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The June 2016 UK Referendum on EU Membership: [UPDATE] What kind of BREXIT do YOU want?

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  • SpectreNumberTwoSpectreNumberTwo
    Posts: 389
    thelivingroyale wrote: »
    SpectreNumberTwo wrote: »
    I'm too f**king old to give a stuff for my own personal circumstances either way, even though with BREXIT my own finances may well be impacted. I voted leave because I truly believe that it will be better for future generations that's all, I care about my grandchildren & their children not yet born, this is not about the next week, month, year or 5 years, it's about the next 50 years.

    Y'know I voted remain but I appreciate this outlook. You're right it is about the future. And personally that makes the result all the more saddening for me given that the majority 18-25 year olds (the people it'll affect the most in the long run, out of those old enough to vote anyway) voted remain whilst the age group that had the highest percentage of leave over remain voters were people over 60. I'm not saying that older people shouldn't have a say, I'm getting into my mid 30s myself I'm not a part of the youngest demographic in this, but I think that not enough people took into consideration who this would affect the most.

    Anyway what I'm trying to say is that I don't agree with the choice that you made, but I respect you for at least making it for good reasons.

    Thank you....

    I'm not yet 60 but it won't be long.
  • thelivingroyalethelivingroyale
    Posts: 12,837
    Ludovico wrote: »
    SpectreNumberTwo wrote: »
    Labour are imploding, that's what happens when you cajole the leader to campaign against his personal will, I believe Jeremy Corbyn was & still is a eurosceptic that's why he couldn't put his heart into remain. The irony is that it would seem that if I'm right, he would appear to be more in step with the feelings of grass roots labour voters than most of the Labour benchs.

    I hope Jeremy Corbyn stays. Like you said he was more in touch with Labour voters (heck, with a majority of voters period) and he had the decency to accept the democratic choice Britain made.

    Add me to the list of people who hope Corbyn stays.
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy My Secret Lair
    Posts: 13,384
    "You take the blue pill, the story ends. You wake up in your bed and believe whatever you want to believe. You take the red pill, you stay in Wonderland, and I show you how deep the rabbit hole goes."

    :)) The remainers want the blue pill, and it's not viagra. :D
  • SpectreNumberTwoSpectreNumberTwo
    edited June 2016 Posts: 389
    Gustav_Graves wrote: »
    So the EU doesn't need to show any willingness at all. The UK is in the driver's seat now. They need to solve this 'problem' first, and not just Scotland, but also Northern-Ireland. But again....where's the Tory leadership? Shameful really.

    You have to understand that Westminster is in chaos, 67% of MP's supported remain & they have to come to terms with the fact that the majority of the nation voted against them, it's only been 3 days, let's see what transpires next week, the Tory leadership have gone AWOL except Dave who has basically thrown in the towel when the nation needed him most.
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy My Secret Lair
    Posts: 13,384
    Fully agree, Cameron is a disgrace :(
  • SpectreNumberTwoSpectreNumberTwo
    edited June 2016 Posts: 389
    @Thunderpussy you said make it awkward for the French, I said knock them out of the euro's, looks like the Republic of Ireland might do the job for us. [-O<

    2 : 1 France :((
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    Posts: 23,883
    He may have thought it made him look gracious, but he looks like a twit. Agreed. This is his to own for the time being, not to run away from like a sissy.
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy My Secret Lair
    Posts: 13,384
    It feels like the conservative government has thrown in the towel. Cameron
    is like a Zombie and Osborne hasn't even been seen since the vote. Makes you
    wonder, just how much of a push over they were in EU negotiations.
    The rest of the room must have been laughing at them.
  • patbpatb
    Posts: 4,602
    That's a very good point, they are showing themselves as utterly spineless, just at a time when GB needs strong, responsible leadership.
  • SpectreNumberTwoSpectreNumberTwo
    Posts: 389
    I think Osborne has been kidnapped by Angela Merkel to be her gimp (S&M anyone)......... >:)
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy My Secret Lair
    Posts: 13,384
    =)) you've managed to make me feel sorry for him. :))
  • patbpatb
    Posts: 4,602
    you've managed to make me sorry for her :-)
  • CommanderRossCommanderRoss The bottom of a pitch lake in Eastern Trinidad, place called La Brea
    Posts: 8,042
    Campbell2 wrote: »
    CommanderRoss wrote: »
    I can understand remainers not beeing happy with the results, but what I worry about is the intensified hatred. Bratzis? Remainiz? come on, don't you have a future to work to?

