Brosnan's Bond movies need to be respected dispite certain issues with their respective contents.

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  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    Oy, mates. How many more threads have to be about Pierce being canned? We can criticize Brosnan without resorting to child's play and saying the film negatives should be destroyed. I wouldn't even say that about Moore's films. The truth is, some like Pierce, some don't. That's what you'll have to face. I am in no way a huge Brosnan fan, but it needs to be said, @chrisisall, that Pierce was part of what kept the franchise going after Tim flew the coop. Pierce brought in dozens of new fans to Bond from my generation, and without him the likes of @Creasy47, @00Beast, @X3MSonicX, @Murdock and @MrBond might not be here. So I would say it's a win win. Though Pierce had missteps in his performances and bad scripts abounded his era, he will forever have some cool moments as Bond and has still remained popular in the Bond community, bringing in new fans annually. In addition, Pierce is truly a nice bloke and wanted to play Bond because he loved the character, not for fame, things that can't be said for all our Bond actors, mind you. He has had nothing but class about this all, and had the time of his life while playing Bond, so much so that he was shocked when he was "fired". And still, after all that EON did to him, Pierce was in this year's Bond documentary, gushing about the series and proud to share his experiences that he holds so dearly and without any grudges. Call out Pierce all you want, but at least give him the respect he deserves for doing all that.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
    edited December 2012 Posts: 40,956
    chrisisall wrote:
    Thank you, DarthDimi, for your totally EXCELLENT attention and eloquent response. Really, I never expected this thread to last beyond a few posts, and that it has is a testament to the openness here at MI6. Seriously, this thread has more than made its point IMO, and closing it would be no source of ire for anyone here.
    I did change the title and the opening post for what it's worth to reflect the true objective of my thread.

    Why set out to create a thread you don't expect to last? No need to edit out a few of your comments just to dish out snarky sarcasm.

    I'll take my leave from this thread. It's been created to cause fighting and name calling, and I want to avoid as much of this as I can. There's been too much of it lately, and I don't care to listen to one-sided views on my favorite Bond, the Brozz. I'll treat it like I treated the SF dislike thread: say what you want, but I don't want a part of it unless it's a reasonable discussion.
  • Aziz_FekkeshAziz_Fekkesh Royale-les-Eaux
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    Like I've said before, can't we just love every interpretation of Bond, even if we don't like the respective films? Brosnan kept the series going, he didn't have the best films, but he was Bond like Moore was Bond. I enjoy all of the actors.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
    edited December 2012 Posts: 17,789
    Creasy47 wrote:
    my favorite Bond, the Brozz.

    Hey, I love the Brozz too. I just had a roundabout way of showing it here that not everyone will get. Sarcasm is not universally understood.
    was Bond like Moore was Bond. I enjoy all of the actors.
    Me too! Sorry if you took my goof on Brosnan Bashing seriously. TND is in my permanent top 5.
  • Aziz_FekkeshAziz_Fekkesh Royale-les-Eaux
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    I'm indifferent haha but lots here certainly seemed to take you seriously. Another fan of TND--we seem to be a very rare breed!
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    chrisisall wrote:
    Creasy47 wrote:
    my favorite Bond, the Brozz.

    Hey, I love the Brozz too. I just had a roundabout way of showing it here that not everyone will get. Sarcasm is not universally understood.
    You like Brosnan so much you want the film negatives of GE, TND, TWINE and DAD destroyed? That sure is love alright.
    8-|

