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  • Quantum of Solace

    As mixed a bag as ever. Some of the common criticisms of it are unfounded (the title song, location cards, and even the hi-tech MI6 aren't so bad), but its main flaw is its unrelenting cynicism. Bond movies can be serious or even dark, as FRWL, FYEO, the Dalton movies, and CR attest, but they should never be cynical. The realpolitik of the governments is horribly out of tune with the earlier Bonds' portrayal of the Cold War as a friendly rivalry, and there are even a few pointless betrayals along the way (the man who sells Bond and Camille the plane stands out here).

    To this end, there are a number of characters who are at least somewhat interesting and well-acted, such as Dominic Greene and Gregory Beam, yet who remain out of place in a Bond movie. The death of Mathis is in theory not a problem, but Bond's leaving him in a dumpster is pointlessly dark, as it does nothing to conceal him. Taking his money at least serves a purpose to help Bond and Camille, but there is no logic to abandoning his body in a dumpster instead of on the street.

    The movie has a few other flaws, most notably the shakycam and poorly laid out action, but those have been covered to death. Its chief strengths are Daniel Craig and Judi Dench's brilliant performances, as well as all things Vesper. The low-key villains and plot do not fall under the criticisms already ennumerated for cynicism, as they have a long precedent in the movies. All in all, the movie sits at about 15 out of 23. A respectable entry, and certainly an interesting one, but by no means triumphant.
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    Manky's dialogue is pure fire.

    Assuming you mean it's brilliant, just so.

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    Quantum of Solace

    As mixed a bag as ever. Some of the common criticisms of it are unfounded (the title song, location cards, and even the hi-tech MI6 aren't so bad), but its main flaw is its unrelenting cynicism. Bond movies can be serious or even dark, as FRWL, FYEO, the Dalton movies, and CR attest, but they should never be cynical. The realpolitik of the governments is horribly out of tune with the earlier Bonds' portrayal of the Cold War as a friendly rivalry, and there are even a few pointless betrayals along the way (the man who sells Bond and Camille the plane stands out here).

    To this end, there are a number of characters who are at least somewhat interesting and well-acted, such as Dominic Greene and Gregory Beam, yet who remain out of place in a Bond movie. The death of Mathis is in theory not a problem, but Bond's leaving him in a dumpster is pointlessly dark, as it does nothing to conceal him. Taking his money at least serves a purpose to help Bond and Camille, but there is no logic to abandoning his body in a dumpster instead of on the street.

    The movie has a few other flaws, most notably the shakycam and poorly laid out action, but those have been covered to death. Its chief strengths are Daniel Craig and Judi Dench's brilliant performances, as well as all things Vesper. The low-key villains and plot do not fall under the criticisms already ennumerated for cynicism, as they have a long precedent in the movies. All in all, the movie sits at about 15 out of 23. A respectable entry, and certainly an interesting one, but by no means triumphant.

    Criticism of AWTD is unfounded? Ha! I stopped reading right there.

  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    Quantum of Solace

    As mixed a bag as ever. Some of the common criticisms of it are unfounded (the title song, location cards, and even the hi-tech MI6 aren't so bad), but its main flaw is its unrelenting cynicism. Bond movies can be serious or even dark, as FRWL, FYEO, the Dalton movies, and CR attest, but they should never be cynical. The realpolitik of the governments is horribly out of tune with the earlier Bonds' portrayal of the Cold War as a friendly rivalry, and there are even a few pointless betrayals along the way (the man who sells Bond and Camille the plane stands out here).

    To this end, there are a number of characters who are at least somewhat interesting and well-acted, such as Dominic Greene and Gregory Beam, yet who remain out of place in a Bond movie. The death of Mathis is in theory not a problem, but Bond's leaving him in a dumpster is pointlessly dark, as it does nothing to conceal him. Taking his money at least serves a purpose to help Bond and Camille, but there is no logic to abandoning his body in a dumpster instead of on the street.

    The movie has a few other flaws, most notably the shakycam and poorly laid out action, but those have been covered to death. Its chief strengths are Daniel Craig and Judi Dench's brilliant performances, as well as all things Vesper. The low-key villains and plot do not fall under the criticisms already ennumerated for cynicism, as they have a long precedent in the movies. All in all, the movie sits at about 15 out of 23. A respectable entry, and certainly an interesting one, but by no means triumphant.

    Criticism of AWTD is unfounded? Ha! I stopped reading right there.

    I don't think it's bad either.
    Manky's dialogue is pure fire.

