The Next American President Thread (2016)

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  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    Licence to kill reference. ;)
  • Ah. Of course. Thanks, @Murdock.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    Ecuador admit they cut off Julian Assange s internet connection, because the latest leaks, such as Clinton s Goldman Sachs speech, were interfering with the US election. And more was promised. It just took a phone call from old Flickering Tongue, apparently.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    Now that's a wall I can get behind. Bring on the tacos! :D
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    Here we are again, folks. To the circus we go, one last time...
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
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    No handshake, let alone mere eye-contact between the two contenders.
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    Hillary is starting to lose it a bit with the boarders question
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
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    I'll say this, she looks great in a nehru jacket.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    My reactions for both candidates:

    Hillary didn't choke like she needed to avoid doing, and wasn't caught in any big corners. Her heavy debate prep showed, I think a bit too much, actually. There is a certain distance that is felt when she speaks, and after hearing Michelle Obama speak with such passion and genuine, heartfelt emotion earlier this week about female empowerment and the good of the nation, Hillary just doesn't connect a fourth as much. I don't doubt she cares about kids and family, as she's dedicated her entire adult career to those interests in law and government positions, it's just that when she talks at times-much like her running mate Tim Kaine-she comes off as a car salesman trying to pawn off a right clunker with two flat tires to a prospective buyer who is hesitant and knows better.

    As for Trump, he didn't falter, and it was probably his best performance of the bunch. In the first debate his amateur nature showed in his mannerisms and the traps he fell in sprung too obviously by Clinton. In debate #2, his body language was the worst of all time in a televised presidential debate, and he came off as creepy and petty in his overall performance, while inarguably nailing a few reality show-styled zingers on Clinton for his bloodthirsty base to chomp on who eat that stuff for breakfast, brunch, lunch, dinner, and as a midnight snack.

    In tonight's debate Trump got great hits in on Clinton a few times, and this time around, his posture and tone was in command, and he didn't hijack questions to set up ad hominem attacks on the Clintons as much as he usually does. It was a policy focused response from him on the whole, and I was surprised he didn't attack more, so he learned restraint in some ways and probably listened more to his team than usual in some respects. Trump's numbers would've improved far more in polling I think, if at the end he didn't resort to the big debacle surrounding his refusal to say if he would concede the victory to Clinton in the event of his loss. That moment was his time to show that for all the warts of the campaign and heated attacks between him and Clinton, he was still willing to man up and say, "you win, fair and square" if he ended up short of the mark in November. I think the recent remarks he made about a rigged election made him unable to turn around and say, "if this thing is fair, I'll concede it," tonight because in his mind, he doesn't view the race as fair. He now thinks the "hard work" he's put in for over a year and all the surprises and shake-ups he brought to the political system are now being undone and robbed from him, so he is now unable to even lie and tell the public he'll accept the loss. After all, he's a winner to a fault in his mind, and losing just doesn't even appear as a possibility in his head, he's so prideful of his movement. Hence the predicament he's into now, where he refuses to imagine another result other than a landslide on his side.

    It'll be interesting to see how the polls shift after tonight. I think by most estimates Clinton led by 8 or 9 points before this, and I think after tonight, with Clinton playing it largely safe and Trump not goofing erroneously (beyond the election result gaffe), I think that lead will shrink to around 5 points. At this point, it's stupid to make predictions of any kind though, as terrifying as that is to admit to oneself.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
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  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    Shout-out to Chris Wallace as well. Strong and fair moderator, and he didn't let up. It took 3/3 debates to finally get to hardcore policy talk, but Wallace got us there eventually. Good on him.
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
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    As an American I would probably be nervous too concerning a possible President Trump.
    But you shouldn't worry too much, Hillary will win this in a landslide. That was clear since day one.
  • stagstag In the thick of it!
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    Could someone please explain what - if any - positives would Clinton or Trump bring to the role if they made it to the White House? There must be something good about them?
  • Clinton would bring a lifetime of experience in the political arena. Trump would bring his exceptional skills as a con-man.

    RE: The debate. Props to Chris Wallace. He did a first-class job as moderator. We actually got some substantive policy discussion for a bit there.

    Trump has finally, completely gone off the rails with his whole "the election is rigged and I'm not necessarily going to accept the results. I'll keep you in suspense," answer. He contradicts his own running mate and his daughter with this. He confounds and upsets his own party. He insults the entire American electoral process. I'd say, "Stick a fork in him, he's done," but that activity would foul a perfectly good fork. Some people have suggested that he never really wanted to be president, he was just trying to increase the value of the Trump brand...but he just buried the Trump brand in the bovine fertilizer for good & for all. There are going to be an awful lot of hangovers in Trumpland this morning...and it couldn't happen to a more deserving crew.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    Homeland Security takes control of the election, to safeguard against voter fraud. How reassuring.
  • Agent007391Agent007391 Up, Up, Down, Down, Left, Right, Left, Right, B, A, Start
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    I'd say, "Stick a fork in him, he's done," but that activity would foul a perfectly good fork.

