Who should/could be a Bond actor?

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  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    He definitely doesn't do it for me I'm afraid.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    Murdock wrote: »
    He definitely doesn't do it for me I'm afraid.

    Truthfully, me either; I keep trying to be open minded but he just doesn’t connect…
  • Posts: 7,057
    I'm a bit surprised that Turner doesn't have more support within the fanbase. I'm not sure he'd have been my #1 choice, but he fits the Fleming description almost to a T, he's charming, can be physically imposing, and has a great voice. Him being directed by Denis Villeneuve would have me pretty optimistic.

    Yeah, me too, my friend.
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
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    Not my ideal choice, but compared to some of the frankly mindboggling names being suggested, I guess Callum Turner would be ok.
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    I’m much more positive on him, but I’d put it in a similar way. It’s always going to be the case and has been during previous years of casting this role, but there are many good candidates for Bond. Not necessarily, however, a lot of really good ones who’d be able to naturally bring what’s needed (I’d put Harris Dickinson and Jacob Elordi in that category - both great actors who I imagine could make good Bonds. But I think both just lack that extra something needed to really thrive in this role - call it gravitas, alpha male energy, swagger or presence etc. Same for someone like Josh O’Connor). I think there are a number of potentials mentioned here are handsome and in theory promising, but lack similar qualities along with a noticeable lack of talent/charisma, and have shown through their previous roles they’re not capable of filling the big screen, prone to underwhelming performances. This is unacceptable for Bond unfortunately (Leo Suter, Louis Partridge, ATJ).

    Personally, I’d say Turner is one of the few options who could be really good in the part and has what’s naturally needed - charisma, talent, good looking, and has that natural gravitas/presence. Doesn’t mean he’s the only option, but he’s a pretty great one.
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    I'm not 100% convinced by any of the candidates. Callum isn't even young enough. He will be 38 years old when the movie comes out.

    If it ends up being him, I hope I'm wrong about him, but right now he seems like a mediocre option.
  • BennyBenny Shaken not stirredAdministrator, Moderator
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    I'm not 100% convinced by any of the candidates. Callum isn't even young enough. He will be 38 years old when the movie comes out.

    If it ends up being him, I hope I'm wrong about him, but right now he seems like a mediocre option.

    @DEKE_RIVERS take a nap
  • edited December 5 Posts: 6,500
    I can easily imagine a CR effect with the casting. They might have wanted to go young, but soon realise most candidates in their 20s/early 30s just don’t work and they’ll simply adjust the script accordingly to whoever they get. Turner’s a perfect age for Bond arguably, young if anything.

    To be clear I think there are really good younger potentials, but they’re rare and untested. They could well get lucky and find one who shines through.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited December 5 Posts: 19,762
    007HallY wrote: »
    I can easily imagine a CR effect with the casting. They might have wanted to go young, but soon realise most candidates in their 20s/early 30s just don’t work and they’ll simply adjust the script accordingly to whoever they get. Turner’s a perfect age for Bond arguably, young if anything.

    To be clear I think there are really good younger potentials, but they’re rare and untested. They could well get lucky and find one who shines through.

    Yeah, I've said it before, but I'd be really surprised if they didn't go for someone who has starred in at least a couple of films already, and that does tend to push the age up a little. There are exceptions, like as you mention, Elordi and Dickinson, but that almost seems to come with the situation that their careers are really hotting up right now and Bond might get in the way. But then again, you could probably have said the same of Andrew Garfield at the same age (he's always done really interesting stuff and is an amazing actor) but he still took Spider Man. It's all up for grabs really.
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    A young actor can grow with the character. There are enough films ahead to do so.
  • edited December 5 Posts: 6,500
    mtm wrote: »
    007HallY wrote: »
    I can easily imagine a CR effect with the casting. They might have wanted to go young, but soon realise most candidates in their 20s/early 30s just don’t work and they’ll simply adjust the script accordingly to whoever they get. Turner’s a perfect age for Bond arguably, young if anything.

