SPECTRE Production Timeline

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  • Posts: 14,839
    How many Bond villains, heck, how many villains are leaders of large criminal organizations? That's not a cliche, that's a trope!
  • SuperintendentSuperintendent A separate pool. For sharks, no less.
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    The guy with the same name as the leader of a large crime organisation for the fifth or sixth time. To me, that sounds very, very boring.

    I'll leave it there, we'll have to agree to disagree. :)
  • edited November 2014 Posts: 203
    fans always complain about the movies not being faithful to the novels. so the producers went ahead and got the rights to blofeld. why would they do that if they do not intend to use the character in some way or form? i think this character is a huge assest to the series that is not being utilized up until now. i think the rebooted character will come up aces in bond 24 or 25 (if they do a finale intro on bond 24, like what fast six did).

    i think they were trying to introduced fajor (sp?) as the new black blofeld (like introducing judi dench as a female m) but with plans falling through, now its upto chris walts to do the character justice! unless they are still looking for a black actor to potray blofeld and chris walts is no. 2.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    The acronym S.p.e.c.t.r.e. (Special Executive for Counter-intelligence, Terrorism, Revenge and
    Extortion) arguably seems a bit dated to me now (sort of Man from Uncle'ish). I'd prefer Quantum.

    RE: why they'd buy the rights back if they weren't planning on using the name again : it could have been just to stop future rogue productions like NSNA

    It doesn't matter if he's called Blofeld or not IMO.....they just need to have an interesting backstory and an interesting premise for the head of a major crime syndicate. If they get that right, the rest will fall into place, regardless of what names they use.
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy My Secret Lair
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    With the Master now female in Dr Who, could we see
    Ernestine Stephanie Blofeld? :))
  • bondjames wrote: »
    The acronym S.p.e.c.t.r.e. (Special Executive for Counter-intelligence, Terrorism, Revenge and
    Extortion) arguably seems a bit dated to me now (sort of Man from Uncle'ish). I'd prefer Quantum.

    RE: why they'd buy the rights back if they weren't planning on using the name again : it could have been just to stop future rogue productions like NSNA

    It doesn't matter if he's called Blofeld or not IMO.....they just need to have an interesting backstory and an interesting premise for the head of a major crime syndicate. If they get that right, the rest will fall into place, regardless of what names they use.

    So you think, The Joker in Batman, could also be renamed into "Mr Funny"? Or "Jake Jocker"? While keeping the role intact, like Heath Ledger portrayed him? That sounds like changing only the name of 007 -let's say George Flint- and keep the rest of the written character intact. No, let's treat the character Blofeld carefully, it's a wonderful Fleming name. Just speak out loud: "Ernst Stavro Blofeld". It's wonderful.
  • they said on 2012 that they want 3 years for the next movie, to make it perfect, to have time for a good script and etc! What i see is that one month before the start of the shooting and the film's script gets a rewrite! They should have a good script monthes ago!! I think that we could have bond 24 in 2014 if they started writing script in the beggining of 2013! I saw that they made the script only at the begging of 2014! ;(
  • vasilismf wrote: »
    they said on 2012 that they want 3 years for the next movie, to make it perfect, to have time for a good script and etc! What i see is that one month before the start of the shooting and the film's script gets a rewrite! They should have a good script monthes ago!! I think that we could have bond 24 in 2014 if they started writing script in the beggining of 2013! I saw that they made the script only at the begging of 2014! ;(

    You need to understand that rewrites can be used to actually make the screenplay better, plot-wise, character-wise, dialogue-wise. Rewrites are frequently not the result of bad timing or delays. Some exceptions apply (QOS), but with Sam Mendes they usually serve as "extra quality checks".

    Regarding a Bond film every two year: Those days are over. The productions have become bigger and bigger. Just like after "Thunderball" the days were over to have a Bond film in cinema every year.

