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  • Aziz_FekkeshAziz_Fekkesh Royale-les-Eaux
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    Agreed
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    SpectreNumberTwo wrote: »
    SF for the critics, SP for the fans, but IMHO neither is a classic like FRWL or GF.

    I agree. Both overhyped imho....one by the critics & the general public......the other by the die-hard fans. Mendes has certainly left his mark. Now let's move on.
  • Aziz_FekkeshAziz_Fekkesh Royale-les-Eaux
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    Again, agreed. I want to see someone else in the director's chair at this point.
  • w2bondw2bond is indeed a very rare breed
    edited November 2015 Posts: 2,252
    Ok from 41 MI6 rankings I have:
    5. SF (684)
    6. SP (670)

    And combining with CBn (6) and AJB (11) for a total of 58
    5. SF (962)
    6. SP (947)

    Median rank: SF (6) SP (7)
    Average rank: SF (8) SP (9)

    SF has the slight edge but it's too close to call, there's not enough rankings yet
  • AceHoleAceHole Belgium, via Britain
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    w2bond wrote: »
    Ok from 41 MI6 rankings I have:
    5. SF (684)
    6. SP (670)

    And combining with CBn (6) and AJB (11) for a total of 58
    5. SF (962)
    6. SP (947)

    Median rank: SF (6) SP (7)
    Average rank: SF (8) SP (9)

    SF has the slight edge but it's too close to call, there's not enough rankings yet

    Well, I'd put SF around 13th, and SP around 8th. Not sure if that changes things... :>
  • w2bondw2bond is indeed a very rare breed
    Posts: 2,252
    AceHole wrote: »
    w2bond wrote: »
    Ok from 41 MI6 rankings I have:
    5. SF (684)
    6. SP (670)

    And combining with CBn (6) and AJB (11) for a total of 58
    5. SF (962)
    6. SP (947)

    Median rank: SF (6) SP (7)
    Average rank: SF (8) SP (9)

    SF has the slight edge but it's too close to call, there's not enough rankings yet

    Well, I'd put SF around 13th, and SP around 8th. Not sure if that changes things... :>

    @AceHole probably not but I've got your latest ranking as SF 15th and SP 5th

  • suavejmfsuavejmf Harrogate, North Yorkshire, England
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    bondjames wrote: »
    Szonana wrote: »
    Its number 11 right now with chances of leaving The spy who loved me out of my top 10.

    Still debating on that one.

    That would be just wrong on so many levels.. :(( Perish the thought.

    Do it.
  • AceHoleAceHole Belgium, via Britain
    Posts: 1,727
    suavejmf wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    Szonana wrote: »
    Its number 11 right now with chances of leaving The spy who loved me out of my top 10.

    Still debating on that one.

    That would be just wrong on so many levels.. :(( Perish the thought.

    Do it.

    Are there really 10 better Bond movies than TSWLM...? Subjective sure, but I don't see it.
  • AceHoleAceHole Belgium, via Britain
    Posts: 1,727
    w2bond wrote: »
    AceHole wrote: »
    w2bond wrote: »
    Ok from 41 MI6 rankings I have:
    5. SF (684)
    6. SP (670)

    And combining with CBn (6) and AJB (11) for a total of 58
    5. SF (962)
    6. SP (947)

    Median rank: SF (6) SP (7)
    Average rank: SF (8) SP (9)

    SF has the slight edge but it's too close to call, there's not enough rankings yet

    Well, I'd put SF around 13th, and SP around 8th. Not sure if that changes things... :>

    @AceHole probably not but I've got your latest ranking as SF 15th and SP 5th

    Ah, you took my 'tiers' a bit literally then, they weren't in any particular order.
    I put SP in the first tier, yes, but it would have to be at the bottom...
  • w2bondw2bond is indeed a very rare breed
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    AceHole wrote: »
    Ah, you took my 'tiers' a bit literally then, they weren't in any particular order.
    I put SP in the first tier, yes, but it would have to be at the bottom...

    Oh ok! Normally when I see a tier list the movies are arranged chronologically which means I don't add it in. I think your last rank was in 2014, do you have an updated one?

  • AceHoleAceHole Belgium, via Britain
    Posts: 1,727
    w2bond wrote: »
    AceHole wrote: »
    Ah, you took my 'tiers' a bit literally then, they weren't in any particular order.
    I put SP in the first tier, yes, but it would have to be at the bottom...

    Oh ok! Normally when I see a tier list the movies are arranged chronologically which means I don't add it in. I think your last rank was in 2014, do you have an updated one?


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  • tigers99tigers99
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    The IMDB ranking is currently 7.3, which is lower than Skyfall's shortly after release, I seem to remember it being above 8.0 for some time.
  • suavejmfsuavejmf Harrogate, North Yorkshire, England
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    AceHole wrote: »
    suavejmf wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    Szonana wrote: »
    Its number 11 right now with chances of leaving The spy who loved me out of my top 10.