    I am with @Creasy47. See you on the flip side, folks.
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  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
    edited December 2012 Posts: 17,789
    Another fan of TND--we seem to be a very rare breed!
    Other than a little too much 90's machine gun action, TND is just about perfect cinema Bond in every way IMO. The "Not growing up at all" line makes me LOL every time!
    You like Brosnan so much you want the film negatives of GE, TND, TWINE and DAD destroyed?
    Dude, it was to poke fun at Brosnan trashing in so many other threads! Sorry if I was so convincing as a hater. Didn't the "His nostrils are different sizes" comment tip you off?
    @-)
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    chrisisall wrote:
    You like Brosnan so much you want the film negatives of GE, TND, TWINE and DAD destroyed?
    Dude, it was to poke fun at Brosnan trashing in so many other threads! Sorry if I was so convincing as a hater. Didn't the "His nostrils are different sizes" comment tip you off?
    @-)
    No I stopped reading after the predictable filth in the thread title and first few sentences. :)
  • Amen!!! All of Pierce Bronsan's Bond films should be respect! A lot people said that all of Pierce Bronsan's Bond films were silly. I beg to differ. Despite some flaws, every Bond film that Pierce Bronsan was in were awesome & did well at the box office.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
    edited December 2012 Posts: 17,789
    Okay, maybe I totally miscalculated the possible reactions to what I was doing here. I can be too surreptitiously confrontational for my own good sometimes. :-?
    A lot people said that all of Pierce Bronsan's Bond films were silly. I beg to differ. Despite some flaws, every Bond film that Pierce Bronsan was in were awesome & did well at the box office.
    I even liked DAD... well... for a while... But Brosnan delivered a fine performance in it!!!!!
    Too bad the movie wasn't better than DAF in the end.
  • edited December 2012 Posts: 546
    chrisisall wrote:
    A lot people said that all of Pierce Bronsan's Bond films were silly. I beg to differ. Despite some flaws, every Bond film that Pierce Bronsan was in were awesome & did well at the box office.
    I even liked DAD... well... for a while... But Brosnan delivered a fine performance in it!!!!!
    Too bad the movie wasn't better than DAF in the end.

    I agree. I blame Purvas & Wade for Die Another Day getting mix reviews. I would have hired Michael France as the screen writer.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    I would have hired Michael France as the screen writer.
    Or Bruce Feirstein....
  • edited December 2012 Posts: 669
    chrisisall wrote:
    I would have hired Michael France as the screen writer.
    Or Bruce Feirstein....

    I couldn't agree more.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    Now we can add hypocrisy to this thread. But okay, better this way.

    @chrisisall, thank you for redeeming yourself so fast, despite the lack of logic that's now all over the premise of this thread, as others have pointed out. Also, please stop double posting. I've had to correct three double posts in this thread alone. Use the edit button unless you want to receive complaints about spamming. Thank you!
  • edited December 2012 Posts: 11,425
    In the topsy turvy spirit of this thread, it would be interesting as an intellectual exercise to have the Brosnan-bashers defend Brozza and the lovers act as devil's advocates. We can treat it as a mooting event...

    At the risk of kicking off another round of fisty-cuffs, I'll say it: Pierce Brosnan is the best James Bond.

    Forget Sean, Laz, Rog and Tim. They were just keeping the seat warm the ultimo Bond came along. You knew Lazenby wouldn't last when, after being slapped by a woman in On Her Majesty's Secret Service, he turned to the camera and said, "This never happened to the other fellow." Why not just have Jerry Lewis play the part? Not only that, he actually cried on camera. What a wuss!

    Dalton's Bond, on the other hand, was far too serious. It wasn't entirely his fault: AIDS was on the forefront of everyone's mind so there was no Pussy Galore for him to play with. "The major difference between Dalton and the earlier Bonds is that he seems to prefer action to sex," wrote Roger Ebert. That made him an effective killer... but a boring Bond. Too right!

    Now fans of Connery say he was all muscle, while those that support Moore preferred his wit. The perfect blend of each man's best qualities? That would yield Pierce Brosnan. He has it all -- keeping his enemies at bay with a punch or a witty retort. He's tough and cocky like Connery; super suave and debonair like Moore.

    Plus, Brosnan uses his own hair to play the part. Take that Connery!

    Dour Daniel Craig is nothing but a charmless retread of Dalton. When Bond looks like an SS officer from a WW2 movie you know you're in trouble.

    So, when the world is the target and the threat is real you can still depend on one man in an invisible car. Brosnan. Pierce Brosnan.

  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
    edited December 2012 Posts: 24,150
    I myself will come down from the middle. I won't downright expel Brosnan from the realms of Bond, nor will I defend the man like a wounded animal about to enter the slaughter house.

    Like all other Bonds, Brosnan brought good things and bad things to the role. (My problem with writing this, by the way, is that I've gone through this routine about 300 times already over the past 7 1/2 years, but okay). He had the cool and the swagger; his line delivery was at times splendid with excellent comic timing. And as for his physicality, well, he wasn't beefed up like Craig of course, but I'd say he came off rather good no matter what.

    Unfortunately there were moments where Brosnan less than shined and equally unfortunately he was sometimes handed script material that let him (and for that matter us too) down. Ergo, there's Brosnan (*nodding no*) and there's Brosnan (*nodding yes*). I still think the latter is more abundantly present in the films and so I don't look back on four Brosnan films with hatred or solid disgust, but rather with warm feelings of nostalgia and some sparks of brilliance.