    Be patient, patience is paid with quality. You'll see.
  • WalecsWalecs On Her Majesty's Secret Service
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    vasilismf wrote: »
    they said on 2012 that they want 3 years for the next movie, to make it perfect, to have time for a good script and etc! What i see is that one month before the start of the shooting and the film's script gets a rewrite! They should have a good script monthes ago!! I think that we could have bond 24 in 2014 if they started writing script in the beggining of 2013! I saw that they made the script only at the begging of 2014! ;(

    The reason Bond 24 will come out in 2015 is that the producers wanted Mendes to direct Bond 24 (to be sure they would replicate Skyfall's box office), but he was busy with other projects, and that forced them to move the movie release to next year.

    Had they been less greed, they could have done a Bond movie in 2014 and then have Mendes return for Craig's last in 2016/2017.
  • Campbell2Campbell2 Epsilon Rho Rho house, Bending State University
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    DrGorner wrote: »
    With the Master now female in Dr Who, could we see
    Ernestine Stephanie Blofeld? :))

    Wasn't there a daughter of Blofeld in one of the old continuations? That's not a bad idea.

  • Campbell2 wrote: »
    DrGorner wrote: »
    With the Master now female in Dr Who, could we see
    Ernestine Stephanie Blofeld? :))

    Wasn't there a daughter of Blofeld in one of the old continuations? That's not a bad idea.

    Gardner's second Bond novel -- "For Special Services" -- Nena Blofeld
  • Posts: 4,619
    Walecs wrote: »

    Had they been less greed, they could have done a Bond movie in 2014 and then have Mendes return for Craig's last in 2016/2017.

    How is producing Bond movies more frequently less greedy? @-)
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    So you think, The Joker in Batman, could also be renamed into "Mr Funny"? Or "Jake Jocker"? While keeping the role intact, like Heath Ledger portrayed him? That sounds like changing only the name of 007 -let's say George Flint- and keep the rest of the written character intact. No, let's treat the character Blofeld carefully, it's a wonderful Fleming name. Just speak out loud: "Ernst Stavro Blofeld". It's wonderful.

    The reason I don't want Blofeld (the name) back is because we've already covered him several times in the past. I'd rather that the villains not be reimagined or rebooted. He was dropped down a shoot (if that was in fact him) and I'd prefer he stay there.

    There are far more ways they can make Quantum interesting. They built it up in QoS (only 2 movies ago) & I think they should tackle it in B24 or B25. Otherwise the whole "how come they have people everywhere" comment from M seems pointless now.

    Alternatively, come up with a new villain like Carver (his concept was interesting, even if the execution could have been done better). I'd prefer some creativity.

    Spectre is long gone. Last touched in the early 70s in DAF (ignoring the shoot drop in FYEO). Best to keep it there IMO.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    Plus lets not forget about Mr. White who is a really interesting who managed to slip out of Bond's and MI6's grasp. In a way he is sort of like Blofeld and he is pretty much responsible for Vesper's death. For all we know he could be head of Quantum but likes to pretend to be a lackie. An undercover boss so to speak. It would be nice to have Craig's Bond finish him off in either B24 or his final film so his tenure comes full circle.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    I agree @Murdock. They should finish the Mr. White arc. I think there was some casting problem and bad blood between Jesper Christensen and EON however, so that may not happen.

    Pity. I'm still hoping Quantum makes a return (revealed in a big way at the end of B24 - perhaps Silva worked for them all along).
  • bondjames wrote: »
    I agree @Murdock. They should finish the Mr. White arc. I think there was some casting problem and bad blood between Jesper Christensen and EON however, so that may not happen.

    Pity. I'm still hoping Quantum makes a return (revealed in a big way at the end of B24 - perhaps Silva worked for them all along).

    Maybe Mr White = Blofeld in the end ;-). QUANTUM for me didn't work. A bunch of weirdos seriously comprimising the secrecy of the organization by meeting in public...during an opera? Really.......the head of SPECTRE would laugh at such incompetency :-). Moreover, I found 007 rather.....naive in that Opera scene. He made all QUANTUM-members flee like mices. While he should have been following them... And like you said, Bond should have made the link that Mr White could have been a key figure within QUANTUM.

    Nah, I hope QUANTUM turns into SPECTRE.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited November 2014 Posts: 23,883
    Good points @Gustav_Graves .