    @Gustav was referring to the Weimar lection in 1932 in which the Nazi's became the largest party, in his never relenting efforts to drag them into any argument about the EU. But one should not forget, they never got the majority, as it was a multy party system. The communists were second, but never the twain would meet for forming a government. In the end, the Nazi's seized power through a coupe.

    Now, the real lessons learned should be, that if government goes in a direction the people don't like, they will express this in elections. This is exactly what happened. The EU wasn't reforming fast enough, and going into a direction most people in Europe don't want. It has taken 4 (!) referendums to show them this. We had the EU constitution referendums (Holland and France, both said no, but it got pushed through with only cosmetic changes) and the association with the Ukraine one (Holland again, no again) with which they still don't know what to do. And no Britain has voted to leave.

    This all means that it's time Britain starts it's own reforms as quickly as possible, finding ways to become innovative and efficient again in all regions without EU money. Can they do it? Sure they can, I don't see why not. There are many modern countries capable of beeing competitive and thriving.

    Instead it seems the political elite seem to want to take revenge on the people. No focus on the future, but condescending comments on how stupid everyone has been. Sad really, but also a great example of why things should change.

    The EU has had it's final warning. Hopefully it's enough, and if so, in time Britain will rejoin in, say, ten years time. If not, the EU will crumble, with the countries with the highest potential getting out first, leaving a poor, highly debted (southern) EU.

    Those condescending enough to claim that these matters are too complicated for a referendum ('the little people') should wonder why it's 'too complicated'. Maybe your education system isn't on par then. Perhaps that's where those 350 million should go to first?

    You reap what you sow. This has been a long way coming and you've turned a blind eye, as has the EU. Now open your eyes and go work on a prosperous Britain without whining (if you do, the Scots may want to remain in Britain). Or watch as Great Britain will fade away in history. It's your choice.



    What you fail to acknowledge is simply that you guys haven't won by a large margin. You barely took victory by a bit more than half. Meaning you take half the country hostage on your journey down Mosley's memory lane. And judging by the vile comments of some Bratzis I can perfectly understand why the other half of the country doesn't want to indulge you in toeing your party line. As a jock I wasn't surprised at all, I expected no different from my so-called English brethren. But you will find it's a great deal more difficult to make good on the promises of Murdoch's Sturmer press and Toady's campaign. I don't give much of a sh** if you guys want to cut off your noses. Come and try to make me. :D
    Which would have been exactly the same had the vote gone the other way. But i doubt you'd have taken it in account then...
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited June 2016 Posts: 23,883
    Something just came to mind. After the financial crisis, we realized that the 'powers that be' increased 'moral hazard' in the financial system by shielding players from the consequences of their decisions. The implications are still being felt today, and the financial system is far weaker as a result of such intervention. 'Too big to fail'.

    I wonder if we are about to see the same thing on the political front. After all, Greece's referendum was completely ignored last year.

    Could we see Britain still in the EU? Will a plan be hatched to 'save face' for those with eggs on their face, and will, after elections in France, Germany & a change in UK leadership, some approach be concocted to allow the UK to remain with more rights? It can't be obvious of course, because that would force others to push for the same. However, if the EU were to ostensibly 'reform' or at least give the 'impression of reforming', could a case be made to the British public that 'remain now' is the right choice? A 2nd referendum, as is being discussed in some quarters? Of course, Boris and Cove will have to be brought onside, but that shouldn't be too difficult, as they're probably shitting their pants as we speak.