    Still debating on that one.

    That would be just wrong on so many levels.. :(( Perish the thought.

    Do it.

    Are there really 10 better Bond movies than TSWLM...? Subjective sure, but I don't see it.

    DN, FRWL, GF, TB, OHMSS, LALD, FYEO, TLD, LTK, CR, SF, SP.....I believe are all better than TSWLM (in my opinion).
  • AceHoleAceHole Belgium, via Britain
    Posts: 1,727
    suavejmf wrote: »
    AceHole wrote: »
    suavejmf wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    Szonana wrote: »
    Its number 11 right now with chances of leaving The spy who loved me out of my top 10.

    Still debating on that one.

    That would be just wrong on so many levels.. :(( Perish the thought.

    Do it.

    Are there really 10 better Bond movies than TSWLM...? Subjective sure, but I don't see it.

    DN, FRWL, GF, TB, OHMSS, LALD, FYEO, TLD, LTK, CR, SF, SP.....I believe are all better than TSWLM (in my opinion).

    Each to their own, of course :-\"
  • Lancaster007Lancaster007 Shrublands Health Clinic, England
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    suavejmf wrote: »
    AceHole wrote: »
    suavejmf wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    Szonana wrote: »
    Its number 11 right now with chances of leaving The spy who loved me out of my top 10.

    Still debating on that one.

    That would be just wrong on so many levels.. :(( Perish the thought.

    Do it.

    Are there really 10 better Bond movies than TSWLM...? Subjective sure, but I don't see it.

    DN, FRWL, GF, TB, OHMSS, LALD, FYEO, TLD, LTK, CR, SF, SP.....I believe are all better than TSWLM (in my opinion).

    Think I'd leave out LALD! Does that mean TSWLM squeaks in?!
  • w2bondw2bond is indeed a very rare breed
    Posts: 2,252
    AceHole wrote: »
    w2bond wrote: »
    AceHole wrote: »
    Ah, you took my 'tiers' a bit literally then, they weren't in any particular order.
    I put SP in the first tier, yes, but it would have to be at the bottom...

    Oh ok! Normally when I see a tier list the movies are arranged chronologically which means I don't add it in. I think your last rank was in 2014, do you have an updated one?

    9. SPECTRE

    Not too much difference between the rank in your tier list and the numerical one, BUT the median of Spectre just dropped from 7 to 8...

  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
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    w2bond wrote: »
    Ok from 41 MI6 rankings I have:
    5. SF (684)
    6. SP (670)

    How do you arrive at those numbers? @w2bond

    My calculation is this.

    Spectre gets 344 points after 41 rankings, 8.39
    Skyfall gets 352 points after 41 rankings, 8.58
  • NicNacNicNac Administrator, Moderator
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    I admire people who can rank the Bonds. Every time I attempt it I give up as soon as I try to mix the 70s in with the 60s films.
    However, if I tried to figure on whether SP would be in my top 10 or bottom 10 it would probably edge into the top 10. Probably.
  • AceHoleAceHole Belgium, via Britain
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    NicNac wrote: »
    I admire people who can rank the Bonds. Every time I attempt it I give up as soon as I try to mix the 70s in with the 60s films.
    However, if I tried to figure on whether SP would be in my top 10 or bottom 10 it would probably edge into the top 10. Probably.

    It's pretty futile I must say - exactly because you are comparing such different era's. I give it a go once a year. And then end up changing my mind a few hours after finalizing the list...

    To me there are 8 'eras', of which SP has just started another...

    DN to YOLT (formal & 'classic 60's' films, lots of British Empire influence)

    OHMSS to TMWTGG (gone are the 'innocent' 60's - influenced by Vietnam, 'Free love')

    TSWLM - MR (escapist & indulgent cinema post economic crisis, dawn of 'pop-movies')

    FYEO to AVTAK (80's austerity, old values vs anti-establishment movement)

    TLD - LTK (the Dalton years, obviously - post AIDS awareness, narcotics wars)

    GE to DAD (90's affluence & carefree social economy)

    CR to SF (post 9/11 paranoia, anti-hero's become heroes...)

    SP to ...? (repeat of socio-economic state circa 1976... so another MR on the way :D )

  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    Except no 1.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    That is why they are classics.
  • Suivez_ce_parachuteSuivez_ce_parachute
    edited November 2015 Posts: 2,015
    NicNac wrote: »
    I admire people who can rank the Bonds. Every time I attempt it I give up as soon as I try to mix the 70s in with the 60s films.
    However, if I tried to figure on whether SP would be in my top 10 or bottom 10 it would probably edge into the top 10. Probably.