    He's already got a stick up his ass, I'd say that's enough.
  • It was an epic, epic meltdown. It was the meltdown against which all future meltdowns in every area of human endeavor will be measured.
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    The focus will be on Paul Ryan and his ability to save House seats by publicly separating the GOP from Trump in the next couple days. Tough job because there's really only 35-40 House seats that could swing either way due to gerrymandering. I think the Senate will go Democratic. But the House remains Republican unless participation is higher than predicted.

    Nice to see Kellyanne Conway back in public after almost a week of hiding out. Those 9 women coming out with their sex charges must have turned her off. MAKE AMERICA GROPE AGAIN. Likewise for someone who proudly proclaimed in the beginning, their money was on Trump. Come out from under the covers.
  • TripAcesTripAces Universal Exports
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    Clinton would bring a lifetime of experience in the political arena. Trump would bring his exceptional skills as a con-man.

    RE: The debate. Props to Chris Wallace. He did a first-class job as moderator. We actually got some substantive policy discussion for a bit there.

    Trump has finally, completely gone off the rails with his whole "the election is rigged and I'm not necessarily going to accept the results. I'll keep you in suspense," answer. He contradicts his own running mate and his daughter with this. He confounds and upsets his own party. He insults the entire American electoral process. I'd say, "Stick a fork in him, he's done," but that activity would foul a perfectly good fork. Some people have suggested that he never really wanted to be president, he was just trying to increase the value of the Trump brand...but he just buried the Trump brand in the bovine fertilizer for good & for all. There are going to be an awful lot of hangovers in Trumpland this morning...and it couldn't happen to a more deserving crew.

    His brand is solid among the "deplorables." Despite everything Trump has said and done, he is continuing to pull 40% of the electorate. His next move is to turn this candidacy into a movement: TV, internet, social media, etc. If you think his campaign is scary, wait until we get a load of his BS being marketed, branded, and sold to those thirsty for blood. It'll make the propaganda on Fox News look tame.

    A third party could eventually rise out of all this, which would be bad for the Republicans.

  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    The Republican party as we know it is dead. They just don't know it yet. It's been painful watching it die, but necessary.
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
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    In two years the USA will be involved in war with Russia over the no-flying zone over Syria.
    One can only hope the Republicans will have both houses so Clinton will be a lame duck President and can't realise her wicked plans.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    bondjames wrote: »
    The Republican party as we know it is dead. They just don't know it yet. It's been painful watching it die, but necessary.
    Yep.
    In two years the USA will be involved in war with Russia over the no-flying zone over Syria.
    One can only hope the Republicans will have both houses so Clinton will be a lame duck President and can't realise her wicked plans.
    The Military Industrial Complex makes the decisions around here pal, not the measly government.
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    In two years the USA will be involved in war with Russia over the no-flying zone over Syria.
    One can only hope the Republicans will have both houses so Clinton will be a lame duck President and can't realise her wicked plans.

    What a moronic statement, you should be worried about the middle east an d the mess created by the last republican President who also used the silly sentiment ïf you are not in favour of us you are against us/"
    Once again you show with your statement how little the US understands the world, especially the senators who are driven by a blinded pro Americanism that has done the world so often more damage than good. Especially since the both houses are ruled by the war industry instead of sensible politicians.

    With Clinton I fear less war than orange shouty man who represents the worst in American, ignorance ruled by stupidity and greed.

  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    Two years? Two weeks is more like it.

    Nuclear war or lewd talk? Hmm, tough decision.
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    Two years? Two weeks is more like it.

    Nuclear war and lewd talk? Hmm, tough decision.

    I corrected your statement.

    ;)
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
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    @SaintMark

    The moronic statement comes from a Swiss, I'm not American.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    It's not a moronic statement. Both these parties are bought and paid for by the MIC. One party is just much better at hiding it.

    Ironically, there is an element of the Republican party (namely relatively new congressmen and women from the Tea Party fringe) who are against nation building and interfering in foreign nations. There was thankfully a lot of pushback from both the house and the senate (both parties) when Obama tried to get his bombing approval after the red line was crossed in 2013. The usual jokers (McCain and Graham) were out there trying to sell it, but most sensible members of congress told them to stuff it because their constituents wanted nothing to do with it.

    So if they're going to start a war (it's likely), they will do it either without approval this time or by pulling the humanitarian card.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
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    The GOP is just trying to survive. They know they will not come out of this well, no matter what.



    Many of you have probably seen this. Bush's letter to Bill Clinton, as he left office and Clinton was about to start his first term as president.
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