    I don't think it's inconceivable, even though it may seem so now. The moneyed interests will do what they have to in order to retain influence, and the US will 'meddle' behind the scenes, as it wants Britain to influence EU decision making. The Thursday vote is untenable for the 'regimes' who really control things.
  • Campbell2Campbell2 Epsilon Rho Rho house, Bending State University
    Posts: 299
    CommanderRoss wrote: »
    Campbell2 wrote: »
    CommanderRoss wrote: »
    I can understand remainers not beeing happy with the results, but what I worry about is the intensified hatred. Bratzis? Remainiz? come on, don't you have a future to work to?

    @Gustav was referring to the Weimar lection in 1932 in which the Nazi's became the largest party, in his never relenting efforts to drag them into any argument about the EU. But one should not forget, they never got the majority, as it was a multy party system. The communists were second, but never the twain would meet for forming a government. In the end, the Nazi's seized power through a coupe.

    Now, the real lessons learned should be, that if government goes in a direction the people don't like, they will express this in elections. This is exactly what happened. The EU wasn't reforming fast enough, and going into a direction most people in Europe don't want. It has taken 4 (!) referendums to show them this. We had the EU constitution referendums (Holland and France, both said no, but it got pushed through with only cosmetic changes) and the association with the Ukraine one (Holland again, no again) with which they still don't know what to do. And no Britain has voted to leave.

    This all means that it's time Britain starts it's own reforms as quickly as possible, finding ways to become innovative and efficient again in all regions without EU money. Can they do it? Sure they can, I don't see why not. There are many modern countries capable of beeing competitive and thriving.

    Instead it seems the political elite seem to want to take revenge on the people. No focus on the future, but condescending comments on how stupid everyone has been. Sad really, but also a great example of why things should change.

    The EU has had it's final warning. Hopefully it's enough, and if so, in time Britain will rejoin in, say, ten years time. If not, the EU will crumble, with the countries with the highest potential getting out first, leaving a poor, highly debted (southern) EU.

    Those condescending enough to claim that these matters are too complicated for a referendum ('the little people') should wonder why it's 'too complicated'. Maybe your education system isn't on par then. Perhaps that's where those 350 million should go to first?

    You reap what you sow. This has been a long way coming and you've turned a blind eye, as has the EU. Now open your eyes and go work on a prosperous Britain without whining (if you do, the Scots may want to remain in Britain). Or watch as Great Britain will fade away in history. It's your choice.



    What you fail to acknowledge is simply that you guys haven't won by a large margin. You barely took victory by a bit more than half. Meaning you take half the country hostage on your journey down Mosley's memory lane. And judging by the vile comments of some Bratzis I can perfectly understand why the other half of the country doesn't want to indulge you in toeing your party line. As a jock I wasn't surprised at all, I expected no different from my so-called English brethren. But you will find it's a great deal more difficult to make good on the promises of Murdoch's Sturmer press and Toady's campaign. I don't give much of a sh** if you guys want to cut off your noses. Come and try to make me. :D
    Which would have been exactly the same had the vote gone the other way. But i doubt you'd have taken it in account then...


    Contrary to you I already had to accept a referendum that didn't go in my favour. I even commented on it here and acknowledged that my side didn't convince enough to earn to win. You can look it up if you will.

    Meanwhile a winner of this shambles claims he'd have accepted it the other way around if it had just been by one vote. Yet the same guy can't even take when the losers voice their dissent and wants to kick the opposers for not joining in the Sieg.


  • SpectreNumberTwoSpectreNumberTwo
    Posts: 389
    bondjames wrote: »
    Something just came to mind. After the financial crisis, we realized that the 'powers that be' increased 'moral hazard' in the financial system by shielding players from the consequences of their decisions. The implications are still being felt today, and the financial system is far weaker as a result of such intervention. 'Too big to fail'.

    I wonder if we are about to see the same thing on the political front. After all, Greece's referendum was completely ignored last year.