    To be clear I think there are really good younger potentials, but they’re rare and untested. They could well get lucky and find one who shines through.

    Yeah, I've said it before, but I'd be really surprised if they didn't go for someone who has starred in at least a couple of films already, and that does tend to push the age up a little. There are exceptions, like as you mention, Elordi and Dickinson, but that almost seems to come with the situation that their careers are really hotting up right now and Bond might get in the way. But then again, you could probably have said the same of Andrew Garfield at the same age (he's always done really interesting stuff and is an amazing actor) but he still took Spider Man. It's all up for grabs really.
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    Yeah. I think it’s also a massive ask trusting a relatively inexperienced actor in their 20s (or indeed early 30s in many cases) with a role like Bond. The pressure is enormous all round, and if you get someone immature or not in the right headspace you get a Lazenby. Not to say an actor automatically gains that wisdom or temperament needed at 35, and there are experienced young actors, but age and a good deal of experience is beneficial with something like this.

    Interestingly Garfield was on the older side for Spiderman (28/29 I believe). So age/experience probably benefited him.
    A young actor can grow with the character. There are enough films ahead to do so.

    That’s just not how it works. They need to prove themselves from that first audition. Otherwise they can just try again in 10+ years.
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    007HallY wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    007HallY wrote: »
    I can easily imagine a CR effect with the casting. They might have wanted to go young, but soon realise most candidates in their 20s/early 30s just don’t work and they’ll simply adjust the script accordingly to whoever they get. Turner’s a perfect age for Bond arguably, young if anything.

    To be clear I think there are really good younger potentials, but they’re rare and untested. They could well get lucky and find one who shines through.

    Yeah, I've said it before, but I'd be really surprised if they didn't go for someone who has starred in at least a couple of films already, and that does tend to push the age up a little.

    Yeah. I think it’s also a massive ask trusting a relatively inexperienced actor in their 20s (or indeed early 30s in many cases) with a role like Bond. The pressure is enormous all round, and if you get someone immature or not in the right headspace you get a Lazenby. Not to say an actor automatically gains that wisdom or temperament needed at 35, and there are experienced young actors, but age and a good deal of experience is beneficial with something like this.
    A young actor can grow with the character. There are enough films ahead to do so.

    That’s just not how it works. They need to prove themselves from that first audition. Otherwise they can just try again in 10+ years.


    What I mean is that an actor can be a diamond in the rough. A good producer can see that. You don't need to wait 10 years for someone else to do the job you didn't want to do.
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    007HallY wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    007HallY wrote: »
    I can easily imagine a CR effect with the casting. They might have wanted to go young, but soon realise most candidates in their 20s/early 30s just don’t work and they’ll simply adjust the script accordingly to whoever they get. Turner’s a perfect age for Bond arguably, young if anything.

    To be clear I think there are really good younger potentials, but they’re rare and untested. They could well get lucky and find one who shines through.

    Yeah, I've said it before, but I'd be really surprised if they didn't go for someone who has starred in at least a couple of films already, and that does tend to push the age up a little.

    Yeah. I think it’s also a massive ask trusting a relatively inexperienced actor in their 20s (or indeed early 30s in many cases) with a role like Bond. The pressure is enormous all round, and if you get someone immature or not in the right headspace you get a Lazenby. Not to say an actor automatically gains that wisdom or temperament needed at 35, and there are experienced young actors, but age and a good deal of experience is beneficial with something like this.
    A young actor can grow with the character. There are enough films ahead to do so.

    That’s just not how it works. They need to prove themselves from that first audition. Otherwise they can just try again in 10+ years.


    What I mean is that an actor can be a diamond in the rough. A good producer can see that. You don't need to wait 10 years for someone else to do the job you didn't want to do.

    It depends on the options. I don’t think they’ll pick a promising candidate who isn’t as good with the vague promise they can ‘grow into the role’ over a slightly older one who proves they can do it well. They need a good Bond at the end of the day. But it completely depends on the actors.
  • edited December 5 Posts: 2,617
    007HallY wrote: »
    007HallY wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    007HallY wrote: »
    I can easily imagine a CR effect with the casting. They might have wanted to go young, but soon realise most candidates in their 20s/early 30s just don’t work and they’ll simply adjust the script accordingly to whoever they get. Turner’s a perfect age for Bond arguably, young if anything.

