    Yes, the Haywire fight is a good example of a "lean built fighting sequence", if you can call it that. Fassbender looked like he could jump straight into a Bond production based on his looks in that movie.
    His Bond look in that movie was very intentional. He was deliberately made to look like Fleming's Bond, from his facial expressions right up to the falling hair coma. Made me really wish to see him as Bond after Craig a few years ago.
  • Personally, I'm very intrigued by Alexander Skarsgard...
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    Also, I think Jamie Dornan has something. But he looks weird without a beard...
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    Yes, the Haywire fight is a good example of a "lean built fighting sequence", if you can call it that. Fassbender looked like he could jump straight into a Bond production based on his looks in that movie.
    His Bond look in that movie was very intentional. He was deliberately made to look like Fleming's Bond, from his facial expressions right up to the falling hair coma. Made me really wish to see him as Bond after Craig a few years ago.

    Good point. Haven't actually thought about that, but you're probably right – he did have a Fleming Bond quality to his looks in Haywire.
    Personally, I'm very intrigued by Alexander Skarsgard...
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    Also, I think Jamie Dornan has something. But he looks weird without a beard...

    A Swedish Bond? Why not! Alexander Skarsgård – like his father, is a good actor, and wouldn't be a bad pick. At 1,94 m, he would certainly have the physicality on his side too. The major issue (if you look past that he isn't at all a Brit or of Commonwealth origin), is that he's 42 years old.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    Skarsgård was surprisingly good as Tarzan.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    I'm looking forward to The Little Drummer Girl, which stars both Skarsgard and Max Irons. I like Skarsgard's look in general, but haven't seen him in anything so can't comment on his onscreen charisma.

    I'm not keen on Dornan I'm afraid.

    What do folks think of Sam Heughan? I posted his interview from a few days back earlier where he said he auditioned for the part in 2005. Did others know about that? It was certainly news to me.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    Wouldn’t mind Skarsgard. Not an ideal choice of mine, but I do enjoy the fella in leading roles. A prime example, other than his Tarzan film, was War On Everyone. A black comedy in which he played his role in a very likable but otherwise rugged anti-heroic manner.
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    bondjames wrote: »
    I'm looking forward to The Little Drummer Girl, which stars both Skarsgard and Max Irons. I like Skarsgard's look in general, but haven't seen him in anything so can't comment on his onscreen charisma.

    I'm not keen on Dornan I'm afraid.

    What do folks think of Sam Heughan? I posted his interview from a few days back earlier where he said he auditioned for the part in 2005. Did others know about that? It was certainly news to me.

    Saw that interview the other day. I've never seen Heughan in anything so I can't say much about his acting. I don't think he remotely looks like a Bond in that interview though. Says he's auditioned for CR. He must have been only about 25 at the time.
    That said though, get rid of the beard, give him a proper Fleming-esque Bond haircut and put him in a well tailored suit ( not one that's too small), and I think he may have more potential that some of the other names mentioned.

    Part of what's turning me away from so many of these names are today's fashions, which, IMO are pretty far removed from Bond. Ryan Seacrest's wardrobe in that interview for instance looks typical of what we're seeing today. Put Pierce Brosnan in that outfit and I think he'd probably look ridiculous. In fact Seacrest looks like a guy nearing middle age who is trying to look young and trendy. Heughan doesn't look much like Bond in the outfit he was sporting. This is probably why I have to really squint to see Bondian potential in most of the names mentioned.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    bondjames wrote: »

    What do folks think of Sam Heughan? I posted his interview from a few days back earlier where he said he auditioned for the part in 2005. Did others know about that? It was certainly news to me.

    This goes to show that not everything is leaked and that the number of actors who actually do an a audition is larger than it would appear.
    Now I’m sure there’s a difference between an audition and a formal screentest.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    I heard somewhere that even Toby Stephens was auditioned for Bond circa 2005. I don't know if it's true or not, but it'd be very interesting to hear more about it.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    ToTheRight wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    I'm looking forward to The Little Drummer Girl, which stars both Skarsgard and Max Irons. I like Skarsgard's look in general, but haven't seen him in anything so can't comment on his onscreen charisma.

    I'm not keen on Dornan I'm afraid.

    What do folks think of Sam Heughan? I posted his interview from a few days back earlier where he said he auditioned for the part in 2005. Did others know about that? It was certainly news to me.

    Saw that interview the other day. I've never seen Heughan in anything so I can't say much about his acting. I don't think he remotely looks like a Bond in that interview though. Says he's auditioned for CR. He must have been only about 25 at the time.
    That said though, get rid of the beard, give him a proper Fleming-esque Bond haircut and put him in a well tailored suit ( not one that's too small), and I think he may have more potential that some of the other names mentioned.

    Part of what's turning me away from so many of these names are today's fashions, which, IMO are pretty far removed from Bond. Ryan Seacrest's wardrobe in that interview for instance looks typical of what we're seeing today. Put Pierce Brosnan in that outfit and I think he'd probably look ridiculous. In fact Seacrest looks like a guy nearing middle age who is trying to look young and trendy. Heughan doesn't look much like Bond in the outfit he was sporting. This is probably why I have to really squint to see Bondian potential in most of the names mentioned.
    I saw him in The Spy Who Dumped Me a few nights back. He was well tailored, coiffed and Bondian in that (he played an MI6 spy) and it got me thinking. I'd never seen potential in him before but I could now be convinced. His voice is a bit weak though, imho.

    I agree with you on today's attire as well. This slim pant/jacket look only works aesthetically on some imho. It's not for everyone. I personally prefer a regular cut myself.
    talos7 wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »

    What do folks think of Sam Heughan? I posted his interview from a few days back earlier where he said he auditioned for the part in 2005. Did others know about that? It was certainly news to me.

