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  • MSL49MSL49 Finland
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    CR really was big break for Mikkelsen someone like that for the next one would be good.
  • 007HallY007HallY
    edited November 19 Posts: 6,438
    In fairness to Mikkelsen his career in Denmark was very respectable in the nine years prior to CR. I'd even go as far as to call it extraordinary considering the roles he got within the short time he began acting. He'd already began dipping his toes in Hollywood with King Arthur too. But yes, he became famous internationally because of CR.

    An actor like him would be great, but it's worth saying he's always been much more charismatic and distinctive than your average lesser known European character actor. I can't think of many like him.
  • Jordo007Jordo007 Merseyside
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    MSL49 wrote: »
    CR really was big break for Mikkelsen someone like that for the next one would be good.

    I'd love that personally.

    A problem I had with the last few Craig films is I knew what the villian was going to be like before I saw the film. Silva was the exception, because I think Bardem is a great actor, who gave the audience something different.
  • 007HallY007HallY
    edited November 19 Posts: 6,438
    Yes, Bardem's the flip side to why casting a bigger actor as the villain could be a positive.

    Honestly, it just depends. But I can imagine them going bigger or at least with someone a bit more recognisable for this one. I think that's fine and completely understandable. I'm not sure I'd have had that much enthusiasm for, say, Tomasz Kot being cast as the villain of NTTD (he's a very good actor incidentally, but I'm not sure I can imagine him being big enough a presence to really make an impact, and few would recognise him in English speaking countries).
  • VenutiusVenutius Yorkshire
    edited November 19 Posts: 3,416
    I'm also hoping that they'll do what they did with Mads Mikkelson and Jesper Christiansen and look for European or Scandinavian character actors - actors who've got the chops but maybe not the international profile. Suspect that Hally's right, though, and for this first one they'll go for a bigger name or, at least, someone more recognisable to English-speaking audiences.
  • DaltonforyouDaltonforyou The Daltonator
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    Denzel Washington.
  • sandbagger1sandbagger1 Sussex
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    Daltonforyou wrote: »
    Denzel Washington.

    I think he’s too good for a first time Bond to share a screen with. He really walked off with Gladiator 2 whenever he was on screen, no one else stood a chance.
  • DaltonforyouDaltonforyou The Daltonator
    edited November 19 Posts: 989
    Perhaps now would be a good time for Chiwetel Ejiofor and bring back the African Warlord concept?
  • LudovicoLudovico
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    007HallY wrote: »
    In fairness to Mikkelsen his career in Denmark was very respectable in the nine years prior to CR. I'd even go as far as to call it extraordinary considering the roles he got within the short time he began acting. He'd already began dipping his toes in Hollywood with King Arthur too. But yes, he became famous internationally because of CR.

    An actor like him would be great, but it's worth saying he's always been much more charismatic and distinctive than your average lesser known European character actor. I can't think of many like him.

    There's lessee known and lesser known. There's plenty of great actors who are well known in their country of origins, but unknown internationally, or known in the industry, but not known yet by the general public.
  • 007HallY007HallY
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    Ludovico wrote: »
    007HallY wrote: »
    In fairness to Mikkelsen his career in Denmark was very respectable in the nine years prior to CR. I'd even go as far as to call it extraordinary considering the roles he got within the short time he began acting. He'd already began dipping his toes in Hollywood with King Arthur too. But yes, he became famous internationally because of CR.

    An actor like him would be great, but it's worth saying he's always been much more charismatic and distinctive than your average lesser known European character actor. I can't think of many like him.

    There's lessee known and lesser known. There's plenty of great actors who are well known in their country of origins, but unknown internationally, or known in the industry, but not known yet by the general public.

    Yes, and I think with the right pick a character actor popular in their own country, but relatively unknown in Hollywood, could be great. I personally can't think of any foreign actor who has what Mikelsen has/had though.
  • sandbagger1sandbagger1 Sussex
    edited November 19 Posts: 1,172
    007HallY wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    007HallY wrote: »
    In fairness to Mikkelsen his career in Denmark was very respectable in the nine years prior to CR. I'd even go as far as to call it extraordinary considering the roles he got within the short time he began acting. He'd already began dipping his toes in Hollywood with King Arthur too. But yes, he became famous internationally because of CR.

    An actor like him would be great, but it's worth saying he's always been much more charismatic and distinctive than your average lesser known European character actor. I can't think of many like him.

    There's lessee known and lesser known. There's plenty of great actors who are well known in their country of origins, but unknown internationally, or known in the industry, but not known yet by the general public.

    Yes, and I think with the right pick a character actor popular in their own country, but relatively unknown in Hollywood, could be great. I personally can't think of any foreign actor who has what Mikelsen has/had though.
    Lee Byung-hun is charismatic and can speak English fluently, though he’s getting old (he’s a year older than me, but he does not look it!). Edit: of course he’s well known internationally, though. I kind of forgot about that bit.
  • LudovicoLudovico
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    007HallY wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    007HallY wrote: »
    In fairness to Mikkelsen his career in Denmark was very respectable in the nine years prior to CR. I'd even go as far as to call it extraordinary considering the roles he got within the short time he began acting. He'd already began dipping his toes in Hollywood with King Arthur too. But yes, he became famous internationally because of CR.