    Personally, I liked that Opera scene a lot. Those villains to me seemed like the scum that run major corporations and govt. organizations today. Billionaire cowards hiding behind their ill-gotten wealth and with important connections (fingers in many pies as Mathis says). At the earliest sign of trouble, they up and run with their tails between their legs, trying to cover their tracks & hide their true involvement. I also liked the Greene/CIA/Medrano connection in QoS. The whole thing just seemed more in keeping with how stuff gets done today (witness Russia / Ukraine for instance - there is a lot more going on there than meets the eye or than we are being told. Same with ISIL. And what about the conveniently in time for Christmas/Black Friday uptick in the US$. Hmmm).

    Perhaps Bond can be excused due to this personal grief that was clouding his judgement throughout QoS.

    I don't mind Quantum turning into Spectre if you must have that name, but it's not such a big deal to me.
  • bondjames wrote: »
    I agree @Murdock. They should finish the Mr. White arc. I think there was some casting problem and bad blood between Jesper Christensen and EON however, so that may not happen.

    Pity. I'm still hoping Quantum makes a return (revealed in a big way at the end of B24 - perhaps Silva worked for them all along).

    Maybe Mr White = Blofeld in the end ;-). QUANTUM for me didn't work. A bunch of weirdos seriously comprimising the secrecy of the organization by meeting in public...during an opera? Really.......the head of SPECTRE would laugh at such incompetency :-). Moreover, I found 007 rather.....naive in that Opera scene. He made all QUANTUM-members flee like mices. While he should have been following them... And like you said, Bond should have made the link that Mr White could have been a key figure within QUANTUM.
    .


    There doesn't seem to be much (if anything) you have understood about QoS (or at least that part of it). Go and watch again (better twice!).
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    bondjames wrote: »
    I agree @Murdock. They should finish the Mr. White arc. I think there was some casting problem and bad blood between Jesper Christensen and EON however, so that may not happen.

    Pity. I'm still hoping Quantum makes a return (revealed in a big way at the end of B24 - perhaps Silva worked for them all along).

    Maybe Mr White = Blofeld in the end ;-). QUANTUM for me didn't work. A bunch of weirdos seriously comprimising the secrecy of the organization by meeting in public...during an opera? Really.......the head of SPECTRE would laugh at such incompetency :-). Moreover, I found 007 rather.....naive in that Opera scene. He made all QUANTUM-members flee like mices. While he should have been following them... And like you said, Bond should have made the link that Mr White could have been a key figure within QUANTUM.

    Nah, I hope QUANTUM turns into SPECTRE.

    You might not see it, but I think it's rather unique and brilliant actually. Who's going to suspect a secret evil meeting would be going on at an Opera? Bond figured it out by pure chance! If you remember right after the PTS of QOS White laughed when he realized MI6 didn't have a clue about Quantum's existence. So whoever is behind Quantum must have thought that Governments were watching them and decided instead of meeting in secret. They would meet in the open in a place nobody would suspect them of being at. It's rather original if you think about it. And you forget Bond has an ego. He likes to play with his villains as much as they do him. The Opera scene would have fit perfectly In Connery's era. I'd like to know more about Quantum rather than SPECTRE which I already know about. Where's Mr. White now? What is he planning? will Bond be in his line of sight? I'm aching to see what has become of them.
  • Matt_Helm wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    I agree @Murdock. They should finish the Mr. White arc. I think there was some casting problem and bad blood between Jesper Christensen and EON however, so that may not happen.

    Pity. I'm still hoping Quantum makes a return (revealed in a big way at the end of B24 - perhaps Silva worked for them all along).

    Maybe Mr White = Blofeld in the end ;-). QUANTUM for me didn't work. A bunch of weirdos seriously comprimising the secrecy of the organization by meeting in public...during an opera? Really.......the head of SPECTRE would laugh at such incompetency :-). Moreover, I found 007 rather.....naive in that Opera scene. He made all QUANTUM-members flee like mices. While he should have been following them... And like you said, Bond should have made the link that Mr White could have been a key figure within QUANTUM.
    .


    There doesn't seem to be much (if anything) you have understood about QoS (or at least that part of it). Go and watch again (better twice!).