    Assuming you mean it's brilliant, just so.
    You like Mankiewicz's Bond work? Ha! I stopped reading right there.
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    Live And Let Die

    I'm kind of stuck in the middle with this one. I don't remember it being this campy/jokey, so that really irked me revisiting it this time. These films just don't scream Bond to me, so I can't see myself ever having any of them in my top 15. This film is just okay. The big scheme is interesting, if only because of how socially centric it is, and it's a nice change of pace from the more ambitious and way too over the top plots we have seen both before and after LALD. Kananga/Big is okay, but he never gets his proper time to really shine. Jane is beyond stunning, but save that Solitaire just isn't interesting and pretty forgettable when it comes down to it. She's supposed to be all about purity for the sake of her "powers" but once Bond sleeps with her sex seems to be the only thing she thinks about. They could have made her a lot more interesting and dimensional. I dunno, she just doesn't do anything for me. The locations are okay but nothing is memorable or awe-inspiring, and the action peaks during the boat chase in Louisiana and sinks everywhere else. The fights are horrid, Roger isn't convincing in them, and I am just starting to realize how unremarkable I found this film to be.

    The script is part of the problem. I really don't like Tom Mankiewicz, because I don't feel he gets Bond. He seems to see the character as an amateur comedian who has to spout one-liners all over the place, and if this man chose that profession he'd be fired immediately. Mankiewicz also treats the secret agent title as a complete joke, having characters loudly proclaim Bond's identity (and even Bond himself!), which is just eye roll inducing. One of the things I actually enjoyed about the film was J.W. Pepper. His comedy hit where everyone else's didn't, and he is very entertaining when needed.

    I'd rate this film as remarkably unremarkable. It's not a brilliant, deep, memorable or interesting film, but it's not a hunk of garbage either. Just a "meh," really.

    I share your sentiments exactly, Brady- upon my last LALD viewing, I was left with quite a "meh" taste in my mouth. It failed to dazzle me in really anything.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    Let's get real here, none of Moore's movies captured the real Bond.
    Still, many were highly entertaining. :D
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    chrisisall wrote:
    Let's get real here, none of Moore's movies captured the real Bond.
    Still, many were highly entertaining. :D

    But I, my insane self, look for Bond in a Bond film, which means the Moore films already lose points before I even press play. They took a compelling, dark and complicated spy and made him a one man stand up routine that isn't even that good. Some of the films are entertaining and masterfully shot and choreographed in regards to the action, but LALD offers neither big Bondian moments nor entertainment. I'll reiterate: meh.
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    Truthfully, I'm shocked they didn't bring Tee Hee back as he likely survived hisg fall out the train window. I wouldn't have minded that, actually.

    Yeah I liked Tee Hee too:

    "There are 2 ways to disable a crocodile"
    "I don't suppose you'd care to share that information with me" (while trapped on an island surrounded by them).
    "well one is to take a pencil and jam it into the pressure point behind his eye"
    "And the other"?
    "The other's twice as simple, you simply put your hand in his mouth...and pull his teeth out"

    That island bit is one of the best scenes in the film.
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    Quantum of Solace

    As mixed a bag as ever. Some of the common criticisms of it are unfounded (the title song, location cards, and even the hi-tech MI6 aren't so bad), but its main flaw is its unrelenting cynicism. Bond movies can be serious or even dark, as FRWL, FYEO, the Dalton movies, and CR attest, but they should never be cynical. The realpolitik of the governments is horribly out of tune with the earlier Bonds' portrayal of the Cold War as a friendly rivalry, and there are even a few pointless betrayals along the way (the man who sells Bond and Camille the plane stands out here).

    To this end, there are a number of characters who are at least somewhat interesting and well-acted, such as Dominic Greene and Gregory Beam, yet who remain out of place in a Bond movie. The death of Mathis is in theory not a problem, but Bond's leaving him in a dumpster is pointlessly dark, as it does nothing to conceal him. Taking his money at least serves a purpose to help Bond and Camille, but there is no logic to abandoning his body in a dumpster instead of on the street.

    The movie has a few other flaws, most notably the shakycam and poorly laid out action, but those have been covered to death. Its chief strengths are Daniel Craig and Judi Dench's brilliant performances, as well as all things Vesper. The low-key villains and plot do not fall under the criticisms already ennumerated for cynicism, as they have a long precedent in the movies. All in all, the movie sits at about 15 out of 23. A respectable entry, and certainly an interesting one, but by no means triumphant.