    Lastly, on a purely human level, the man Pierce Brosnan seems like a great and nice guy, whom has befallen some personal tragedy over the years and whom I think deserves a little more credit than what some peeps are willing to give him.

    - Respect -
  • 002002
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    Look i understand that most people dont like Brosnan but honestly the truth is all the bonds were good in their ways (even Craig who i am adapting a certain begrudgable level of respect because of Skyfall and Casino Royale)

    Brosnan helped save the franchised with Goldeneye back in the 90s and he is a generally well loved Bond i mean all his films were just pure escapism (something that people didnt need to think about- they were just pure fun- yes DAD was not that great but he, Judi Dench and Rosmund Pike try to save the ship and he gives his best performance in it)

    he was the first bond to have sex with an x-men and foreplay with another x-men, he had the best bond video games, he seemed to be more sensitive and human- Dalton (and Lazenby) was a bit more human

    and lets face it Brosnan and Dalton actually both felt more authentic as a "British" Secret Agent- Moore was too campy (dont get me wrong i loved OP,FYEO, AVTAK, TSWLM and MR) but he just didnt feel too serious enough the scene in FYEO, Connery (despite all his best qualitys doesnt seem to be "British" because of his strong Scottish Accent), Lazenby (he was a bit too chirpy i never really got into him until his final scene with tracey in the car to be honest) and Craig well he is Blonde, more angry and his sense of humour (thank god is restored properly in Skyfall) isnt as strong as the other bonds (even Dalton had some good lines and he was generaly serious) but mind you Casino Royale and Skyfall are good bond films and he does have a somewhat likableness (the scene with the receptionist in CR makes me like him because he still retains a cheekyness which always brings a smile to my face)

    but to state that Brosnans films should be wiped is a personal offence and lets face it all of brosnans films is better than QOS


  • edited December 2012 Posts: 11,425
    There seems to be a lot of confusion recently about the 'Britishness' of Sean Connery. Sean might not like it, but Scotland is, and has been for over 300 years, a part of the United Kingdom of Great Britain.
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    Nothing wrong with Brosnan he played a good Bond a kind of a blend of Moore,Dalton and Connery and had a look about him that you could kind of image Bond himself would look like the only thing that let Brosnan down was DAD and some bad scripting. But his films was action packed and with Brosnans Bond you was left with a man that you truly Believe he could Kill bit like Connery, Craig, Dalton but was also kind of gentleman like. Bit like Moore's Bond so with this blend he doe's a fantastic job. And brings the Bond series bang up to date for the time so i take my hat off to that. Plus his sense of humor gave his Bond a lighthearted side which made him grate at the role at the time and could of made at least one more if it was more down to earth then DAD
  • NicNacNicNac Administrator, Moderator
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    Well, every time one of PB's Bond films is on Mrs Nac exclaims 'God, he's so handsome'.

    But then she fancies all the Bonds except Sir Rog.
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    oorogers wrote:
    Nothing wrong with Brosnan he played a good Bond a kind of a blend of Moore,Dalton and Connery and had a look about him that you could kind of image Bond himself would look like the only thing that let Brosnan down was DAD and some bad scripting. But his films was action packed and with Brosnans Bond you was left with a man that you truly Believe he could Kill bit like Connery, Craig, Dalton but was also kind of gentleman like.

    He was nothing like Dalton or Craig in that sense, he lacked that Cold dark brutal killer side of Bond ( when he shot Sophie Moreacu TWINE and said "I never miss" i taught thats more like it but then ruins it by kissing her). That what annoys me about Brosnan, he had it in him to be a nasty cold bastard which Craig has in spades but Brosnan Bond was so uncool cause he's too much Genleman and not enough killer plus his Bond was Gadget Crazy not enough hand to hand brutal killer. I don't despise his films but they just lack the sheer coolness and bad assery i need for a Great Bond.
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    Ah I see what happened. Total change of thread title. I'll go back to bashing Brozza then, although may be on another thread.
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    002 wrote:

    but to state that Brosnans films should be wiped is a personal offence and lets face it all of brosnans films is better than QOS

    Brozza's films should be wiped out from the franchise history, and for all its faults, QoS is still far better than any of Brozza's 4 films.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    Getafix wrote:
    Ah I see what happened. Total change of thread title. I'll go back to bashing Brozza then, although may be on another thread.

    Well, it's outlived its short and confusing purpose, this.
    Locky lock.

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