    Could we see Britain still in the EU? Will a plan be hatched to 'save face' for those with eggs on their face, and will, after elections in France, Germany & a change in UK leadership, some approach be concocted to allow the UK to remain with more rights? It can't be obvious of course, because that would force others to push for the same. However, if the EU were to ostensibly 'reform' or at least give the 'impression of reforming', could a case be made to the British public that 'remain now' is the right choice? A 2nd referendum, as is being discussed in some quarters? Of course, Boris and Cove will have to be brought onside, but that shouldn't be too difficult, as they're probably shitting their pants as we speak.

    I don't think it's inconceivable, even though it may seem so now. The moneyed interests will do what they have to in order to retain influence, and the US will 'meddle' behind the scenes, as it wants Britain to influence EU decision making. The Thursday vote is untenable for the 'regimes' who really control things.

    I wouldn't put anything past this parliament, some dick wit MP called David Lammy is already calling for the vote to be voided. However I also think it would lead to another gunpowder plot as the end scene of V for Vendetta.

  • SpectreNumberTwoSpectreNumberTwo
    edited June 2016 Posts: 389
    Campbell2 wrote: »
    Meanwhile a winner of this shambles claims he'd have accepted it the other way around if it had just been by one vote. Yet the same guy can't even take when the losers voice their dissent and wants to kick the opposers for not joining in the Sieg.


    Whiskey Tango Foxtrot are you gobbing on about........you whining steward of the bar L-)
  • Campbell2Campbell2 Epsilon Rho Rho house, Bending State University
    Posts: 299
    bondjames wrote: »

    I don't think it's inconceivable, even though it may seem so now. The moneyed interests will do what they have to in order to retain influence, and the US will 'meddle' behind the scenes, as it wants Britain to influence EU decision making. The Thursday vote is untenable for the 'regimes' who really control things.


    No way. That vote didn't just cut relations with the EU, it cut up the entire country. Great Britain doesn't exist in this way any more. And guys like our SpectreNumber2 would just as rightfully be out of their minds if they were ignored as the Remain side is now. There is no going back, from now on it's different directions for all of us.
  • SpectreNumberTwoSpectreNumberTwo
    edited June 2016 Posts: 389
    Campbell2 wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »

    I don't think it's inconceivable, even though it may seem so now. The moneyed interests will do what they have to in order to retain influence, and the US will 'meddle' behind the scenes, as it wants Britain to influence EU decision making. The Thursday vote is untenable for the 'regimes' who really control things.


    No way. That vote didn't just cut relations with the EU, it cut up the entire country. Great Britain doesn't exist in this way any more. And guys like our SpectreNumber2 would just as rightfully be out of their minds if they were ignored as the Remain side is now. There is no going back, from now on it's different directions for all of us.

    Agreed for once, but I don't thick the pro EU lobby will be ignored, I think it would be political suicide if the government of the day doesn't promise to continue funding projects as the EU have, only difference is that it will be our governments decision & not at that of an unelected commission. Any government who doesn't deliver can be removed every 5 years.
    I believe a good idea would be to set up a ministry to ensure EU investment levels in the UK are continued but administered by our government not Brussels.

    PS: Sorry about the Whiskey Tango bit....it was a low blow :\">
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy My Secret Lair
    Posts: 13,384
    On the subject of winning if an athletics world record is only beaten by one hundredth
    of a second, does that still count, or should it too be ignored ? :))
  • Gustav_GravesGustav_Graves
    edited June 2016 Posts: 11,119
    bondjames wrote: »
    Something just came to mind. After the financial crisis, we realized that the 'powers that be' increased 'moral hazard' in the financial system by shielding players from the consequences of their decisions. The implications are still being felt today, and the financial system is far weaker as a result of such intervention. 'Too big to fail'.

    I wonder if we are about to see the same thing on the political front. After all, Greece's referendum was completely ignored last year.

