Which actor would make a good Bond villain?

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  • Posts: 16,265
    We're getting off topic here.

    My money for the next Bond villain is still Cillian Murphy. Not that he'd be my first choice, but if they go for the same casting choices of villains from the mid to late Craig era (they might not), I think he just might be their first choice.

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    Ludovico wrote: »
    We're getting off topic here.

    My money for the next Bond villain is still Cillian Murphy. Not that he'd be my first choice, but if they go for the same casting choices of villains from the mid to late Craig era (they might not), I think he just might be their first choice.

    What ? Isn't there a law stating that no one who played a villain in a Batman movie may portray a hero in a Bond film ?
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    Since62 wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    We're getting off topic here.

    My money for the next Bond villain is still Cillian Murphy. Not that he'd be my first choice, but if they go for the same casting choices of villains from the mid to late Craig era (they might not), I think he just might be their first choice.

    What ? Isn't there a law stating that no one who played a villain in a Batman movie may portray a hero in a Bond film ?

    Not sure I understand the sense of your joke. Do you mean it's likely Murphy will play the villain or it's unlikely he will?
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    The horrible thought at the back of my mind is the next villain will be played by Jared Leto...

    I mean, it's happened before in a Villeneuve film... and it was awful.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Surely by now Hollywood is getting the message about Leto?
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    007HallY wrote: »
    The horrible thought at the back of my mind is the next villain will be played by Jared Leto...

    I mean, it's happened before in a Villeneuve film... and it was awful.

    The Bond movies might miscast a famed and respected actor, but surely Leto doesn't fit that category.
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    Ludovico wrote: »
    007HallY wrote: »
    The horrible thought at the back of my mind is the next villain will be played by Jared Leto...

    I mean, it's happened before in a Villeneuve film... and it was awful.

    The Bond movies might miscast a famed and respected actor, but surely Leto doesn't fit that category.

    You'd think, right? And yet Leto still seems to be working.
    mtm wrote: »
    Surely by now Hollywood is getting the message about Leto?

    The guy must know something incriminating about some big producer somewhere... I don't see any other reason why he'd continue to get cast putting in some of the performances he's done (and that's not even mentioning sexual harassment allegations).
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    This tweet which popped up again last week did tickle me

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    mtm wrote: »
    This tweet which popped up again last week did tickle me

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    It's actually mad. For an actor with such an unsettling presence during interviews he's rubbish at playing villains.

    Anyway, looking forward to seeing him in the next Bond film I guess... maybe.
  • BennyBenny Shaken not stirredAdministrator, Moderator
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    Jared Leto is box office poison.
    Almost guaranteed to help a film bomb.
  • MSL49MSL49 Finland
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    I dont agree Jared is so multitalented that only very rare people are.
  • LucknFateLucknFate 007 In New York
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    MSL49 wrote: »
    I dont agree Jared is so multitalented that only very rare people are.

    Well there's the part of his treatment of young women, potential exploitation of a minor, and his cultish-group leadership over followers. Talent does not excuse problematic behavior and you have to admit his talent clearly does not drive audiences to see him in theaters! So why defend him?
  • And he makes terrible music!
  • Posts: 16,265
    I'm rewatching Halloween 2018 at the moment. Seeing Jefferson Hall in it, whom I suggested earlier in this thread, it really got me thinking: I'd really rather see them cast a lesser known veteran actor than an Oscar winner. There's a chameleon quality many actors lose when they become famous. I didn't recognise Hall right away watching Halloween, I didn't make the connection between this role and others I've seen him in.
  • MSL49MSL49 Finland
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    And he makes terrible music!

    So why then so many people listen bad music?
  • LucknFateLucknFate 007 In New York
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    MSL49 wrote: »
    And he makes terrible music!

    So why then so many people listen bad music?

    You are defending a pervert and pest.
  • Posts: 16,265
    Watching The Helicopter Heist at the moment. About half the male cast have perfect faces for Bond villains. It just confirms my belief that, instead of having British actors play badguys by default, they should definitely go Scandinavian.
  • BennyBenny Shaken not stirredAdministrator, Moderator
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    I’m not sure if he’s been suggested. It might be a slightly controversial choice, but how about Daniel Craig as the main villain in a future Bond film?

    He’s an incredibly versatile and talented actor, who I think could make an excellent Bond villain.
    Especially as he gets older.

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    Even though he was James Bond, that was in the EON era, and Amazon are likely to take things in a different direction to some extent.
    He also looks, or can look very different from his 007 look.

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    Nice idea @Benny and he could certainly pull it off, but rheres no doubt Craig is done with Bond in any capacity! Its a bit like Mendes idea to have Connery as Kincaid in SF, it just would be too distracting!
  • Posts: 16,265
    Too distracting.
  • MSL49MSL49 Finland
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    Benny wrote: »
    I’m not sure if he’s been suggested. It might be a slightly controversial choice, but how about Daniel Craig as the main villain in a future Bond film?