    It can't rank the Bond either. But I can try with shorter lists. For instance :

    Fan-fiction Bond movies :

    1. SP
    2. ISON (In Service Of Nothing)
    3. SF

    And then again, I may swap 2 and 1 sometimes :) Experiment for the sake of it is good sometimes !



  • suavejmfsuavejmf Harrogate, North Yorkshire, England
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    AceHole wrote: »
    suavejmf wrote: »
    AceHole wrote: »
    suavejmf wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    Szonana wrote: »
    Its number 11 right now with chances of leaving The spy who loved me out of my top 10.

    Still debating on that one.

    That would be just wrong on so many levels.. :(( Perish the thought.

    Do it.

    Are there really 10 better Bond movies than TSWLM...? Subjective sure, but I don't see it.

    DN, FRWL, GF, TB, OHMSS, LALD, FYEO, TLD, LTK, CR, SF, SP.....I believe are all better than TSWLM (in my opinion).

    Each to their own, of course :-\"

    I really like LALD. Moore plays Bond rather than Moore. Great plot, score, villain, set pieces, not too much humour and sharks. Sheriff pepper and Kanagas death are low points.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    Over here, pepper is slang for amphetamine. How very appropriate.
  • gkleingklein
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    Suivez_ce_parachute wrote: »
    NicNac wrote: »
    I admire people who can rank the Bonds. Every time I attempt it I give up as soon as I try to mix the 70s in with the 60s films.
    However, if I tried to figure on whether SP would be in my top 10 or bottom 10 it would probably edge into the top 10. Probably.

    I totally agree w/this!

    I can relatively easily rank the Bond movies within their eras, but find it impossible outside of that. For example, FRWL and TSWLM are both favorites from their respective eras -- but how the heck do you compare a camp action/adventure stunt comedy to a dramatic espionage thriller (apples & oranges)!?

    However, to even rank the movies within their respective eras requires delineating one era from another (not always an easy task -- especially given the tonal back-&-forth that happened in two separate times -- the late 60s / early 70s period & the mid 80s period.
  • gkleingklein
    edited November 2015 Posts: 154
    This is how I delineate the Bond eras (since I can only rank the movies within their eras, not across eras):

    Era 1 -- the balanced era -- DN thru YOLT

    OHMSS is a stand alone -- the "wow, this really different era"

    Era 2 -- the camp era -- DAF thru MR

    Era 3 -- the serious era -- FYEO thru LTK (but excluding AVTAK)

    AVTAK is a stand alone -- the absolute crap era

    Era 4 -- the sorta-restored balance era -- GE thru DAD

    Era 5 -- the drama era -- CR thru SP
  • SoundofthesinnersSoundofthesinners
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    Just for the record, and I know I'm in the camp that's not a huge fan of SP, it's at 69% audience approval (not critics), to Skyfall's 86%. The difference between the average rating is a little closer, 3.6/5 to 4.1/5.

    SP is also basking in post-release glory here, and it's likely to fall a bit after a few months or years, as happened to SF, and will likely happen to Craig (and has been happening to Brozza for the last several years).
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    1.GoldenEye.
    2.SPECTRE.
    3.For Your Eyes Only.
    4.The Spy Who Loved Me.
    5.On Her Majesty's Secret Service.
    6.Casino Royale.
    7.The World is Not Enough.
    8.Thunderball.
    9.Dr. No.
    10.Skyfall.
    11.Live and Let Die.
    12.From Russia With Love.
    13.Quantum of Solace.
    14.Tomorrow Never Dies.
    15.Licence To Kill.
    16.Moonraker.
    17.Octopussy.
    18.Goldfinger.
    19.Diamonds Are Forever.
    20.Die Another Day.
    21.The Living Daylights.
    22.A View To A Kill.
    23.The Man With The Golden Gun.
    24.You Only Live Twice.
  • Thunderball007Thunderball007 United States
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    Not sure where it ranks all time, but for the for Daniel Craig era, so far:

    1) Casino Royale
    2) SPECTRE
    3) Skyfall
    4) Quantum of Solace

    SPECTRE is highly fun! :D
  • Dubble_uh_ohDubble_uh_oh
    Posts: 38
    Thunderball007 wrote: »
    Not sure where it ranks all time, but for the for Daniel Craig era, so far:

    1) Casino Royale
    2) SPECTRE
    3) Skyfall
    4) Quantum of Solace

    SPECTRE is highly fun! :D
    Thunderball007 wrote: »
    Not sure where it ranks all time, but for the for Daniel Craig era, so far:

    1) Casino Royale
    2) SPECTRE
    3) Skyfall
    4) Quantum of Solace

    SPECTRE is highly fun! :D

    Terrible soundtrack! But the movie itself is 10000000000000 light years better than Brosnan bond films imo! Walked out of his goldeneye!
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