    Could we see Britain still in the EU? Will a plan be hatched to 'save face' for those with eggs on their face, and will, after elections in France, Germany & a change in UK leadership, some approach be concocted to allow the UK to remain with more rights? It can't be obvious of course, because that would force others to push for the same. However, if the EU were to ostensibly 'reform' or at least give the 'impression of reforming', could a case be made to the British public that 'remain now' is the right choice? A 2nd referendum, as is being discussed in some quarters? Of course, Boris and Cove will have to be brought onside, but that shouldn't be too difficult, as they're probably shitting their pants as we speak.

    I don't think it's inconceivable, even though it may seem so now. The moneyed interests will do what they have to in order to retain influence, and the US will 'meddle' behind the scenes, as it wants Britain to influence EU decision making. The Thursday vote is untenable for the 'regimes' who really control things.

    I'm sorry, but I don't think so. If, what you are saying, will take place, it means more and more anger in our western society. The Greek referendum took place in a part of Europe and The West whitout global political and economical power. That makes the British referendum so different. It took place in a part of Europe where ultra-right-wing populism is prospering now.

    Any attempt to re-instate Britain as a EU-member, even a partial EU-membership concoction, will be explained by the populists of our day as complete utter betrayal. Add to that very difficult elections today in Spain, and next year spring in France, Germany and Netherlands......and I come to the safe conclusion: The UK is out, for a long time. And the EU doesn't want the UK back. Out is out....and it will stay out.

    And in all honesty? I have accepted the Brexit referendum as well. I am an avid supporter of the EU. So I don't want the UK back. The UK need to do their own stuff.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited June 2016 Posts: 23,883
    Campbell2 wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »

    I don't think it's inconceivable, even though it may seem so now. The moneyed interests will do what they have to in order to retain influence, and the US will 'meddle' behind the scenes, as it wants Britain to influence EU decision making. The Thursday vote is untenable for the 'regimes' who really control things.


    No way. That vote didn't just cut relations with the EU, it cut up the entire country. Great Britain doesn't exist in this way any more. And guys like our SpectreNumber2 would just as rightfully be out of their minds if they were ignored as the Remain side is now. There is no going back, from now on it's different directions for all of us.
    Yes, unless there are reforms at the EU level. There are elections in France and Germany next year, and I'm quite certain the EU is going to play a huge role in such elections. If they have any brains, they should get moving quickly to do some fundamental reforms over there, otherwise there could be further shockwaves next year.

    Fix the immigration thing for one, and I can see big changes to the EU's image.

    Washington will be working behind the scenes in overdrive - I'm sure of it. There is too much at stake here, and unfortunately, I believe the people's vote may be sidelined, but in a creative fashion.
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
    edited June 2016 Posts: 9,117
    Thunderpussy wrote: »
    "You take the blue pill, the story ends. You wake up in your bed and believe whatever you want to believe. You take the red pill, you stay in Wonderland, and I show you how deep the rabbit hole goes."

    :)) The remainers want the blue pill, and it's not viagra. :D

    That was basically my philosophy when voting leave.

    Mind you I've always thought that going back into the Matrix was better than living like tramps in a shitty submarine cum spaceship. Just goes to show how beneath contempt the Brussels machine has fallen IMO.
    Thunderpussy wrote: »
    It feels like the conservative government has thrown in the towel. Cameron
    is like a Zombie and Osborne hasn't even been seen since the vote. Makes you
    wonder, just how much of a push over they were in EU negotiations.
    The rest of the room must have been laughing at them.

    Just proves we made the right decision. No wonder Merkel is swaggering around the continent like she has a pair of bolllocks the size of bowling balls with insipid cowards like this pair and Hollande the only ones with the clout to face her down. I'd like to have seen her go toe to toe with Maggie.

    The Tories are such a shambles I'm tempted to say if Sturgeon formed a New Labour style centrist party that encompassed the whole country she might well stroll into number 10.

    And Labour could well be defunct by the end of the day.
    bondjames wrote: »
    Something just came to mind. After the financial crisis, we realized that the 'powers that be' increased 'moral hazard' in the financial system by shielding players from the consequences of their decisions. The implications are still being felt today, and the financial system is far weaker as a result of such intervention. 'Too big to fail'.

    I wonder if we are about to see the same thing on the political front. After all, Greece's referendum was completely ignored last year.