    An actor like him would be great, but it's worth saying he's always been much more charismatic and distinctive than your average lesser known European character actor. I can't think of many like him.

    There's lessee known and lesser known. There's plenty of great actors who are well known in their country of origins, but unknown internationally, or known in the industry, but not known yet by the general public.

    Yes, and I think with the right pick a character actor popular in their own country, but relatively unknown in Hollywood, could be great. I personally can't think of any foreign actor who has what Mikelsen has/had though.

    Right off the bat, I can think of a few Québec (where I'm from) actors who could play or could have played when they were younger great Bond villains. David La Haye for instance, Marcel Sabourin, Yves Jacques, Luc Picard, Pierre Lebeau, etc. Really great actors, but little known outside French Canada, sometimes France.
  • 007HallY007HallY
    edited November 19 Posts: 6,438
    Ludovico wrote: »
    007HallY wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    007HallY wrote: »
    In fairness to Mikkelsen his career in Denmark was very respectable in the nine years prior to CR. I'd even go as far as to call it extraordinary considering the roles he got within the short time he began acting. He'd already began dipping his toes in Hollywood with King Arthur too. But yes, he became famous internationally because of CR.

    An actor like him would be great, but it's worth saying he's always been much more charismatic and distinctive than your average lesser known European character actor. I can't think of many like him.

    There's lessee known and lesser known. There's plenty of great actors who are well known in their country of origins, but unknown internationally, or known in the industry, but not known yet by the general public.

    Yes, and I think with the right pick a character actor popular in their own country, but relatively unknown in Hollywood, could be great. I personally can't think of any foreign actor who has what Mikelsen has/had though.

    Right off the bat, I can think of a few Québec (where I'm from) actors who could play or could have played when they were younger great Bond villains. David La Haye for instance, Marcel Sabourin, Yves Jacques, Luc Picard, Pierre Lebeau, etc. Really great actors, but little known outside French Canada, sometimes France.

    I can imagine Agathe Rousselle being a fantastic Bond villainess or henchwoman who fits that mould. Not sure how well known she is in France, and I think she's more or less at the start of her film career, but Titane had a pretty good international reaction and she proved she can play a psychopath. I think she's got an interesting look/screen presence too.

    I'll bring up two more who were in a Julia Ducournau film! Tahar Rahim and Golshifteh Farahani. Not quite as sold on either, but it depends.
  • MSL49MSL49 Finland
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    sandbagger1 wrote: »
    007HallY wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    007HallY wrote: »
    In fairness to Mikkelsen his career in Denmark was very respectable in the nine years prior to CR. I'd even go as far as to call it extraordinary considering the roles he got within the short time he began acting. He'd already began dipping his toes in Hollywood with King Arthur too. But yes, he became famous internationally because of CR.

    An actor like him would be great, but it's worth saying he's always been much more charismatic and distinctive than your average lesser known European character actor. I can't think of many like him.

    There's lessee known and lesser known. There's plenty of great actors who are well known in their country of origins, but unknown internationally, or known in the industry, but not known yet by the general public.

    Yes, and I think with the right pick a character actor popular in their own country, but relatively unknown in Hollywood, could be great. I personally can't think of any foreign actor who has what Mikelsen has/had though.
    Lee Byung-hun is charismatic and can speak English fluently, though he’s getting old (he’s a year older than me, but he does not look it!). Edit: of course he’s well known internationally, though. I kind of forgot about that bit.

    I liked his T-1000 could have used him more in TG.
  • LudovicoLudovico
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    I gave his name before, but Lucian Msamati could make a great Bond villain. He's a veteran actor, not too famous, he played villains before on stage, and very challenging ones: Salieri and Iago.
  • sandbagger1sandbagger1 Sussex
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    Ludovico wrote: »
    I gave his name before, but Lucian Msamati could make a great Bond villain. He's a veteran actor, not too famous, he played villains before on stage, and very challenging ones: Salieri and Iago.
    Yeah, I’ve seen him in a bunch of things (Conclave being the last), he”s very good. I’m sure he’d make for an excellent villain.

    He’d make a good ‘M’, too, but he’s probably not a big enough name now the part has become something of a trophy role.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Get old Jorma Tommila from Sisu in; he's got plenty of screen presence.
  • VenutiusVenutius Yorkshire
    edited November 26 Posts: 3,416
    Someone mentioned Angela Sarafyan as a potential female villain a couple of years back and although she's a bit more well-known now, I can still see her in such a role quite clearly. She's quite striking and not in a standard Hollywood way and I know she's been called all the usual stuff already: strange, exotic, otherworldly, etc, but for once it's not just promo guff - she really does convey those things. I suspect that Amazon won't go for a female supervillain first time out, but if and when they do she'd be a great and distinctive choice. IMO, obvs.