    To be clear I think there are really good younger potentials, but they’re rare and untested. They could well get lucky and find one who shines through.

    Yeah, I've said it before, but I'd be really surprised if they didn't go for someone who has starred in at least a couple of films already, and that does tend to push the age up a little.

    Yeah. I think it’s also a massive ask trusting a relatively inexperienced actor in their 20s (or indeed early 30s in many cases) with a role like Bond. The pressure is enormous all round, and if you get someone immature or not in the right headspace you get a Lazenby. Not to say an actor automatically gains that wisdom or temperament needed at 35, and there are experienced young actors, but age and a good deal of experience is beneficial with something like this.
    A young actor can grow with the character. There are enough films ahead to do so.

    That’s just not how it works. They need to prove themselves from that first audition. Otherwise they can just try again in 10+ years.


    What I mean is that an actor can be a diamond in the rough. A good producer can see that. You don't need to wait 10 years for someone else to do the job you didn't want to do.

    It depends on the options. I don’t think they’ll pick a promising candidate who isn’t as good with the vague promise they can ‘grow into the role’ over a slightly older one who proves they can do it well. They need a good Bond at the end of the day. But it completely depends on the actors.

    Yes, but if you want to make a reboot with a young Bond, then maybe you need a young actor. Plus, you can make more movies with him.

    If age doesn't matter, they should get Theo James. He has more experience, more fans, and is a safer bet.
  • MSL49MSL49 Finland
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    007HallY wrote: »
    I'm always weary when people say 'Cubby would have chosen x for Bond' for what it's worth ;) The man had some quite unusual choices for potential Bonds frankly! I've seen a bit of Hauer-King though. I'm not sure he jumps out to me as an actor, much less a potential James Bond, but I'm sure if Amazon were coming up with a list of names he'd be on it and may well audition.

    Who you put in that unusual list?
  • MSL49MSL49 Finland
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    007HallY wrote: »
    I can easily imagine a CR effect with the casting. They might have wanted to go young, but soon realise most candidates in their 20s/early 30s just don’t work and they’ll simply adjust the script accordingly to whoever they get. Turner’s a perfect age for Bond arguably, young if anything.

    To be clear I think there are really good younger potentials, but they’re rare and untested. They could well get lucky and find one who shines through.

    What you think are young candidates this day too unexperienced?
  • edited December 5 Posts: 6,500
    007HallY wrote: »
    007HallY wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    007HallY wrote: »
    I can easily imagine a CR effect with the casting. They might have wanted to go young, but soon realise most candidates in their 20s/early 30s just don’t work and they’ll simply adjust the script accordingly to whoever they get. Turner’s a perfect age for Bond arguably, young if anything.

    To be clear I think there are really good younger potentials, but they’re rare and untested. They could well get lucky and find one who shines through.

    Yeah, I've said it before, but I'd be really surprised if they didn't go for someone who has starred in at least a couple of films already, and that does tend to push the age up a little.

    Yeah. I think it’s also a massive ask trusting a relatively inexperienced actor in their 20s (or indeed early 30s in many cases) with a role like Bond. The pressure is enormous all round, and if you get someone immature or not in the right headspace you get a Lazenby. Not to say an actor automatically gains that wisdom or temperament needed at 35, and there are experienced young actors, but age and a good deal of experience is beneficial with something like this.
    A young actor can grow with the character. There are enough films ahead to do so.

    That’s just not how it works. They need to prove themselves from that first audition. Otherwise they can just try again in 10+ years.


    What I mean is that an actor can be a diamond in the rough. A good producer can see that. You don't need to wait 10 years for someone else to do the job you didn't want to do.