    Could we see Britain still in the EU? Will a plan be hatched to 'save face' for those with eggs on their face, and will, after elections in France, Germany & a change in UK leadership, some approach be concocted to allow the UK to remain with more rights? It can't be obvious of course, because that would force others to push for the same. However, if the EU were to ostensibly 'reform' or at least give the 'impression of reforming', could a case be made to the British public that 'remain now' is the right choice? A 2nd referendum, as is being discussed in some quarters? Of course, Boris and Cove will have to be brought onside, but that shouldn't be too difficult, as they're probably shitting their pants as we speak.

    I don't think it's inconceivable, even though it may seem so now. The moneyed interests will do what they have to in order to retain influence, and the US will 'meddle' behind the scenes, as it wants Britain to influence EU decision making. The Thursday vote is untenable for the 'regimes' who really control things.

    This seems highly plausible. I think legally Parliament can just vote to ignore the referendum. Of course in theory by ignoring the referendum would surely precipitate a general election and this might play into the hands of Farage and see UKIP getting a landslide.

    But I think the truth is a lot of leavers have made their point and wouldn't vote UKIP.

    The best result would be the referendum gets overturned but the fright this fiasco has caused both here and in the EU finally hits home and causes politicians to get their shit together.

    The reality is probably they would think 'phew got away with it' and back to business as usual.
  • Gustav_GravesGustav_Graves
    Posts: 11,119
    bondjames wrote: »
    Campbell2 wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »

    I don't think it's inconceivable, even though it may seem so now. The moneyed interests will do what they have to in order to retain influence, and the US will 'meddle' behind the scenes, as it wants Britain to influence EU decision making. The Thursday vote is untenable for the 'regimes' who really control things.


    No way. That vote didn't just cut relations with the EU, it cut up the entire country. Great Britain doesn't exist in this way any more. And guys like our SpectreNumber2 would just as rightfully be out of their minds if they were ignored as the Remain side is now. There is no going back, from now on it's different directions for all of us.

    Fix the immigration thing for one, and I can see big changes to the EU's image.

    Washington will be working behind the scenes in overdrive - I'm sure of it. There is too much at stake here, and unfortunately, I believe the people's vote may be sidelined, but in a creative fashion.

    Don't count on it. The Brexit referendum was a shocker of a wake-up call for everyone. Sidelining this will only enhance populist voices. And my gut feeling tells me that both Washington and Brussels completely understand that.

    Yes, a 'Multi-Pace EU' is in the making right now. But that will create problems too. To solve a complex problem like the immigration crisis, you really have to create a more integrated EU in which secret services and national defense forces start working together. And that's exactly what Cameron didn't want.

    We are way past easy solutions. Everything will be put on a halt from now.
  • GetafixGetafix
    edited June 2016 Posts: 11,425
    Thunderpussy wrote: »
    "You take the blue pill, the story ends. You wake up in your bed and believe whatever you want to believe. You take the red pill, you stay in Wonderland, and I show you how deep the rabbit hole goes."

    :)) The remainers want the blue pill, and it's not viagra. :D

    I'm afraid wonderland is going to turn out to be the crock of lies that the Leave camp sold you guys.

    It may have passed you by but I don't think anyone on the Remain side claimed the EU was perfect - far from it.

    What 'Project Fear' said was that people need to realise how good we had it and how bad things are going to get.

    I'm afraid it's becoming more clear by the day that there is absolutely no grounds for optimism for the UK now. The future is bleak. Unnecessarily so but that is the choice we've made.

    Welcome to wonderland guys. It's gonna be a total disaster. Even if we get our best minds on this (and we don't seem to have any) our former allies are gonna spurn us and
    investment is going to flee our islands.

    If you thought this austerity was bad, just wait.

    All the good intentions will come to nothing due to a collapsing currency (since we hardly export anything a depreciating pound does more harm than good) and a flatlining economy. It's gonna be cuts cuts cuts. Job losses and worse.