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  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    I think it's perfectly possible for Amazon to go female villain with the first one, it's not really that unusual for most movies apart from Bond really.
  • sandbagger1sandbagger1 Sussex
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    I think most films will shy away from showing the hero hitting a woman with a closed fist, but other than that I think it depends on the context, whether it is in a fantasy setting, etc. I’ve suggested before that a sniper duel between 007 and an adversary is something we’ve not seen before, and I think Bond is supposed to be the best shot in the service; that could work well with a female villain, imo.
  • VenutiusVenutius Yorkshire
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    mtm wrote: »
    I think it's perfectly possible for Amazon to go female villain with the first one, it's not really that unusual for most movies apart from Bond really.
    Indeed, it's perfectly possible - but is it actually likely? It's long overdue and I hope it happens, but given that Bond films haven't had a woman as the principal villain for over a quarter of a century, I'm not holding out much hope that they'll go that route. Unfortunately.
  • 007HallY007HallY
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    I don’t think it’s unlikely. I can imagine at least a female henchwoman. I don’t think it’s something they’ll shy away from in that sense.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    sandbagger1 wrote: »
    I think most films will shy away from showing the hero hitting a woman with a closed fist, but other than that I think it depends on the context, whether it is in a fantasy setting, etc. I’ve suggested before that a sniper duel between 007 and an adversary is something we’ve not seen before, and I think Bond is supposed to be the best shot in the service; that could work well with a female villain, imo.

    The sniper idea is a nice one; I'm not worried not hitting the villain though- I don't think Craig hit Le Chiffre or Blofeld, it's quite possible to do a Bond film like that. I'd say he got into a physical tussle with Goldfinger no rougher than his one with Rosa Klebb, y'know.
    Venutius wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    I think it's perfectly possible for Amazon to go female villain with the first one, it's not really that unusual for most movies apart from Bond really.
    Indeed, it's perfectly possible - but is it actually likely? It's long overdue and I hope it happens, but given that Bond films haven't had a woman as the principal villain for over a quarter of a century, I'm not holding out much hope that they'll go that route. Unfortunately.

    I don't think there's any reason they wouldn't. Now You See Me is doing well in the cinema now and the baddie is Rosamund Pike, I think of Cate Blanchett doing good baddies in Marvel and Indy, I don't think there's any sort of issue with it.
  • 007HallY007HallY
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    I mean, they can go quite far with Bond fighting a female villain anyway. We’ve already had Onnatop. There’s a pretty brutal fight with K and the henchwoman of Blade Runner 2049 too, so I suspect Villeneuve could depict it fine enough.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited November 26 Posts: 19,695
    Yeah male on female fights aren't unheard of recently: I think of Mission Impossible Dead Reckoning where Cruise fights Pom Klementieff and wins, and Rebecca Ferguson fights Esai Morales and (spoiler!!) loses, and both are pretty full-on fights - so it's not even as you have to show the woman beating the man.
  • VenutiusVenutius Yorkshire
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    Oh, I dunno, one principal female villain in 25 films and none for over a quarter of a century suggests to me that it's highly unlikely that the main villain in Bond 26 will be a woman. Who knows what's in the minds of the new producers, but 24 male principal villains and only one female suggests that the odds lean towards another male this time too. Again, I'd like to be wrong on this.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    As you say though, new producers, new writers, new director, I don't think the old rules necessarily count.
  • LudovicoLudovico
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    I'd love to see a villainess in the mold of Rosa Klebb or Irma Bunt. Someone akin to the Judi Dench character in Notes on a Scandal, gross and predatory. Can't think of anyone to play her. Except Cate Blanchett, perhaps, but she's just too sexy. Her Lydia Tar was amazing, she could play such character in a Bond film, but I was thinking of someone more repulsive.
  • VenutiusVenutius Yorkshire
    edited November 26 Posts: 3,416
    mtm wrote: »
    As you say though, new producers, new writers, new director, I don't think the old rules necessarily count.
    Yes, good point. Will Amazon want to just hit all the continuity marks in order to win over existing fans or change it up to put their own stamp on it? If so, which elements might they tweak and to what extent, etc. CR showed that it's possible to make a great film that includes both those approaches to some degree, so Villeneuve's comment that CR and SF are the reference points bodes well, I'd say.
    Ludovico wrote: »
    I'd love to see a villainess in the mold of Rosa Klebb or Irma Bunt.
    Irma Bunt was in a lot of the earlier SP drafts - did anyone ever hear any rumours about possible casting choices for the role back in 2014?
  • HASEROTHASEROT has returned like the tedious inevitability of an unloved season---
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    Mark Strong is usually always type cast as a villain, but I think he would’ve made a better and more formidable Blofeld in the Craig films.
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