    He’s an incredibly versatile and talented actor, who I think could make an excellent Bond villain.
    Especially as he gets older.

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    Even though he was James Bond, that was in the EON era, and Amazon are likely to take things in a different direction to some extent.
    He also looks, or can look very different from his 007 look.

    He looks good.
  • DaltonforyouDaltonforyou The Daltonator
    edited November 12 Posts: 987
    April fools was earlier in the year, @Benny. That would be so strange to watch. And no doubt some filmgoers would think he is some some sort of revived Bond gone bad or something.

    I guess we'll see what they do with RDJ in the Avengers movie.
  • Posts: 2,252
    Give me an actor who exudes meanness.
  • Posts: 16,265
    I said it before: pretty much the whole cast of The Helicopter Heist. A lot of them anyway.
  • ObannoObanno Somewhere & Everywhere
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    mtm wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »

    I prefer him to Lazenby, certainly.

    Ditto - him and about 3 others. Dalton shot his way up my rankings after my last couple viewings of his films.

    After Lazenby I find him the least of them. All of the others remembered that Bond should have that self-confident swagger, that's what audiences love about the character. But Dalton missed it, and he wasn't a hit as a consequence. Craig's Bond is a much more successful version for my money because he kept what was successful about the screen Bond and added the danger of the books in. I can't imagine Dalton doing the Ocean Club car parking bit of CR and making it as fun as Craig, but Craig feels completely like the Bond we love in that bit to me.
    In his villainous roles Dalton can be a bit more full of himself, and he seems weirdly more like Bond in them as a result than he ever did playing Bond. When I watch Rocketeer I want that guy as 007.

    Craig would have been great as Red Grant, but he was also great as Bond. In truth, Robert Shaw could have been a pretty great Bond too.
    I'd have liked to have seen him with a different director, maybe someone else would have got more out of him.

    I would have too - apparently he ended up getting into a bit of a conflict with John Glen during LTK towards the end of that shoot. I wonder what that was over.

    Really? I didn't know that. I think LTK could have been stronger with a different director, yeah.

    I know I'm late to this, but you make an interesting point (see bolded).

    I remember seeing Dalton in on-set interviews promoting TLD and LTK and him coming across more Bondian than he did in his movies. He had a relaxed and effortless air about him that was missing when he was on screen.

    Which leads to a larger point I wanted to make. The next Bond actor should play the character as if he was a villain. Pierce was excellent in the Tailor of Panama and made me question why he didn't bring some aspects of Andy Osnard to his Bond. Yes, Osnard is irredeemable and you don't really root for him, but he's magnetic and interesting.

    I feel Bond should be someone we are uncomfortable with liking, but his swagger, humor and efficiency are just enough to mask his much darker qualities to make us root for him in the end. This is why Connery and Moore (IMHO) remain the benchmark performances of the series. Craig's Bond brought more depth to the character, but was seen as a more tragic and somber figure by audiences.

    This in turn would make the villain even more interesting. And I think the best villains of the last 30 years have been Silva and 006, because they are like Bond except darker. Bond should always be on the edge of the precipice of falling into evil but never does. Having a villain in B26 opposite a quite dangerous Bond that even the audience isn't quite too sure about will raise everybody's game tremendously. However to pull this off, the Bond actor would have to sell you that he's Bond from the first moment we see him on screen. No mean feat.
  • LeonardPineLeonardPine The Bar on the Beach
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    The French actor, Jalil Lespert (Infinity Pool/Beasts/Dreamchild) has an air of menace about him, as well as being a physically imposing presence.
  • VenutiusVenutius Yorkshire
    edited November 18 Posts: 3,416
    Obanno wrote: »
    The next Bond actor should play the character as if he was a villain.
    Or maybe that it's sometimes not immediately clear if he's a villain or the guy who's going to save you from the villain. Fleming conveyed it perfectly in TSWLM, where Viv Michel initially thinks that Bond's another villain - 'He stood there so quiet and controlled and somehow with the same quality of deadliness as the others' but 'Then he smiled and suddenly I thought I might be all right.' Craig conveyed that duality perfectly and, seemingly, quite effortlessly. It's a good quality for Bond to have, I think.
  • Posts: 409
    Gary Oldman would be perfect.
  • Posts: 16,265
    The French actor, Jalil Lespert (Infinity Pool/Beasts/Dreamchild) has an air of menace about him, as well as being a physically imposing presence.

    I've checked the name. I'm sure I've seen him in a film, but can't remember where. In any case, he's little known, he's got the right age and an interesting face. And, like you said, he's imposing, or at least that's the vibe I get from pictures. So yes.
  • Posts: 2,252
    I prefer a big name star not play the villain. They bring the baggage of their previous roles with them. I prefer an unknown or lesser known star for whom the role will be a star maker role. Did not know MM before CR, but so good.
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