    This goes to show that not everything is leaked and that the number of actors who actually do an a audition is larger than it would appear.
    Now I’m sure there’s a difference between an audition and a formal screentest.
    That's a good point, and I wonder what exactly he was referring to (test vs. audition). It seems as though they cast quite a wide net in 2005 due to the nature of the reboot. Lots of variety, with the likes of Cavill, Heughan, Jackman and Craig in the mix, among others.
    I heard somewhere that even Toby Stephens was auditioned for Bond circa 2005. I don't know if it's true or not, but it'd be very interesting to hear more about it.
    Toby could have been good imho. I realize he hammed it up for DAD, but he has something to him.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    bondjames wrote: »
    I heard somewhere that even Toby Stephens was auditioned for Bond circa 2005. I don't know if it's true or not, but it'd be very interesting to hear more about it.
    Toby could have been good imho. I realize he hammed it up for DAD, but he has something to him.
    Indeed. He still provides the voice-over for Bond in the radio adaptations of Fleming's novels.
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    bondjames wrote: »
    I heard somewhere that even Toby Stephens was auditioned for Bond circa 2005. I don't know if it's true or not, but it'd be very interesting to hear more about it.
    Toby could have been good imho. I realize he hammed it up for DAD, but he has something to him.
    Indeed. He still provides the voice-over for Bond in the radio adaptations of Fleming's novels.

    Toby Stephens would have been a great Bond, IMO. Shame he's already played a villain.

    Re. Heughan: I wonder how far he got, and what EON thought of his audition. Never seen him in anything, unfortunately.
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    Cary Grant would have made a great Bond.
  • Blofeld0064Blofeld0064 Milford, Michigan
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    LeChiffre wrote: »
    Cary Grant would have made a great Bond.

    Except bond would have just been a cary grant character instead of his own identity.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    LeChiffre wrote: »
    Cary Grant would have made a great Bond.

    Except bond would have just been a cary grant character instead of his own identity.
    Agreed. As much as I like and enjoy Cary Grant, he couldn't have pulled it off. He's not the type to begin with.
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    bondjames wrote: »
    I'm looking forward to The Little Drummer Girl, which stars both Skarsgard and Max Irons. I like Skarsgard's look in general, but haven't seen him in anything so can't comment on his onscreen charisma.

    I'm not keen on Dornan I'm afraid.

    What do folks think of Sam Heughan? I posted his interview from a few days back earlier where he said he auditioned for the part in 2005. Did others know about that? It was certainly news to me.
    I seem to remember his Name, probably from way back before CR. There have been worse propositions. I think next to Alexander Skarsgard (I´m surprised I didn´t think of him all along) and Dan Stevens Heughen too would be a possibility.




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    LeChiffre wrote: »
    Cary Grant would have made a great Bond.
    Cary Grant is one of the most charming actors ever, but he´s got this hideous kyphosis which in my book disqualifies him as Bond. I´m Pretty sure he had some lung illness or something in his earlier years, thus no Bodybuilding would have done away with that.

  • SuperintendentSuperintendent A separate pool. For sharks, no less.
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    bondjames wrote: »
    It seems as though they cast quite a wide net in 2005 due to the nature of the reboot. Lots of variety, with the likes of Cavill, Heughan, Jackman and Craig in the mix, among others.

    According to Wikipedia, they considered more than 200 actors. Not all of them were screentested, I believe.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casino_Royale_(2006_film)#Casting

  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    Still believe that Hugh Jackman was a huge missed opportunity. There’s often discussion about having a light hearted, Moore like Bond or a more intense, at times brutal 007 , like Craig.
    There really is no reason there can’t be both; it would obviously require the right directors and writers, but more importantly the right actor. Jackman is one of the few that can pull this off effortlessly, and is as skilled with the lighter material as he is being one of the most intimidating actors in film today. It’s rare that one person can skillfully pull of both.
  • RoadphillRoadphill United Kingdom
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    My wife loves a rom-com (I forget the name) in which Hugh Jackman plays an English gent from the past that ends up in present day America. It's a vapid, powderpuff film but Jackman's old style English accent was excellent. He would have been a great Bond.

    I would have probably preferred him, or another fellow Aussie who was linked, Eric Bana, to Craig. Alas we got who did and most where pleased.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    Kate & Leopold... I think.
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    Although I really like CR and QoS, the last two films are all the way at the bottom for me – one of the main reasons being tone. I have a feeling that we'd see something slightly more lighthearted with Jackman, as he has an effortless delivery in these sort of scenes (a quality Craig lacks, IMO). Agree that Jackman was a huge missed opportunity.
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    According to Hugh Jackman, he turned down Bond since:

    'I just felt at the time that the scripts has become so unbelievable and crazy, and I felt like they needed to become grittier and real.'

    So, I'm not sure Mr. Jackman would have wanted lighter material, in this alternative universe of he being Bond. I can see him being very clear on what he wanted, and what he wanted is where the series went anyways. If anything, I can see him doing more of the throw away lines of Connery, not anything remotely close to resembling Moore or Brosnan.

    However, I'm wondering how serious EoN was on him, since the Bond talk seems to be nothing more than a conversation he had with his agent, and not necessarily anything close to a sit down with Barbara, Michael, or anyone at EoN.

    But I agree, he's an amazing actor and would have made a brilliant 007.
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    Alexander Skarsgård could play villain or Bond saw him recently in Hold the Dark, impressively cold as a killer.
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    Skarsgård is awesome villain material.
  • RoadphillRoadphill United Kingdom
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    Kate & Leopold... I think.

    @ClarkDevlin That's the one.
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