    I'm not sure the cynicism is the problem. Sometimes Fleming could be pretty cynical himself. The issue is that the realpolitik at times feels a bit tedious.
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    Quantum of Solace

    As mixed a bag as ever. Some of the common criticisms of it are unfounded (the title song, location cards, and even the hi-tech MI6 aren't so bad), but its main flaw is its unrelenting cynicism. Bond movies can be serious or even dark, as FRWL, FYEO, the Dalton movies, and CR attest, but they should never be cynical. The realpolitik of the governments is horribly out of tune with the earlier Bonds' portrayal of the Cold War as a friendly rivalry, and there are even a few pointless betrayals along the way (the man who sells Bond and Camille the plane stands out here).

    To this end, there are a number of characters who are at least somewhat interesting and well-acted, such as Dominic Greene and Gregory Beam, yet who remain out of place in a Bond movie. The death of Mathis is in theory not a problem, but Bond's leaving him in a dumpster is pointlessly dark, as it does nothing to conceal him. Taking his money at least serves a purpose to help Bond and Camille, but there is no logic to abandoning his body in a dumpster instead of on the street.

    The movie has a few other flaws, most notably the shakycam and poorly laid out action, but those have been covered to death. Its chief strengths are Daniel Craig and Judi Dench's brilliant performances, as well as all things Vesper. The low-key villains and plot do not fall under the criticisms already ennumerated for cynicism, as they have a long precedent in the movies. All in all, the movie sits at about 15 out of 23. A respectable entry, and certainly an interesting one, but by no means triumphant.

    Criticism of AWTD is unfounded? Ha! I stopped reading right there.

    I don't think it's bad either.
    Manky's dialogue is pure fire.

    Assuming you mean it's brilliant, just so.
    You like Mankiewicz's Bond work? Ha! I stopped reading right there.

    Then pull in to a garage and have them check your sense of humor. It seems to be a couple of quarts low.

    RE: AWTD, it is the DAD of Bond title tracks, which means it is not only the worst of them all, but is worst by a very wide margin indeed. This is what happens when Bond goes ghetto.

  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    ...I think AWTD is really catchy. :-(

    Granted, it's nowhere near the best Bond theme song, but I'm sorry, when that song comes on, I can't help but jam along.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    Creasy47 wrote:
    ...I think AWTD is really catchy. :-(

    Granted, it's nowhere near the best Bond theme song, but I'm sorry, when that song comes on, I can't help but jam along.

    Same here. It's a killer rock and roll beat. Nothing fancy, but I can enjoy it just as much as I can YKMN.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    I also love YKMN. Both of those songs kick in after thrilling PTS's, and I just get so pumped for the rest of the film that's about to follow. Those songs really put me in the mood to watch Bond kick some more ass and save the day.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    Then pull in to a garage and have them check your sense of humor. It seems to be a couple of quarts low.

    I do have a sense of humor, just for good quality comedy and not whatever Mankiewicz brought to Bond. I hope he isn't listening, as he may haunt me now.
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    @Perilagu_Khan - Absolutely. Although I don't love DAF like I once did, his dialogue in that alone pushes it above the bottom 3 spots so many people find for it. Nice to see you agree :)

    As for Bond films, I've been taking a nice break. To get my Bond fix I've been reading some Fleming.
  • MayDayDiVicenzoMayDayDiVicenzo Here and there
    edited June 2014 Posts: 5,080
    @Perilagu_Khan - Absolutely. Although I don't love DAF like I once did, his dialogue in that alone pushes it above the bottom 3 spots so many people find for it. Nice to see you agree :)

    As for Bond films, I've been taking a nice break. To get my Bond fix I've been reading some Fleming.

    I would go as far to say that DAF has some of the funniest dialogue in the series, and is the funniest Bond entry. Connery's deadpan delivery of lines such as "your problems are behind you now.Bitch" are hilarious.
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    @Perilagu_Khan - Absolutely. Although I don't love DAF like I once did, his dialogue in that alone pushes it above the bottom 3 spots so many people find for it. Nice to see you agree :)

    As for Bond films, I've been taking a nice break. To get my Bond fix I've been reading some Fleming.

    I would go as far to say that DAF has some of the funniest dialogue in the series, and is the funniest Bond entry. Connery's deadpan delivery of lines such as "your problems are behind you now.Bitch" are hilarious.

    Absolutely. To me that is as obvious as can possibly be.

  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    DAF is John Logan s favourite Bond film. Not sure what to make of that.
  • royale65royale65 Caustic misanthrope reporting for duty.
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    DAF is John Logan s favourite Bond film. Not sure what to make of that.

    Actually I'd like to see Craig in an DAF-style film...

  • MayDayDiVicenzoMayDayDiVicenzo Here and there
    edited June 2014 Posts: 5,080
    I'd just like to see him handle something much more grand. It would be interesting...
  • A Thunderball/The Spy Who Loved Me-style movie is the right move for Bond 24, but it seems doubtful we're getting it. They could try it for Bond 25 if Bond 24's reception isn't as good as Skyfall's, but then they might overcompensate and make that a mess as well.