    It depends on the options. I don’t think they’ll pick a promising candidate who isn’t as good with the vague promise they can ‘grow into the role’ over a slightly older one who proves they can do it well. They need a good Bond at the end of the day. But it completely depends on the actors.

    Yes, but if you want to make a reboot with a young actor, then maybe you need a young actor. Plus, you can make more movies with him.

    If age doesn't matter, they should get Theo James. He has more experience, more fans, and is a safer bet.

    I never got the hype for Theo James as Bond honestly. He was fine in The Gentlemen and I think he’s done some good stuff, but I’ve never really gotten ‘Bond’ from him. That and I think he’s more or less said he probably wouldn't do it.

    I think the problem is that in practice we don’t know what they’re doing. The ‘insider’ stuff about Bond in the navy is so second hand and comes at such an early stage for this film that even if that were true it could conceivably change or not quite be the full story (I mean, if we believe this Turner rumour, that already shows at least one significant member of the creative team is willing to go for an actor in their mid 30s if they see something in them). Also presumably they’ll be contracted for a certain number of movies, so it doesn’t necessarily mean a younger actor will make more films at all.
    MSL49 wrote: »
    007HallY wrote: »
    I can easily imagine a CR effect with the casting. They might have wanted to go young, but soon realise most candidates in their 20s/early 30s just don’t work and they’ll simply adjust the script accordingly to whoever they get. Turner’s a perfect age for Bond arguably, young if anything.

    To be clear I think there are really good younger potentials, but they’re rare and untested. They could well get lucky and find one who shines through.

    What you think are young candidates this day too unexperienced?

    Most young actors always will be for Bond. I think it comes back to what EON’s casting director said. Younger actors often lack gravitas, and for a character like Bond who is quite worldly it’s very difficult believing someone too young could be this extraordinary, energetic character. There are exceptions, and age is no guarantee in itself. But generally speaking experience and time benefit anyone.
    MSL49 wrote: »
    007HallY wrote: »
    I'm always weary when people say 'Cubby would have chosen x for Bond' for what it's worth ;) The man had some quite unusual choices for potential Bonds frankly! I've seen a bit of Hauer-King though. I'm not sure he jumps out to me as an actor, much less a potential James Bond, but I'm sure if Amazon were coming up with a list of names he'd be on it and may well audition.

    Who you put in that unusual list?

    That Cubby and the team suggested back in the day? You've got a range of American actors like James Brolin, John Gavin, Burt Reynolds etc. There's left field ones like Randolph Fiennes, Michael Gambon, Roger Green, and I know even Tom Jones was considered for DAF at one point! I think people take for granted just how offbeat casting Connery was too. I think it shows just how extensively they looked for new Bonds, but of course how few were chosen or even got to a certain stage.
  • edited December 5 Posts: 6,500
    MSL49 wrote: »
    007HallY wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    007HallY wrote: »
    I can easily imagine a CR effect with the casting. They might have wanted to go young, but soon realise most candidates in their 20s/early 30s just don’t work and they’ll simply adjust the script accordingly to whoever they get. Turner’s a perfect age for Bond arguably, young if anything.

    To be clear I think there are really good younger potentials, but they’re rare and untested. They could well get lucky and find one who shines through.

    Yeah, I've said it before, but I'd be really surprised if they didn't go for someone who has starred in at least a couple of films already, and that does tend to push the age up a little. There are exceptions, like as you mention, Elordi and Dickinson, but that almost seems to come with the situation that their careers are really hotting up right now and Bond might get in the way. But then again, you could probably have said the same of Andrew Garfield at the same age (he's always done really interesting stuff and is an amazing actor) but he still took Spider Man. It's all up for grabs really.
    .

    Yeah. I think it’s also a massive ask trusting a relatively inexperienced actor in their 20s (or indeed early 30s in many cases) with a role like Bond. The pressure is enormous all round, and if you get someone immature or not in the right headspace you get a Lazenby. Not to say an actor automatically gains that wisdom or temperament needed at 35, and there are experienced young actors, but age and a good deal of experience is beneficial with something like this.