    I understand it perfectly. But let's stay on topic. "QUANTUM" is simply put a lovely thing for fans. But let's think about the others too. I think "SPECTRE" is first of all a better brand name. And the idea that there's a possibility SPECTRE and Blofeld will be rebooted into today's geopolitical environment just makes me more excited. There's history behind SPECTRE, that dates back to Fleming's novels. QUANTUM was merely made, because Michael Wilson and the screenplay writers were looking for a recurring syndicate. Had EON Productions attained the rights to SPECTRE and Blofeld already in 2006, then, the syndicate in QOS would have been named SPECTRE.

    Moreover.....why DO we want to throw away parts of Fleming's creations, when during the Craig-era we actually wanted to stay close to Ian Fleming's inventions. So I'm therefore not saying to throw away QUANTUM, but it can get a metamorphosis into SPECTRE.....in a carefully written way. QUANTUM as name simply doesn't do it for me.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    Why not try seeing it from the prospective of fans who don't look through nostalgia goggles?
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy My Secret Lair
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    Keep Quantum for the Craig films, I think there's plenty of
    Mileage to be had from them.
  • Murdock wrote: »
    Why not try seeing it from the prospective of fans who don't look through nostalgia goggles?

    Everyone perceives a Bond film in his own way. Let's have respect for that ok :-)? For me....the QUANTUM-meeting was kind of odd. Let's agree to disagree.

  • Posts: 9,773
    regarding Quantum vs Spectre Spectre has had 6 official Bond films 7 if you count For Your Eyes Only 8 If we include never say never again.

    for spectre fans Imagine if instead of that number we had 2. Yup Imagine if after the sucess of Goldfinger the producers went a different route. and never did Thunderball You only live twice etc.

    Wouldn't you guys get annoyed. Who was that number one in From Russia With love? Why isn't Bond going after him?

    that is kind of our perspective you had your 8 let us have our at least 4.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
    edited November 2014 Posts: 16,331
    Murdock wrote: »
    Why not try seeing it from the prospective of fans who don't look through nostalgia goggles?

    Everyone perceives a Bond film in his own way. Let's have respect for that ok :-)? For me....the QUANTUM-meeting was kind of odd. Let's agree to disagree.

    I wasn't being disrespectful. You and the other Blofeld supporters give out reasons why Blofeld should come back ignoring those of us don't want him back and continue to spam why he should be back until arguments happen. It's obvious we already disagree. When analyzing a story, you have to judge it on it's own merits. Yeah it's easy to compare because there have been so many Bond movies but ask yourself one question.

    What is a spy's main goal? To hide in plain sight. Now Quantum isn't a group of spies, but they like to manipulate spies and government agents into working for them under their own nose. Quantum is a sort of anti spy organization. That's why their little setup at the Opera was so great. They have some big ca-hones. Unlike SPECTRE who has a group of people hide in a secret room. While Quantum shows they are more daring and ballsy.
  • WalecsWalecs On Her Majesty's Secret Service
    edited November 2014 Posts: 3,157
    Nah, I hope QUANTUM turns into SPECTRE.

    I can't see why not. In the Thunderball novel, it is stated that SPECTRE was built upon the ashes of other organizations, thus it would make sense if in Bond 24 it was revealed that SPECTRE is a revival of Quantum. It would also explain why Quantum has not appeared for years.

    Speaking of the Opera scene, it reminds me of John LeCarré's Call for the Dead, as
    in the novel, two operative agents meet at the theater to trade information
  • Maybe they're adapting some of the Risico storyline. In Risico, Bond meets with Kristatos, who told Bond another guy was the villain but it was actually Kristatos who was the villain. They obviously adapted this into For Your Eyes Only, but maybe that's what they're doing with Waltz' character in Bond 24, if he's not Blofeld of course.

    It might even put more bets towards Risico being the title as not only does the villain sound similar (if Waltz is a villain) but Risico was also set in Rome.
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    Quantum appearing in Bond 24 would instantly make it the worst James Bond movie of ALL TIME (including Casino Royale from 1967 and Never Say Never Agian). This is a fact. No, I am not being hyperbolic.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    Quantum appearing in Bond 24 would instantly make it the worst James Bond movie of ALL TIME (including Casino Royale from 1967 and Never Say Never Agian). This is a fact. No, I am not being hyperbolic.

    Why?
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