    But I'm being a pessimist, here.
  • royale65royale65 Caustic misanthrope reporting for duty.
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    As Bond fans it tends to help after DAD. When the producers come and knock it out of the park, you'll be even more impressed and surprised. Hopefully.
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    OHMSS. It gets better with every viewing.
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    If Bond 24 is anything like Thunderball we are all in for a magnificent treat. Having Craig in an absolutely exotic epic Bond film would be fantastic.

    A TSWLM-esque would be fine as well. Anything epically Bondian.
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    Skyfall, completing a month long Bond marathon. As good now as it was when it was released. Mendes and EON are going to have their work cut out just matching it, let alone bettering it for Bond 24.
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    Never Say Never Again

    Although we are all aware that NSNA is an "unofficial" Bond movie, I do believe it at least deserves to be watched and appreciated for the fact that it is still a Bond story, nonetheless; I'm not even sure if "unofficial" is a correct term, since it was given the legal go-ahead and everything. However, I will just say that I prefer Thunderball by a long shot; even so, NSNA does have its attributes, and I'll discuss those here: first of all, Sean Connery's performance is absolutely awesome. With his return to the role for NSNA, he easily blows away his last two performances from YOLT and DAF. Some of that should be credited to the script writers for giving him such witty dialogue, but still, it's his responsibility to execute it effectively, and he does. Also, having gotten back into proper shape following the YOLT and DAF flab, the active side of his performance is finally back on track; unfortunately, NSNA's few and far between action sequences don't give us much of a chance to see that. Secondly, NSNA makes great use of some very scenic locations, from the Bahamas to France to North Africa; even the sets are rather impressive. It's a very nice movie to look at! Visuals go a long way, and NSNA does deliver in that department. Thirdly, and although I prefer the more silently menacing Emilio Largo of TB, I am never disappointed with Maximillian Largo of NSNA- he almost seems like a forerunner for Max Zorin in AVTAK, what with the whole psychopath thing going on. He and Fatima Blush make a very intriguing villainous pair, seen in their scenes at the casino. Still though, Emilio Largo and Fiona Volpe of TB are better; however, Max and Fatima are quite entertaining in NSNA. Now, as far as the downsides are concerned, they're fairly obvious- the soundtrack is horrific, Max von Sydow makes for an incredibly non-threatening Blofeld, there's no gunbarrel opening, no use of the James Bond theme, the finale is horribly weak, and Kim Basinger isn't always convincing as Domino. All things considered, NSNA is truly mediocre at best. It has its fine moments, like any "official" Bond outing, but doesn't leave you saying "wow".
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    I watch NSNA pretty often with the other films, and I always get some good laughs out of it. Like you said the soundtrack for the most part is very unimpressive. I do like the title song, but a lot of the other music like the chase scene where Bond finds Nicole dead, feels very awkward with the jazzy bass line going crazy. I guess the audience isn't really attached to that character anyways, but when she meets her demise she is quickly swept away with a fast jazz number.

    I was listening to some audio commentary from Roger Moore earlier today on one of his films and he was talking about NSNA. He said one of the problems with the film is that they made M and Q way too hokey and over the top. I agree mostly with what he said, but Q does at least show a bit of personality in his scene even if it is a bit forced.

    The ending drags on and on and amounts to basically a pile of rubbish. I guess one of the goofiest parts for me is the XT7B part on the submarine. Just the arrogance that Connery shows by saying he saw a Russian translation of your service manual and then the apology "Sorry bout that." Its just a goofy scene.

    Just like every bond film, I always find things I love and things that I don't like so much, but I still enjoy watching it.
  • pachazopachazo Make Your Choice
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    00Beast wrote:
    I am never disappointed with Maximillian Largo of NSNA- he almost seems like a forerunner for Max Zorin in AVTAK, what with the whole psychopath thing going on.
    Quite true. I'd never thought about it before but there is a striking resemblance with the whole look and "psychotic" feel between the two characters. Things that make you go hmmm...
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    I keep thinking that NSNA could have been so much better a film given the time McClory had to work on it and furthermore, given his ambitions to compete with EON and create his own long-lasting Bond franchise. Instead, he gobbled up something mediocre at best which I can enjoy but hardly revere as a good film. For such a labour of hatred, spawn from countless ridiculous court cases, NSNA is a grave disappointment. McClory made a total fool of himself; his career is a joke.
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    DAF is John Logan s favourite Bond film. Not sure what to make of that.

    Make it that we've got the right guy to write Bond scripts.

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