    Interestingly Garfield was on the older side for Spiderman (28/29 I believe). So age/experience probably benefited him.
    A young actor can grow with the character. There are enough films ahead to do so.

    That’s just not how it works. They need to prove themselves from that first audition. Otherwise they can just try again in 10+ years.

    What you guys think of Garfields Spiderman? Was he the right choice? Who else were running for the role?

    Supposedly, according to Google and assuming it’s accurate:

    Josh Hutcherson
    Logan Lerman
    Aaron Taylor-Johnson
    Alden Ehrenreich
    Anton Yelchin
    Jamie Bell

    Yes, I suspect he was very much the best option. Not a huge fan of those films but I like Garfield in the role, and I think he’s a cut above those actors in terms of talent, charisma, and likability (although there are some good contenders there).
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    That's interesting, I never heard of those being up for it. I thought Yelchin was really talented, I could see him doing it well. But Garfield is a pretty brilliant actor.
  • edited December 5 Posts: 6,500
    Does make me think there's some sort of obligatory 'ATJ must be at least considered' thing for many of these big roles! A bit like Henry Cavill before Superman or Nicholas Hoult. I'm awaiting the rumour that ATJ is on a shortlist for the new DCU Batman (but won't get it ultimately).

    That said I probably would have thought him a likely option for Spiderman that soon after Kick Ass.
  • sandbagger1sandbagger1 Sussex
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    As has been pointed out, he’s a decent actor and has leading man looks, but he seems determined to act in film rather than take TV jobs. I’m not surprised he’s in the mix for so many of these roles, but no one needs Kraven on their resumé. Bullet Train is the most interesting he’s been on screen, and that was a comedic role.
  • MSL49MSL49 Finland
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    007HallY wrote: »
    MSL49 wrote: »
    007HallY wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    007HallY wrote: »
    I can easily imagine a CR effect with the casting. They might have wanted to go young, but soon realise most candidates in their 20s/early 30s just don’t work and they’ll simply adjust the script accordingly to whoever they get. Turner’s a perfect age for Bond arguably, young if anything.

    To be clear I think there are really good younger potentials, but they’re rare and untested. They could well get lucky and find one who shines through.

    Yeah, I've said it before, but I'd be really surprised if they didn't go for someone who has starred in at least a couple of films already, and that does tend to push the age up a little. There are exceptions, like as you mention, Elordi and Dickinson, but that almost seems to come with the situation that their careers are really hotting up right now and Bond might get in the way. But then again, you could probably have said the same of Andrew Garfield at the same age (he's always done really interesting stuff and is an amazing actor) but he still took Spider Man. It's all up for grabs really.
    .

    Yeah. I think it’s also a massive ask trusting a relatively inexperienced actor in their 20s (or indeed early 30s in many cases) with a role like Bond. The pressure is enormous all round, and if you get someone immature or not in the right headspace you get a Lazenby. Not to say an actor automatically gains that wisdom or temperament needed at 35, and there are experienced young actors, but age and a good deal of experience is beneficial with something like this.

    Interestingly Garfield was on the older side for Spiderman (28/29 I believe). So age/experience probably benefited him.
    A young actor can grow with the character. There are enough films ahead to do so.

    That’s just not how it works. They need to prove themselves from that first audition. Otherwise they can just try again in 10+ years.

    What you guys think of Garfields Spiderman? Was he the right choice? Who else were running for the role?

    Supposedly, according to Google and assuming it’s accurate:

    Josh Hutcherson
    Logan Lerman
    Aaron Taylor-Johnson
    Alden Ehrenreich
    Anton Yelchin
    Jamie Bell

    Yes, I suspect he was very much the best option. Not a huge fan of those films but I like Garfield in the role, and I think he’s a cut above those actors in terms of talent, charisma, and likability (although there are some good contenders there).

    Who you put in this good contenders list?
  • buddyoldchapbuddyoldchap Formerly known as JeremyBondon
    Posts: 352
    Pretty sure this "news" about Callum Turner is nothing more than tabloid fodder. DV isn't busy with casting Bond at the moment.
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