    But you may be right - we might get immigration down just because we're about to become a whole lot less appealing to hard working and well educated people looking to make their home and make a contribution. The low skill people will still probably come though because even a Britian on the skids wil appeal to them.

    Any one who has any substantive reason for believing otherwise apart from pie in the sky wishful thinking is welcome to explain what the realistic alternative narrative is going to be.

    I know none of you believe the experts, but just the slightest suggestion of realism in your comments would be great.

    Apparently we are a great trading nation, but you may have failed to notice so are a lot of others. We practically stopped making anything decades ago so we've got nothing to sell. The one industry we excel in -finance - is the one that is probably going to take the biggest immediate hit from Brexit. The City of London, the worlds preeminent financial centre will not be for much longer.

    @Spectre I sincerely hope you're dream that things will be better in fifty years turns out to be true, but that will probably be too late for your grandkids. In the meantime I sadly suspect you've screwed up their futures.

    And with all due respect to your military service, please stop telling me to leave my country, as if your vote for Brexit authorises you and the Leavers to start dictating who deserves to stay here and who doesn't. The sad reality is that while you and your friends have most likely screwed the country for generations to come, we all have to live here and deal with the consequences.
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy My Secret Lair
    Posts: 13,384
    As much realism as yours believe it or not, both sides don't have all the answers.
    But some of us don't want to cling to our blankies and have Nanny EU make all
    our decisions for us. Some are so used to being the Gimp, they have no will to
    be tne master :))
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited June 2016 Posts: 23,883
    There will have to be EU level reforms in the next year. Someone should fall on their sword over there (one of the bureaucrats) and they should get to work on coming up with an immigration band aid before upcoming national elections. If not, next year will be very interesting.
  • patbpatb
    Posts: 4,602
    Does anyone genuinely think that we would be debating the idea of a second vote of inners had won by 2% ?
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy My Secret Lair
    Posts: 13,384
    NO !

    Also these remainers, seem to want Britain to fail, they want job losses, always talking
    the country down. Instead of getting behind the Majority and working to help their
    country. They rather sit back, willing it to fail. :(
  • Campbell2Campbell2 Epsilon Rho Rho house, Bending State University
    Posts: 299
    [quote="SpectreNumberTwo;609009Meanwhile a winner of this shambles claims he'd have accepted it the other way around if it had just been by one vote. Yet the same guy can't even take when the losers voice their dissent and wants to kick the opposers for not joining in the Sieg.


    [/quote]

    Whiskey Tango Foxtrot are you gobbing on about........you whining steward of the bar L-) [/quote]
    SpectreNumberTwo wrote: »
    Campbell2 wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »

    I don't think it's inconceivable, even though it may seem so now. The moneyed interests will do what they have to in order to retain influence, and the US will 'meddle' behind the scenes, as it wants Britain to influence EU decision making. The Thursday vote is untenable for the 'regimes' who really control things.


    No way. That vote didn't just cut relations with the EU, it cut up the entire country. Great Britain doesn't exist in this way any more. And guys like our SpectreNumber2 would just as rightfully be out of their minds if they were ignored as the Remain side is now. There is no going back, from now on it's different directions for all of us.

    Agreed for once, but I don't thick the pro EU lobby will be ignored, I think it would be political suicide if the government of the day doesn't promise to continue funding projects as the EU have, only difference is that it will be our governments decision & not at that of an unelected commission. Any government who doesn't deliver can be removed every 5 years.
    I believe a good idea would be to set up a ministry to ensure EU investment levels in the UK are continued but administered by our government not Brussels.

    PS: Sorry about the Whiskey Tango bit....it was a low blow :\">


    No need to, soldier. We're all massively out of our depth here, me not excluded. When I went to bed that day it was with Remain in the lead and thought about writing something to the effect that we must not, can not ignore the Leave vote altogether. That reform and restructuring is necessary, and a good deal of giving back legislation to the regions too.

    Didn't work out that way.

    We must all do our best to find a way working this into at least not a total disaster. And maybe, come fifty years, an advantage.
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